qwerty Posted October 4, 2004 Share Posted October 4, 2004 Even though it is not technically the off-season i thought we could start one big thread on all the off-season trades, pick-ups, trade ideas, declined options, etc. I feel that this is the right place for it to go since alot more people will see it here than anywhere else. If there is anyway this can be pinned it would be appreciated. Anyways i will start it off with this. From rotoworld. Joe Randa - 3B - Royals Royals declined third baseman Joe Randa's $3.25 million option for 2005. Randa receives a $500,000 buyout. His performance this year was about in line with his career averages, so he should be able to get close to $3 million from some team in 2005. The Royals could try to re-sign him for $2 million or so. Oct. 3 - 8:09 pm et Juan Gonzalez - OF - Royals Royals declined outfielder Juan Gonzalez's $7 million option for 2005. Come on, Allard. Couldn't you have until Tuesday or Wednesday for this stuff? It's been a long day for us. Declining Gonzalez's option was the no-brainer of the Royals offseason. Some team will sign him to play regularly in 2005, but he's not going to make much money. He'd be a better investment as a DH than as a right fielder, and the team that gambles on him better make certain it has a solid backup ready to step in. Oct. 3 - 8:13 pm et Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSteve Posted October 4, 2004 Share Posted October 4, 2004 No and no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 4, 2004 Share Posted October 4, 2004 :puke & :fyou respectively Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greasywheels121 Posted October 4, 2004 Share Posted October 4, 2004 Meh on Joe Randa...and f*** NO on Juan Gone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngelasDaddy0427 Posted October 4, 2004 Share Posted October 4, 2004 Juan Gonzalez is the equivilent of flushing your money down the toliet. However I would be willing to sign him to a minor league contract like Marvin Benard. He shouldn't get any more then the league mininum though. Joe Randa is definately a no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted October 4, 2004 Author Share Posted October 4, 2004 I think this came off the wrong way. I thought we could have a thread that had all trades, pick-ups, and declined options into one thread so that it would be easier for every one to see. I was not saying for us to pick either of these guys at all Maybe this thread can be used later in the year when the hot stove officially begins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDsDirtySox Posted October 4, 2004 Share Posted October 4, 2004 A great site for getting a lot of news is www.onestopbaseball.com I love to read other teams local newspapers and see what other teams are wanting to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSOX45 Posted October 5, 2004 Share Posted October 5, 2004 In a meeting with Omar Vizquel, the Indians made it clear they wouldn't be picking up the shortstop's option for 2005. Vizquel and his agent met with GM Mark Shapiro for an hour on Monday to discuss whether the 37-year-old will be with Cleveland next year. "I wouldn't characterize it as optimistic," agent Adam Katz said. "But the door isn't shut. Omar hasn't made it any secret that he would like to be back." Vizquel hopes to have the situation resolved soon. -Rotoworld. Omar Vizquel? HELL YES. CWSOX45 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesox61382 Posted October 5, 2004 Share Posted October 5, 2004 I am not big on Vizquel. The guy is going to be 38 next year, so the question is, how many solid years does he have left? His defense has already began to slide, he hasn't hit above .275 in 3 of the last 4 years, and he hasn't stolen 20+ bases in 4 seasons. If you want to go after a middle infielder like Vizquel, than I would much rather go after Hairston from Baltimore. He is a similar player only a decade younger and probably cheaper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juddling Posted October 5, 2004 Share Posted October 5, 2004 Though i do think (or is it hope and pray....) that Borchard will figure it out and be a decent replacement for Maggs next year, if that doesn't work out i would like to see the Sox go for Jeff DaVannon from the Angels. In their outfield he's the odd man out but in stretches when he's played he's done quite well. got pretty good power and can steal some bases or two. i think he would be a well-known player by now if he was a starter. juddling :fthecubs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted October 5, 2004 Share Posted October 5, 2004 I am not big on Vizquel. The guy is going to be 38 next year, so the question is, how many solid years does he have left? His defense has already began to slide, he hasn't hit above .275 in 3 of the last 4 years, and he hasn't stolen 20+ bases in 4 seasons. If you want to go after a middle infielder like Vizquel, than I would much rather go after Hairston from Baltimore. He is a similar player only a decade younger and probably cheaper. He's good to go for 2 years. He is in great shape. His defense is still stellar. He had a shoulder problem early this season which accounted for some difficulties. Once the shoulder problem healed, I don't think many would criticize his defense at all. He would be a lefty, two-hole hitter that could control the bat and solidify the infield defense. I think he would be a nice pickup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted October 5, 2004 Author Share Posted October 5, 2004 He's good to go for 2 years. He is in great shape. His defense is still stellar. He had a shoulder problem early this season which accounted for some difficulties. Once the shoulder problem healed, I don't think many would criticize his defense at all. He would be a lefty, two-hole hitter that could control the bat and solidify the infield defense. I think he would be a nice pickup. Would you start willie at second uribe at third and vizquel at short. Or uribe at second crede at third and vizquel at short. Lastly would you just platoon willie and uribe while crede is at third a vizquel at short? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted October 5, 2004 Share Posted October 5, 2004 Would you start willie at second uribe at third and vizquel at short. Or uribe at second crede at third and vizquel at short. Lastly would you just platoon willie and uribe while crede is at third a vizquel at short? Personally, I would start Harris, Vizquel and Crede and have Uribe play 4-5 times per week amongst all three positions. I am not convinced that is the correct thing to do, just my gut feeling. I am not yet convinced Uribe would hold up well over a full season, especially playing SS. I am willing to be proven wrong on that one, however. I don't think the Sox are sold on Willie though, so my best guess is he is either gone or is kept as a 5th infielder/extra outfielder. That is just a gut feeling as well. I also think Omar would be a very stabilizing influence on guys like Harris, Uribe and Crede. That's a lot of young guys in the infield. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted October 5, 2004 Author Share Posted October 5, 2004 Personally, I would start Harris, Vizquel and Crede and have Uribe play 4-5 times per week amongst all three positions. I am not convinced that is the correct thing to do, just my gut feeling. I am not yet convinced Uribe would hold up well over a full season, especially playing SS. I am willing to be proven wrong on that one, however. I don't think the Sox are sold on Willie though, so my best guess is he is either gone or is kept as a 5th infielder/extra outfielder. That is just a gut feeling as well. I also think Omar would be a very stabilizing influence on guys like Harris, Uribe and Crede. That's a lot of young guys in the infield. That makes alot of sense, probally the way it should happen if we do happen to get vizquel. Then we would have a very solid lead-off and 2 hole hitter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerhead johnson Posted October 5, 2004 Share Posted October 5, 2004 Jeff DaVannon can steal some bases or two. juddling I don't know if I understand what you're trying to say here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted October 5, 2004 Author Share Posted October 5, 2004 Though i do think (or is it hope and pray....) that Borchard will figure it out and be a decent replacement for Maggs next year, if that doesn't work out i would like to see the Sox go for Jeff DaVannon from the Angels. In their outfield he's the odd man out but in stretches when he's played he's done quite well. got pretty good power and can steal some bases or two. i think he would be a well-known player by now if he was a starter. juddling :fthecubs His high for at-bats in a season 330 and he is nearly 31. You want him to be the replacement for maggs? Why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerhead johnson Posted October 5, 2004 Share Posted October 5, 2004 His high for at-bats in a season 330 and he is nearly 31. You want him to be the replacement for maggs? Why? Devanon actually appears to be a pretty good idea considering that he would come relatively cheap. 2003: .282 AVG, .360 OBP 2004: .277 AVG, .372 OBP Plus, he's an, uhh...grinder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted October 5, 2004 Share Posted October 5, 2004 Devanon actually appears to be a pretty good idea considering that he would come relatively cheap. 2003: .282 AVG, .360 OPS 2004: .277 AVG, .372 OPS Plus, he's an, uhh...grinder. Yes, as long as OPS means OBP Actually, Davanon is exactly the type of guy we need. Solid, but not flashy production. He's Gload-like. He's a huge upgrade over Timo Perez should you ever have to rely on him for production, he'd likely step up and be a solid player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerhead johnson Posted October 5, 2004 Share Posted October 5, 2004 Yes, as long as OPS means OBP Oh s***, my fault. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted October 5, 2004 Share Posted October 5, 2004 Yes, as long as OPS means OBP Actually, Davanon is exactly the type of guy we need. Solid, but not flashy production. He's Gload-like. He's a huge upgrade over Timo Perez should you ever have to rely on him for production, he'd likely step up and be a solid player. If Paul Konerko is dealt to the Angels, Davanon and Scott Shields should be part of a package no doubt. They're pretty loaded with prospects as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted October 5, 2004 Share Posted October 5, 2004 Personally, I would start Harris, Vizquel and Crede and have Uribe play 4-5 times per week amongst all three positions. I am not convinced that is the correct thing to do, just my gut feeling. I am not yet convinced Uribe would hold up well over a full season, especially playing SS. I am willing to be proven wrong on that one, however. I don't think the Sox are sold on Willie though, so my best guess is he is either gone or is kept as a 5th infielder/extra outfielder. That is just a gut feeling as well. I also think Omar would be a very stabilizing influence on guys like Harris, Uribe and Crede. That's a lot of young guys in the infield. Uribe's season leads me to agree with you Rex. He's seemed to get tired during the middle of the year. They need enough infield depth to keep him rested and fresh throughout the season if he's going to be a starter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted October 5, 2004 Author Share Posted October 5, 2004 Won't davanon be filling in for guillen next year since it is likely he will be dealt? Also thought this pretty weird. This year against he has hit .136 against lefties. Last year he hit .342 against lefties last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted October 5, 2004 Author Share Posted October 5, 2004 If Paul Konerko is dealt to the Angels, Davanon and Scott Shields should be part of a package no doubt. They're pretty loaded with prospects as well. I find it hard to beleive they would deal shields for a player that only has one year on his contract. They are also not exactly loaded with good starters which he will be again next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted October 5, 2004 Share Posted October 5, 2004 Okay, I am too lazy to do the damned research....... someone want to clue me in on why we would Scott Shields? I'll admit, I know very little, if anything about him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted October 5, 2004 Author Share Posted October 5, 2004 Okay, I am too lazy to do the damned research....... someone want to clue me in on why we would Scott Shields? I'll admit, I know very little, if anything about him. While he is 29 and very earlier on in his major league career he seems to be damn good. Here are his career stats.. Innings pitched-309.2 Hits against-273 Home runs allowed-22 k/9- 7.38 17-11 in his career. .236 baa. Whip-1.22 Era-2.85. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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