southsider2k5 Posted October 4, 2004 Share Posted October 4, 2004 The A's Aaron Rowand-breakthrough season. Career numbers, and great defensive improvements. Paul Konerko- Should be AL comeback player of the year. Career numbers in HRs and RBIs Ross Gload- Did an excellent job off the bench, and as a starter in Sept. Made the most of his first real chance. Shingo Takatsu-Slowed a little in the 2nd half, but pitched more innings than he ever has before. Took the closers job from Koch and never looked back Juan Uribe- Really huge April and May got him going, but he played stellar defense in 3 different positions, posting many career highs. Mark Buehrle-2.77 road era saids it all. Won 16 games and a career high in Ks. In decline my ass... Jaime Burke-Just like Gload, did an excellent job in the few chances he got. Surprisingly clutch hitter. Carlos Lee- Good follow up to his 2003 breakout season. Had a career high 28 game hitting streak The B's Freddy Garcia- Incredible in day games, average at night. Great innings eater. Jon Adkins- Was excellent up until September when he ran out of gas. Should be an important guy out of the 2k5 pen. The C's Willie Harris- Got off to a fast start and raised everyone's hopes, but slumped down the stretch. Played an incredible 2B, but seemed tentative to use his #1 weapon on the basepaths. Not bad for his first full season Cliff Pollitte-Had some incredible outings, and some really bad ones. All in all, was a solid middle relief guy. Neal Cotts- Was the biggest victim of the Mike Jackson era on the southside. Had the lowest inhertied runners scoring % against for a long time, and held hitters to a very low baa against. Like Jon Adkins, Neal seemed to tire in September. Jose Valentin- career high 30 HRs matched up against a career low batting average. They moved Jose to hitting just lefthanded for the first time in his career, but still matched him up against tough lefties as they had no one to replace him. Had his share of huge hits and homers. Ben Davis- Huge start, big drop off. It will be interesting to see which Ben Davis shows up next year. Damaso Marte- For any other reliver his numbers would have been at least B material, but when placed against his prior years, this year was a bit of a disappointment. Gave up some huge hits this year. Scott Schoenweis-Giving the benefit of the doubt, he was great in April and May, and then the wheels came off and he never recovered. The D's Joe Crede-another streaky rough season. His D was good, his swing was long. Seems to be plateaued. Carl Everett- Fat and injured. Not a good combo for $4 million and 5 prospects. Timo Perez- .246 average, lazy in the OF, but did get some clutch hits-which is the only thing that didn't make him a total washout. Sandy Alomar- Hurt most of the year, and didn't get much out of the pitchers this year. Joe Borchard- As close to an F as you can get. But did start to show signs of life. Plus you gotta love the work ethic and determination. Jose Contreras- Bullheaded and full of potential. Teased with incredible outtings and horrible ones. Needs to become more consistant. Jon Garland- Seasons biggest disappointment. Has #2 starter stuff, and bush league toughness. F's Robbie Alomar-Nothing in the tank and injured. Mike Jackson-Led the league in inherited runners allowed to score, and not standing up for your teammates. rookie incompletes Jeff Bajanaru Wilson Valdez Arnie Munoz Jason Grilli Felix Diaz Kelly Dransfeldt Josh Stewart Injury incompletes Magglio Ordonez Frank Thomas Danny Wright Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchetman Posted October 4, 2004 Share Posted October 4, 2004 that's pretty good, but i'd knock uribe, adkins, and garcia down a grade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngelasDaddy0427 Posted October 4, 2004 Share Posted October 4, 2004 (edited) I agree with all of those except Jon Garland is a C. He might not of had an 18 win season but he was over .500 for the first time in his career. Plus he's only 24. Edited October 4, 2004 by southsider2k4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sox1422 Posted October 4, 2004 Share Posted October 4, 2004 I think you are being way too kind to Valentin. He sucks. I can give a f*** about his 30 HR's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valponick Posted October 4, 2004 Share Posted October 4, 2004 I think you are being way too kind to Valentin. He sucks. I can give a f*** about his 30 HR's. Agreed. Also you are way off with Timo, his clutch hits and RBI/AB ration off the bench alone get him out of the D category. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedoctor Posted October 4, 2004 Share Posted October 4, 2004 great line about everett. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LosMediasBlancas Posted October 4, 2004 Share Posted October 4, 2004 I think you are being way too kind to Valentin. He sucks. I can give a f*** about his 30 HR's. Valentin-D for done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisoxfan14 Posted October 4, 2004 Share Posted October 4, 2004 Willie Harris should get a A or at least a B! not a C Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted October 4, 2004 Share Posted October 4, 2004 Willie Harris should get a A or at least a B! not a C I like most of your rankings but I think I'd move uribe down to a b and move timo up to atleast a c. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted October 4, 2004 Share Posted October 4, 2004 Willie Harris should get a A or at least a B! not a C The only A that should be associated with Willie Harris it the level he would be a star at in the minor leagues. Willie's inability to be the type of player that the Sox needed this year is one of the biggest reasons that the Sox tanked when they did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisoxfan14 Posted October 4, 2004 Share Posted October 4, 2004 The only A that should be associated with Willie Harris it the level he would be a star at in the minor leagues. Willie's inability to be the type of player that the Sox needed this year is one of the biggest reasons that the Sox tanked when they did. That is soo mean! You are mean! Willie Harris is awesome! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted October 4, 2004 Share Posted October 4, 2004 The only A that should be associated with Willie Harris it the level he would be a star at in the minor leagues. Willie's inability to be the type of player that the Sox needed this year is one of the biggest reasons that the Sox tanked when they did. Problem is we should have not had to count on willie harris to be our starting second baseman that was leading off. That is kw's fault, i mean come on we couldn't sign belliard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted October 4, 2004 Share Posted October 4, 2004 Problem is we should have not had to count on willie harris to be our starting second baseman that was leading off. That is kw's fault, i mean come on we couldn't sign belliard. You are joking about Belliard, right??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted October 4, 2004 Share Posted October 4, 2004 You are joking about Belliard, right??? We knew what we would get from him more so than willie. For some reason willie's sub .300 obp to start the year did not exite me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Showtime Posted October 4, 2004 Share Posted October 4, 2004 I guess I'm crazy for liking Timo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danman31 Posted October 4, 2004 Share Posted October 4, 2004 Garland and Contreras are Cs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted October 4, 2004 Share Posted October 4, 2004 Garland and Contreras are Cs. Contreras's 6.20 since being here does not justify a c imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted October 4, 2004 Share Posted October 4, 2004 We knew what we would get from him more so than willie. For some reason willie's sub .300 obp to start the year did not exite me. Let's go back to last January. What did you think you would get out of Belliard at that point??? In 2003, he hit .277 with 31 doubles, 8 home runs and 50 RBI in 116 games. He walked 49 times in 447 AB. Note this was in Colorado. He hit .251 with a .321 OBP outside of Coors Field. In 2002, he hit a whopping .211 with a .257 OBP, 3 HR and 26 RBI 104 games for Milwaukee. So based on that and his preveiously average production, what did YOU expect from Ron Belliard before this season?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danman31 Posted October 4, 2004 Share Posted October 4, 2004 Contreras's 6.20 since being here does not justify a c imo. He showed enough flashes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted October 4, 2004 Share Posted October 4, 2004 Let's go back to last January. What did you think you would get out of Belliard at that point??? In 2003, he hit .277 with 31 doubles, 8 home runs and 50 RBI in 116 games. He walked 49 times in 447 AB. Note this was in Colorado. He hit .251 with a .321 OBP outside of Coors Field. In 2002, he hit a whopping .211 with a .257 OBP, 3 HR and 26 RBI 104 games for Milwaukee. So based on that and his preveiously average production, what did YOU expect from Ron Belliard before this season?? My main thing is belliard while not great was more proven than willie. I would have expected at least a .270-.275 average for the sole fact that he would be able to feast on alot of s***ty pitching. Being the tigers, royals, indians and even the sox. To start the year i would have batted him 8th or 9th. There is no way in hell i would have wanted him to bat lead-off or even second until he proved that he was capable of that task. Willie imo should be hitting ninth next year because he is yet to learn how to bunt let alone bunt for a hit. Also he always looks scared to steal a base and has pretty s***t jumps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted October 4, 2004 Share Posted October 4, 2004 Great grades. I agree with most and don't violently disagree with any. My amendments: Uribe B, not an A. Shingo B-plus, not an A. Burke B, not an A. I would agree C for Willie, maybe Cplus. I'd agree with C on Valentin. 29 homers isn't half bad. Contreras a C or maybe even C-plus. He wasn't D worthy I don't think. Garland I'd give a C, not D. Ozzie- B. Kenny W - D (when we were good early, we still were missing 5th starter and his trade of Reed and Olivo was ill advised when he coulda signed Freddie in offseason anyway because of the nice offer combined with Ozzie/Fred relationship. Bonehead trade of century. Reinsdork - Dminus. Sox MVP: Konerko. Flop of year: Crede. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted October 4, 2004 Share Posted October 4, 2004 My main thing is belliard while not great was more proven than willie. I would have expected at least a .270-.275 average for the sole fact that he would be able to feast on alot of s***ty pitching. Being the tigers, royals, indians and even the sox. To start the year i would have batted him 8th or 9th. There is no way in hell i would have wanted him to bat lead-off or even second until he proved that he was capable of that task. Willie imo should be hitting ninth next year because he is yet to learn how to bunt let alone bunt for a hit. Also he always looks scared to steal a base and has pretty s***t jumps. The you are the only one on the plante that thought Belliard would hit as well outside of Coors as he did for the Rockies. Let's not confuse your disdain with Willie or the Sox lack of a leadoff hitter with your being Nostradamus. Belliard was NOT a reasonable thought back in the offseason. He had done NOTHING to make anyone think he would do what he did this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted October 4, 2004 Share Posted October 4, 2004 and his trade of Reed and Olivo was ill advised when he coulda signed Freddie in offseason anyway because of the nice offer combined with Ozzie/Fred relationship. Bonehead trade of century. Absolutely ridiculous. :headshake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted October 5, 2004 Share Posted October 5, 2004 The you are the only one on the plante that thought Belliard would hit as well outside of Coors as he did for the Rockies. Let's not confuse your disdain with Willie or the Sox lack of a leadoff hitter with your being Nostradamus. Belliard was NOT a reasonable thought back in the offseason. He had done NOTHING to make anyone think he would do what he did this year. Didn't he have three DECENT years with the brewers? I think he did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerhead johnson Posted October 5, 2004 Share Posted October 5, 2004 The you are the only one on the plante that thought Belliard would hit as well outside of Coors as he did for the Rockies. Let's not confuse your disdain with Willie or the Sox lack of a leadoff hitter with your being Nostradamus. Belliard was NOT a reasonable thought back in the offseason. He had done NOTHING to make anyone think he would do what he did this year. Actually, his career batting average against left-handed pitching coming into this year was pretty damn good....he's easily one of the best hitters in the entire league against left-handed pitching. What do the Indians and Royals have? Numerous left-handed starters. Hell, I had him on my fantasy team before the season started. Well, mostly because there weren't enough second basemen to go around. Point is, plenty of people could have seen this coming if you were to really analyze his splits. I'd be interested to find out how well he has done against the Royals left-handed pitching this year....I'll bet that he won at least three or four of those games by himself. Qwerty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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