LowerCaseRepublican Posted March 24, 2003 Share Posted March 24, 2003 http://www.awolbush.com/ This guy used Freedom of Information Act requests to get a lot of documents used by the Boston Globe to break the story that Bush went AWOL in the military. I know I have brought this up before, but I just wanted to share this with you all...I am so incredibly outraged at this especially when this man is sending off people to fight and possibly die in Iraq and this guy gets to sleep in the Lincoln Bedroom comfortable with himself that he can somehow unapologetically send men off to die, yet run away like a frightened schoolgirl when it was his turn to go serve. Makes me sick to my goddamned stomach. http://www.awolbush.com/whoserved.html that is a list of who served http://www.nhgazette.com/chickenhawks.html that is a list of all the pro-war chickenhawks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxplosion Posted March 24, 2003 Share Posted March 24, 2003 What Bush did is rather cowardly and a bit hypocritical now that hes sending men off to fight and die which he himself couldnt do but to call everyone whos never served a chickenhawk is a bit extreme. And could you please explain why they called the preferred activity of one of the last "chickenhawks" terrorism? Not that I question you, Im just curious... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxplosion Posted March 24, 2003 Share Posted March 24, 2003 John McCain is one politician who served (he was a Vietnam POW) who I dont believe was mentioned. I kinda wish this guy was elected as president. Not that I dislike Bush, I just think a president with combat experience would have avoided this whole conflict. Hed know war is hell and hed try a bit harder than Bush to avoid it. But dont worry apu, Im gonna join the Navy and then Im gonna run for president. Then youll have a vet to vote for! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwsox Posted March 24, 2003 Share Posted March 24, 2003 yet run away like a frightened schoolgirl when it was his turn to go serve. Any schoolgirl would have more courage. HSC was a schoolgirl and she would run from nothing. Please do not insult schollgirls by comaprting them to G W Bush. And as I recall it, most Americans voted for a veteran for president in 2000 - right now I am trying to remember what was Cheney's excuse - was his the old football trick new, or was his the few pounds overweight? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LowerCaseRepublican Posted March 24, 2003 Author Share Posted March 24, 2003 What Bush did is rather cowardly and a bit hypocritical now that hes sending men off to fight and die which he himself couldnt do but to call everyone whos never served a chickenhawk is a bit extreme. And could you please explain why they called the preferred activity of one of the last "chickenhawks" terrorism? Not that I question you, Im just curious... "Chickenhawk" is a special term reserved for those that advocate the military being used to solve problems yet did not serve their country when they had the opportunity, it's not condemning every person who just didn't serve. It just condemns those that didn't serve that can somehow find it in themselves to advocate others going off to die. In 1952 Joseph McCarthy appointed Roy Cohn as the chief counsel to the Government Committee on Operations of the Senate. Roy's terrorism was helping with the McCarthy "Red Scare" and "White terror" of the 1950's. (White terror comes from names of the Red and White Armies during the 1917 Soviet Revolution....the Reds = Communists and the Whites = extreme anti-Communists) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxplosion Posted March 24, 2003 Share Posted March 24, 2003 Thanks for that apu. Also, I do know what the reds and whites were. I am in an AP Euro History class. The Reds had Moscow and a well-trained army, the whites were very different from eachother and they had little training, therefore they were quickly destroyed by the red army under Lenin and Trotsky... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baggio202 Posted March 24, 2003 Share Posted March 24, 2003 yet run away like a frightened schoolgirl when it was his turn to go serve. Any schoolgirl would have more courage. HSC was a schoolgirl and she would run from nothing. Please do not insult schollgirls by comaprting them to G W Bush. And as I recall it, most Americans voted for a veteran for president in 2000 - right now I am trying to remember what was Cheney's excuse - was his the old football trick new, or was his the few pounds overweight? wouldnt bill clinton be considered a chickenhawk too under apu's definition??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LowerCaseRepublican Posted March 24, 2003 Author Share Posted March 24, 2003 right now I am trying to remember what was Cheney's excuse - was his the old football trick new, or was his the few pounds overweight? He had other obligations. I am not 100% sure what they entailed...but I am pretty sure that they were 100% bulls***. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerbaho-WG Posted March 24, 2003 Share Posted March 24, 2003 No, because Clinton conscientiously objected to the war in 'Nam. There is a pretty coarse line between having an opinion not supporting the war, and flat out not showing up for your National Guard duty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LowerCaseRepublican Posted March 24, 2003 Author Share Posted March 24, 2003 yet run away like a frightened schoolgirl when it was his turn to go serve. Any schoolgirl would have more courage. HSC was a schoolgirl and she would run from nothing. Please do not insult schollgirls by comaprting them to G W Bush. And as I recall it, most Americans voted for a veteran for president in 2000 - right now I am trying to remember what was Cheney's excuse - was his the old football trick new, or was his the few pounds overweight? wouldnt bill clinton be considered a chickenhawk too under apu's definition??? I never said that I liked Clinton. :fyou Bill Clinton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwsox Posted March 24, 2003 Share Posted March 24, 2003 In my opinion, no, based on what the definitions were at the time of Vietnam by those I knew, all of us very draftable. Clinton was against the war and was not in favor of sending others. Bush was in favor of the war and got VIP treatment into the Guard where he was awol. In the group of guys that I hung out, it made a major difference whether one was for the war or not. Many who were not for the war went into the military. No one had any problems with those who opposed the war and do not serve. Those who were for it, but had excuses not to go, those were the ones that the scorn was for. Moral consistecny was the key. When I walk along the Wall, my anger is for those who supported war butn had every excuse not to go. My grief is for those who died in a war that some people supported who refused to go, not for those who opposed the war and did not go. As far as the question about my son, I was just at the CNN site per your tip, and was then at the Marine site. Until he is home safe I am not saying where he is because I am not supposed to. Also, like talking about a no hitter until it happens - hell, it is my supersitition but right now it keeps me going. One of those things. So ironic to be going through what my grandmother did - her poem was printed in the Tribune in 1945 and spoke of starring at maps sitting in the kitchen and filling the ashtrays and trying to imagine safety. And when I first read her poem - who knew that someday the only difference was that I'd be staring at a computer screen... I deeply appreciate your concern and prayers. My heart skips every time new casualty news is given - it hit home when one of the first to die was a friend of a friend. I deeply appreciate your friendship on this. No matter what happens to my kid it is dwarfed by the fact that multitudes of parents will lose their children on all sides. I just keep picturig holding him in my arms when he was 2 and frightened by thunder and I would sing to him sitting in the rocking chair and tell him that I would keep him safe always. He grew up as a Tigers fan and a Michigan State fan to irk me. However he is at least an Eminem fan like his old man and his son, my beloved grandson who I hold now and tell him I will keep him safe - and he is 8 and very aware of the news. And I am aware what a bulls*** promise it is that I can keep him safe either. Sorry to be emotional. God damn it I hate war. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LowerCaseRepublican Posted March 24, 2003 Author Share Posted March 24, 2003 Don't worry about being emotional, CW. f***ing Bush, Cheney, Ashcroft, Rumsfeld, Perle, Negraponte, Wolfowitz....may they all roast in the pits of Hell for this f***ing bulls***, those little rat bastards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KipWellsFan Posted March 24, 2003 Share Posted March 24, 2003 Hey sideshowapu whats your opinion on Colin Powell. Most people seem to like this guy and some say he is like a dove compared to the rest of Bush's adminstration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baggio202 Posted March 24, 2003 Share Posted March 24, 2003 cwsox..your son , like sat46 is in my nightly prayers.. i know we are on different sides about wether this is necessary but its my prayer this would come to an end tonight with no more loss of life...hopefully one of these days soon nthat prayer is answered Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LowerCaseRepublican Posted March 24, 2003 Author Share Posted March 24, 2003 Hey sideshowapu whats your opinion on Colin Powell. Most people seem to like this guy and some say he is like a dove compared to the rest of Bush's adminstration. As a young man, Powell helped to cover up the Mi Lai massacre. That made him a bit iffy in my book. Then after his UN speech, I want to know how he could actually speak the lies (since most of it was plagiarized information from 1991 that they were trying to make look current). However, I do like how he and Condie Rice didn't support Lott and how they both also got on Dubya's case about affirmative action. He was pretty much against the war in Iraq for a while, then caved and did a 180. Weak sauce. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baggio202 Posted March 24, 2003 Share Posted March 24, 2003 Hey sideshowapu whats your opinion on Colin Powell. Most people seem to like this guy and some say he is like a dove compared to the rest of Bush's adminstration. As a young man, Powell helped to cover up the Mi Lai massacre. That made him a bit iffy in my book. Then after his UN speech, I want to know how he could actually speak the lies (since most of it was plagiarized information from 1991 that they were trying to make look current). However, I do like how he and Condie Rice didn't support Lott and how they both also got on Dubya's case about affirmative action. He was pretty much against the war in Iraq for a while, then caved and did a 180. Weak sauce. there are two articles in the new york from last week on colin powell...unfortunately the bastards at the times make you pay a buck 15 to read the archives...but both of these talk about powell's initial belief that war was wrong in sept to believing strongly that it was the only way to remove saddam his reason..his dealing with the french and coming to the conclusion they were basically never going to let the security counsel do anything to really remove saddam from power...powell also said de villapean stabbed him in the back...two good articles if you want to pay to read them...one on the 16th and 17th Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LowerCaseRepublican Posted March 24, 2003 Author Share Posted March 24, 2003 there are two articles in the new york from last week on colin powell...unfortunately the bastards at the times make you pay a buck 15 to read the archives...but both of these talk about powell's initial belief that war was wrong in sept to believing strongly that it was the only way to remove saddam his reason..his dealing with the french and coming to the conclusion they were basically never going to let the security counsel do anything to really remove saddam from power...powell also said de villapean stabbed him in the back...two good articles if you want to pay to read them...one on the 16th and 17th I lost pretty much all respect for Powell after his blatant lie of a speech in the UN. I am just about as angry that Bill Clinton's draft dodging got over 13,641 news stories, yet Bush going AWOL has only received the attention of 49 stories. "I am angry that so many of the sons of the powerful and well-placed... managed to wangle slots in Reserve and National Guard units...Of the many tragedies of Vietnam, this raw class discrimination strikes me as the most damaging to the ideal that all Americans are created equal and owe equal allegiance to their country." (Colin Powell’s autobiography, My American Journey, p. 148) Um...Colin...have you talked to your boss about this anger? What about guys that get those slots, and then don't even show up for duty? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LowerCaseRepublican Posted March 24, 2003 Author Share Posted March 24, 2003 I also wonder if George would be willing to tell us which one of these guys went to 'Nam in his place after his ass went AWOL. http://www.archives.gov/research_room/rese...tx_by_town.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baggio202 Posted March 24, 2003 Share Posted March 24, 2003 I also wonder if George would be willing to tell us which one of these guys went to 'Nam in his place after his ass went AWOL. http://www.archives.gov/research_room/rese...tx_by_town.html that was my biggest problem with the anit war protestors in the 60's..now iwas just little kid so i can only look at it retrospectively...but it seemed to me alot of white guys took off for canada while a lot minorities went in their place... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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