maggsmaggs Posted October 1, 2004 Share Posted October 1, 2004 I know he can play RF, even though his main position is LF. Ozzie probably would be able to get him straightened out and his $3 million dollar for the last year of his contract. That would give Anderson a good amount of time in AA and AAA, so he can be ready for 2006. Plus, what would we have to give up for Guillen, Harris and somebody else. He is wanted in Anaheim and the Sox could give him a good home with all their latin players and coaches. Any thought? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3E8 Posted October 1, 2004 Share Posted October 1, 2004 At $3 million a year he's quite a steal. Why couldn't we sign him last offseason? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wise Master Buehrle Posted October 1, 2004 Share Posted October 1, 2004 At $3 million a year he's quite a steal. Why couldn't we sign him last offseason? Because we had Maggs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yossarian Posted October 1, 2004 Share Posted October 1, 2004 Didn't the D'Angelo Jiminez affair teach anybody anything? Jiminez is a choir boy compared to Guillen. Head case doesn't even begin to explain him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted October 1, 2004 Share Posted October 1, 2004 We have already had a nice long discussion on this. The Sox don't need him. He has been on six teams in six years for a reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted October 1, 2004 Share Posted October 1, 2004 Didn't the D'Angelo Jiminez affair teach anybody anything? Jiminez is a choir boy compared to Guillen. Head case doesn't even begin to explain him. D'Angelo Jimenez can't put a team on his back and carry them for a month either. Another thing...Jimenez doesn't play balls out like Guillen does. He played with a broken wrist last year, and has been a huge part in getting the Angels where they are now. It would be unwise, IMO, to not go after him. BTW...just curious, how do you know that Jimenez is so much better then Guillen? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3E8 Posted October 1, 2004 Share Posted October 1, 2004 Because we had Maggs. I would've just stuck him in center! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted October 1, 2004 Share Posted October 1, 2004 I would've just stuck him in center! What about rowand? You would have had him on the bench to start the year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowandrules83 Posted October 1, 2004 Share Posted October 1, 2004 Guillen never put a team on his back. Vladimir put the angels on his back. Why don't the sox get him and milton bradley along with carl everett to assemble the most mentally insane outfield ever? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted October 1, 2004 Share Posted October 1, 2004 Guillen never put a team on his back. Vladimir put the angels on his back. Why don't the sox get him and milton bradley along with carl everett to assemble the most mentally insane outfield ever? He along with vlad did when glaus, anderson, salmon, erstad, and eckstein were all out at once. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowandrules83 Posted October 2, 2004 Share Posted October 2, 2004 Vlad carried that team more than anybody. And if six teams, including the most recent with a good manager like scioscia can't straighten him out, what makes you think ozzie can? The sox shouldn't take a chance on a guy known throughout the league as a cancer just for some more run-production in an already crowded outfield. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted October 2, 2004 Share Posted October 2, 2004 Vlad carried that team more than anybody. And if six teams, including the most recent with a good manager like scioscia can't straighten him out, what makes you think ozzie can? The sox shouldn't take a chance on a guy known throughout the league as a cancer just for some more run-production in an already crowded outfield. We have a crowded outfield? Everett should be nothing more than a bench player and joe blow needs to be in the minors yet again. Then they can get rid of timo and escobar can take his place. I am not saying to give a s*** load for him but if there is a good offer we might as well chance it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowandrules83 Posted October 2, 2004 Share Posted October 2, 2004 yes, borchard and his down-syndrome lookin ass should be in the minors, but a $5 mil signing bonus makes it hard for the sox to send him down yet again. kenny doesnt want to look dumb...um, dumber than people think he is. Everett is only a year removed from an all-star game, and he's only 33. I'm not sayin he's gonna put up monster numbers, but he's a decent option. Perez has done a good job off the bench. And we're talking about kenny williams. He always gives up too much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farmteam Posted October 2, 2004 Share Posted October 2, 2004 down-syndrome lookin ass Well that was just cruel and uncalled for. And I don't think qwerty was saying Everett wasn't going to produce offensively (Although, I wouldn't trust him to do so). I think he was saying that, and this is the truth, Everett has no business being in an outfield. He's a liability out there. And you make it sound like Borchard was KW's 5 million dollar draft pick. He wasn't, he was Schueler's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3E8 Posted October 2, 2004 Share Posted October 2, 2004 What about rowand? You would have had him on the bench to start the year? Yeah. This was before we knew he was good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted October 2, 2004 Share Posted October 2, 2004 Yeah. This was before we knew he was good. Coming into the season he was a career .283 hitter and was doing really well the last month or so of last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KipWellsFan Posted October 2, 2004 Share Posted October 2, 2004 He's not the kind of guy that's going to come in and turn this franchise around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted October 2, 2004 Share Posted October 2, 2004 He's not the kind of guy that's going to come in and turn this franchise around. depends on which direction you are talking........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted October 2, 2004 Share Posted October 2, 2004 Vlad carried that team more than anybody. And if six teams, including the most recent with a good manager like scioscia can't straighten him out, what makes you think ozzie can? The sox shouldn't take a chance on a guy known throughout the league as a cancer just for some more run-production in an already crowded outfield. Once again, Cincinatti dealt him to Oakland because they were going nowhere and Oakland made them a good offer(one that included Aaron Harang and Joe Valentine). And Oakland did not resign him due to financial reasons. I don't know what happened the other times...whether he was just crappy, or there was an attitude problem or both...but he was not gotten rid of by Cincinatti and Oakland because he's a piece of s***. Remember, this is a guy that played with a broken wrist in Oakland down the stretch last year, so you can't say he's not a team player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted October 2, 2004 Share Posted October 2, 2004 Yeah. This was before we knew he was good. Correction. That was before you knew he was good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted October 2, 2004 Share Posted October 2, 2004 Once again, Cincinatti dealt him to Oakland because they were going nowhere and Oakland made them a good offer(one that included Aaron Harang and Joe Valentine). And Oakland did not resign him due to financial reasons. I don't know what happened the other times...whether he was just crappy, or there was an attitude problem or both...but he was not gotten rid of by Cincinatti and Oakland because he's a piece of s***. Remember, this is a guy that played with a broken wrist in Oakland down the stretch last year, so you can't say he's not a team player. You don't think Oakland could have afforded his $2.2 million salary this year? Sorry, that doesn't fly. You may be able to explain why a guy got traded once or twice, but with six teams in six years there is something wrong. Like I said before...... things that go on inside a locker room DO affect how a team performs. There are certain guys you want to stay away from and ignore the numbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted October 2, 2004 Share Posted October 2, 2004 Here is a scouting report from the Stats. Inc. database.... Still think this is the kind of player you want??? Scouting Report 2003 Season Free-swinging Jose Guillen, who enjoyed a banner 2003, was Billy Beane's surprise stretch-run acquisition. Acquired at the trade deadline to spark a struggling outfield, Guillen's numbers dropped with his arrival in Oakland. After posting an on-base-plus-slugging of 1.014 with the Reds, his mark was .770 in 45 games with Oakland. A broken hamate bone in his left hand, with which Guillen played during the playoffs, may have hurt his production. Hitting, Baserunning & Defense Maybe it was because Oakland batters took a cumulative hit to their on-base percentage in 2003 that the temporary use of Guillen was acceptable. Though Guillen did clear the 30-homer mark last year, he was the same free swinger he had always been. He continues to be a butcher in the field, and his 12 errors last season suggest that isn't going to change. His terrific arm-he collected nine assists last year-sometimes offsets his bad glove. Guillen has decent speed but is not much of a basestealer. 2004 Outlook Guillen's tenure in Oakland was destined to be brief, even if he had had good numbers. He probably will bag a nice deal somewhere after his 30-homer 2003, but it is unlikely he will deliver a big return on a long-term contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 2, 2004 Share Posted October 2, 2004 Correction. That was before you knew he was good. Thanks YAS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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