Butter Parque Posted October 10, 2004 Share Posted October 10, 2004 I'm pretty sure John Olerud is availible as a free agent. With Paul Konerko all but traded and Ross Gload probably takeing over, what are the chances the Sox try to bring in Olerud as insurance in case Gload falters in a starting role. Olerud's price might be higher now that he has been good with NY, but I don't think the Yankees will resign him. They have Giambi, and Tony Clark will be there at a cheaper price. The other guy I though of for insurance for Gload was Eli Marrero, I know he is a free agent and could be good as a situational player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted October 10, 2004 Share Posted October 10, 2004 With Paul Konerko all but traded and Ross Gload probably takeing over, Where are you getting this from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butter Parque Posted October 10, 2004 Author Share Posted October 10, 2004 Think aboutm it, we know Lee or konerko is going to be traded, but when it comes down to it, Konerko right now, has more value, plus he has a quality player behind him to take over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkokieSox Posted October 10, 2004 Share Posted October 10, 2004 Think aboutm it, we know Lee or konerko is going to be traded, but when it comes down to it, Konerko right now, has more value, plus he has a quality player behind him to take over. Right now it appears Lee is the one who is going to be traded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butter Parque Posted October 10, 2004 Author Share Posted October 10, 2004 They say he is the front-runner to be traded right now, but I just can't see them getting rid of the younger of the 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted October 10, 2004 Share Posted October 10, 2004 Think aboutm it, we know Lee or konerko is going to be traded, but when it comes down to it, Konerko right now, has more value, plus he has a quality player behind him to take over. No, we don't know that either Lee or Konerko will be traded. That's just your speculation. So basically, it was just your value judgement of Konerko that led you to make the statement that he's "all but traded"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkokieSox Posted October 10, 2004 Share Posted October 10, 2004 They say he is the front-runner to be traded right now, but I just can't see them getting rid of the younger of the 2 There is more to the scenerio than age. PK isn't old by MLB standards anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted October 10, 2004 Share Posted October 10, 2004 See the other thread, Lee and Konerko were both born in 1976. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted October 10, 2004 Share Posted October 10, 2004 I just can't see them getting rid of the younger of the 2 By three months. Whoop dee f***ing doo. :rolly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butter Parque Posted October 10, 2004 Author Share Posted October 10, 2004 but they were a couple of months apart Anyway, If you don't think that either Lee of Konerko will be traded your crazy, if you ask members of Soxtalk, every 9 out of 10 will say yes that one of them will eb traded. I believe it will be Konerko. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted October 10, 2004 Share Posted October 10, 2004 but they were a couple of months apart Anyway, If you don't think that either Lee of Konerko will be traded your crazy, if you ask members of Soxtalk, every 9 out of 10 will say yes that one of them will eb traded. I believe it will be Konerko. You mean all the General Managers who are employed by SoxTalk?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1549 Posted October 10, 2004 Share Posted October 10, 2004 You mean all the General Managers who are employed by SoxTalk?? 9/10 of us would probably have the Sox in a better situation if we were in KW's place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkokieSox Posted October 10, 2004 Share Posted October 10, 2004 but they were a couple of months apart Anyway, If you don't think that either Lee of Konerko will be traded your crazy, if you ask members of Soxtalk, every 9 out of 10 will say yes that one of them will eb traded. I believe it will be Konerko. 9 of 10 may believe a trade will be made, but 90% don't believe it will be PK. Listen to what Ozzie and KW are saying. They did everything but confirm that they'll be looking to move Lee over PK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted October 10, 2004 Share Posted October 10, 2004 9/10 of us would probably have the Sox in a better situation if we were in KW's place. Send in your resume! I for one would love to see the average fan sit in the GM chair for one year and have total and complete control. And then see how much fun it would be afterwards when everything is screwed up beyond repair ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted October 10, 2004 Share Posted October 10, 2004 9 of 10 may believe a trade will be made, but 90% don't believe it will be PK. Listen to what Ozzie and KW are saying. They did everything but confirm that they'll be looking to move Lee over PK. Not the way I read it. That's the writer of the article, Joe Cowley, speculating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted October 10, 2004 Share Posted October 10, 2004 Konerko won't be traded, but I wouldn't mind Olerud as a cheap backup if he was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MinnesotaSoxFan Posted October 10, 2004 Share Posted October 10, 2004 Send in your resume! I for one would love to see the average fan sit in the GM chair for one year and have total and complete control. And then see how much fun it would be afterwards when everything is screwed up beyond repair ... Would he be better than Hawk's one year as a GM? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted October 10, 2004 Share Posted October 10, 2004 Would he be better than Hawk's one year as a GM? Probably just as bad, I remember that year ... it was brutal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1549 Posted October 10, 2004 Share Posted October 10, 2004 Send in your resume! I for one would love to see the average fan sit in the GM chair for one year and have total and complete control. And then see how much fun it would be afterwards when everything is screwed up beyond repair ... I agree and disagree. Could a person from this board step in and build a world series team, probably not. However I don't think a person from this would run the team into the ground either. Lets say in this hypothetical situation that the players and the other GM's do not boycott and refuse to work with a fan GM. This is what would happen: First of all: 1- Most trade proposal's would probably be rejected. Fans tend to over value their team's players & prospects. It would be hard to get screwed in a trade when one can't be created. 2- As long as the new GM was given a cap by JR, then the new GM would not ruin the team financially. 3- Most of us are not the type of fan who only goes for a player's name value. I don't think any of us here would trade away the farm for say Barry Zito. Most Soxtalk posters are knowledgeable when in the statistical revolution and are aware of the importance of prospects. Where we would be screwed: 1- The draft. Noone on this site would be able to carry out a successful draft. Too much weight would either be put into raw statistics, or a scout's word. Then again drafts don't produce 25 major leaguers anyways, so the team might get too badly screwed. 2- Negotiations. I don't know of any sports lawyers on this site. So the little nuances of the negotiation might get screwed up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSteve Posted October 10, 2004 Share Posted October 10, 2004 Good post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted October 10, 2004 Share Posted October 10, 2004 I agree and disagree. Could a person from this board step in and build a world series team, probably not. However I don't think a person from this would run the team into the ground either. Lets say in this hypothetical situation that the players and the other GM's do not boycott and refuse to work with a fan GM. This is what would happen: First of all: 1- Most trade proposal's would probably be rejected. Fans tend to over value their team's players & prospects. It would be hard to get screwed in a trade when one can't be created. 2- As long as the new GM was given a cap by JR, then the new GM would not ruin the team financially. 3- Most of us are not the type of fan who only goes for a player's name value. I don't think any of us here would trade away the farm for say Barry Zito. Most Soxtalk posters are knowledgeable when in the statistical revolution and are aware of the importance of prospects. Where we would be screwed: 1- The draft. Noone on this site would be able to carry out a successful draft. Too much weight would either be put into raw statistics, or a scout's word. Then again drafts don't produce 25 major leaguers anyways, so the team might get too badly screwed. 2- Negotiations. I don't know of any sports lawyers on this site. So the little nuances of the negotiation might get screwed up. GM's have very little to do with the draft, for one. They generally oversee the guy(s) who are in charge of the draft, i.e. the player personnel guy. Two, most casual fans think of trading players like trading Monopoly properties. There is so much more that's involved. Three, it takes quite a bit of management experience to be a GM. Not baseball field management, but people management. Most fans don't have that. Heck, I had 15 years of high level Human Resources management experience, and I'm not even close to being qualified. For example, Rick Hahn does much of the negotiating. He has a ton of experience as a lawyer, agent, etc. Oh, and then there's the aspect of knowing all of MLB rules, and organized labor rules. The only way a fan could be successful is if he had a qualified person standing right behind him, telling him exactly what to do and say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted October 10, 2004 Share Posted October 10, 2004 Think aboutm it, we know Lee or konerko is going to be traded, but when it comes down to it, Konerko right now, has more value, plus he has a quality player behind him to take over. Lee probably has the better trade value. Konerko's stats are obviously helped by playing in USCF, while Lee's are not as much. Lee's a better all around player and is hitting around .300 too. Lee is still improving, even at an age where most players aren't...but Konerko has pretty much hit his peak and will, in all likelyhood, only see decline from here. If you traded the higher value player, Lee would be off the team next year. Personally...I have no preference. Both could be kept, both could be traded...so long as good replacments were brought in, I could care less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butter Parque Posted October 10, 2004 Author Share Posted October 10, 2004 If I was the General Manager, How many playoff appearances would I make? NONE So what would be the difference between me and Kenny Williams? Combined we would have a total of 0 Playoff appearances during our regime. Thats pretty sad. I still believe that Konerko would have the slight edge in trade value because of his 40 HR's and because its very hard to find a good defensive 1B. Either way though, the difference between the two's trade values in miniscule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted October 10, 2004 Share Posted October 10, 2004 If I was the General Manager, How many playoff appearances would I make? NONE So what would be the difference between me and Kenny Williams? Combined we would have a total of 0 Playoff appearances during our regime. Thats pretty sad. I still believe that Konerko would have the slight edge in trade value because of his 40 HR's and because its very hard to find a good defensive 1B. Either way though, the difference between the two's trade values in miniscule. Lee can hit on the road and still has the ability to get better. I honestly don't think konerko will get much better if at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSOX45 Posted October 10, 2004 Share Posted October 10, 2004 Olerud? You're kidding right? Konerko is staying, if anyone's getting traded it's Lee. I don't even know if that's going to happen. I don't even want Olerud as a backup, let Gload play. CWSOX45 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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