John Olerud

[The Critic]

I think the fact that Lee has more time left on his contract would make him more attractive to other teams, but of the two I'd actually prefer they move PK.

NOT that I want to see either one go, but Lee's made great strides defensively and is a good offensive threat, and I'd hate to see some other team benefit from his continued ascent.

PK's huge year would bring the Sox some good value in return, and if KW can pull off a smart deal, I'd be alright with it, even though PK is one of my favorites.

[Wise Master Buehrle]

That's just your speculation.

No, we don't know that either Lee or Konerko will be traded.

 

Isn't this your own speculation as well? I haven't seen a single thing saying that we're not trading any of them. I'd say I've seen more proof that one of the two would be traded. I can see where his assumption would come from, because I'd make the exact same one.

[Wise Master Buehrle]

Olerud? You're kidding right? Konerko is staying, if anyone's getting traded it's Lee. I don't even know if that's going to happen. I don't even want Olerud as a backup, let Gload play.

 

 

 

CWSOX45

Where do you get this from? Why would the Sox trade Lee when we're already low on outfielders as it is? Do they really want to be down a LF and RF after some trade, which I would assume would be for pitching. Common sense says Konerko will be traded, what with Gload showing that he's a pretty good player.

[Chisoxfn]

Think aboutm it, we know Lee or konerko is going to be traded, but when it comes down to it, Konerko right now, has more value, plus he has a quality player behind him to take over.

Yes, its true Gload is their as a backup, but it also seems that the White Sox are very happy with Konerko. I think one thing in regards to Konerko is, he has the opportunity to be the "face" of the franchise. Frank Thomas is still probably the face of the franchise, but those days are numbered. Paulie is a likeable player who if he puts up similar production to this year could really be a guy that Sox could market around.

 

Having him, having the latin players like Garcia, Uribe, etc, and then Shingo (the asian) it could really give the team different faces for different markets. But Konerko is the kind of guy that you could really build a marketing campaign around. Just think about everyone that loved Robin Ventura, well to me, Konerko is a similar mold and he truly is a very likeable player.

 

This may not seem like something that you should think about, but in reality you have to think about it in a sense. He's also pretty well thought of in the clubhouse from what I can see between Kenny and Ozzie and others comments.

[santo=dorf]

If we trade Paulie, what about Travis Lee? He got hurt this year but he has a 3 million dollar option next year with the Yankees.

[SuperSteve]

If we trade Paulie, what about Travis Lee?  He got hurt this year but he has a 3 million dollar option next year with the Yankees.

:puke

[Chisoxfn]

Imo, but if the Sox deal Paul Konerko, they shouldn't even worry about things. Ross Gload showed me enough in 2004 to prove that he is fully capable of handling the position and deserves an opportunity at that position.

 

I'd also give Carl Everett a first base mitt and give him time over their at spring training and if I'd sign a backup it would be a guy like Randall Simon who would be happy to backup and would come very very cheaply.

 

Just my humble opinion cause I'd really like to see Gload get playing time next year and lots of it.

[SkokieSox]

Not the way I read it.

 

That's the writer of the article, Joe Cowley, speculating.

Those were quotes in the article.

[Guest JimH]

Those were quotes in the article.

Quotes from who, from Guillen//KW or Cowley?

 

Nowhere in there did I see either Guileen or KW say they were wanting to trade Carlos over Paul Knoerko.

 

Cowley speculated as such, but there were no quotes from KW or Guillen.

 

That's one thing about this board ... some sportswriter puts out an article and speculates, and posters take it as gospel.

 

When will peopl learn that sportswriter speculation is just that ... speculation?

[beck72]

Ozzie's quote on PK, "He's the best player I have right now" says PK will be around. Gload will be backup. No to OLerud

[greg775]

Only the white sox would consider trading their best players.

Konerko finishes second in the league in hrs, so trade him.

Of course, trade him. No reason to keep a guy like that.

 

Dysfunctional team.

 

Good teams trade 3 horses*** prospects for good players and sign

free agents who can play.

 

Sell the team, Mr. Reinsdork so we can sign some free agents

and keep our good players.

[Guest JimH]

Isn't this your own speculation as well? I haven't seen a single thing saying that we're not trading any of them. I'd say I've seen more proof that one of the two would be traded. I can see where his assumption would come from, because I'd make the exact same one.

I'm basing my comments specifically on what was quoted from KW and Guillen, not some assumptions made by fans on what they want to happen.

 

Go ahead and assume if you want, you may be right.

 

Then again, you may be wrong.

 

You've seen more proof that both will be traded? Really? Where? I'm sure your supposed proof is merely some sportswriter speculating about what they think the Sox will do. Isn't it ???? Or, am I wrong, and do you have a direct pipeline to KW's office, or maybe even Reinsdorf's?

 

All I'm doing, in case you can't figure it out, is telling people to not make assumptions about what the Sox will do based on what one sportswriter says.

 

Are we clear now, Ncor Jr.?

[AddisonStSox]

Only the white sox would consider trading their best players.

Konerko finishes second in the league in hrs, so trade him.

Of course, trade him. No reason to keep a guy like that.

 

Dysfunctional team.

 

Good teams trade 3 horses*** prospects for good players and sign

free agents who can play.

 

Sell the team, Mr. Reinsdork so we can sign some free agents

and keep our good players.

 

"Well, what do you say Mr. R., should we go after Pedro?"

 

"It's all about to change this year, just you wait, Jason Grilli is going to put people in the seats."

[qwerty]

 

"Well, what do you say Mr. R., should we go after Pedro?"

 

"It's all about to change this year, just you wait, Jason Grilli is going to put people in the seats."

People always say that is kenny williams but it's not.

[santo=dorf]

Only the white sox would consider trading their best players.

Konerko finishes second in the league in hrs, so trade him.

Of course, trade him. No reason to keep a guy like that.

 

Dysfunctional team.

 

Good teams trade 3 horses*** prospects for good players and sign

free agents who can play.

 

Sell the team, Mr. Reinsdork so we can sign some free agents

and keep our good players.

So I guess St. Louis trading away JD Drew was stupid too?

[Butter Parque]

I don't get it Greg and everyone like you, Konerko is a piece of the core of this team that has lost year in and year out, it seems as though Paul Konerko isn't winning us anything, so who the hell cares whether he stays or goes. if it was possible, I would trade the whole team away and completely start over. It's not working with these guys so lets turn a new page. At least Carlos is a guy who can hit for power, hit for average, drive in runs, get on base, and steal occasionaly. Konerko hits home runs and walks sometimes. Lee is the only one I would keep because he can do all that. Wheter you guys want to do it or not, its time to turn over a new leaf with this team.

[knightni]

and everyone like you

[Butter Parque]

I didn't mean that in a negative way, i meant everyone who has the same opinion as him on keeping the core of the white sox.

[CWSOX45]

Where do you get this from? Why would the Sox trade Lee when we're already low on outfielders as it is? Do they really want to be down a LF and RF after some trade, which I would assume would be for pitching. Common sense says Konerko will be traded, what with Gload showing that he's a pretty good player.

Where have I got this from? Well it's been talked about 6,000 times here on Soxtalk. Either Konerko or Lee are getting traded according to most. Call it a hunch, but I have a feeling that the Sox will trade Carlos before even considering trading Konerko.

 

CWSOX45

[CWSOX45]

I didn't mean that in a negative way, i meant everyone who has the same opinion as him on keeping the core of the white sox.

Butter, let's face it. The organization has fallen in love with Paul Konerko. He's our current team leader, he talks to the media the most, he's very marketable, he's a fan favorite etc...

 

I could go on and on. I agree with you though. I'd rather see Konerko traded rather than Carlos Lee, and at this point who knows what they're going to do. In my opinion Konerko and Lee ARE the core of this team, both should be kept. Guys that need to go are Valentin, Grilli, both Alomars, Everett.

 

As I said before, I just can't see this organization parting with Konerko yet.

 

CWSOX45

[1549]

GM's have very little to do with the draft, for one.  They generally oversee the guy(s) who are in charge of the draft, i.e. the player personnel guy.

 

Two, most casual fans think of trading players like trading Monopoly properties.  There is so much more that's involved.

 

Three, it takes quite a bit of management experience to be a GM.  Not baseball field management, but people management.  Most fans don't have that.  Heck, I had 15 years of high level Human Resources management experience, and I'm not even close to being qualified.  For example, Rick Hahn does much of the negotiating.  He has a ton of experience as a lawyer, agent, etc.

 

Oh, and then there's the aspect of knowing all of MLB rules, and organized labor rules. 

 

The only way a fan could be successful is if he had a qualified person standing right behind him, telling him exactly what to do and say.

Sorry for the delayed response Jim.

 

So I think we both agree that there would not be a mess to clean up, it would just be a lost season. That is of course unless the current players somehow managed to play like they have never played before.

[Wise Master Buehrle]

I'm basing my comments specifically on what was quoted from KW and Guillen, not some assumptions made by fans on what they want to happen.

 

Go ahead and assume if you want, you may be right.

 

Then again, you may be wrong.

 

You've seen more proof that both will be traded?  Really?  Where? I'm sure your supposed proof is merely some sportswriter speculating about what they think the Sox will do.  Isn't it ????  Or, am I wrong, and do you have a direct pipeline to KW's office, or maybe even Reinsdorf's?

 

All I'm doing, in case you can't figure it out, is telling people to not make assumptions about what the Sox will do based on what one sportswriter says.

 

Are we clear now, Ncor Jr.?

HAHAHAHAHAHA

 

KW and Ozzie have both praised their players, but never, have they ever said that they are 100% not traded. ALl this praise could be bigger basis for a trade! "Let's make our players look like golden flowers so otherr teams will pay a higher price"

 

You act like the thought that one of the two being traded is unimaginable and completely farfetched when, it actually, has some decent ground to stand on.

 

When players are quoted as being uncertain about their future as a Chicago White Sock, that's more than enough proof to deem that either may be traded.

 

Carlos Lee:

"I hope the team is happy with how I played, but I don't know. I really couldn't tell you," Lee said. "I'll be happy to be back here, but sometimes, you have to understand baseball is a business, too, and that business side will take over."

 

Team Needs:

"Sox also are interested in adding team speed and defense,"

 

That right there is enough to think "Ok, maybe Konerko is on the trade block".

 

Are we clear now, psycho?

[Wise Master Buehrle]

Where have I got this from? Well it's been talked about 6,000 times here on Soxtalk. Either Konerko or Lee are getting traded according to most. Call it a hunch, but I have a feeling that the Sox will trade Carlos before even considering trading Konerko.

 

CWSOX45

You said "Konerko is staying, if anyone's getting traded it's Lee."

 

Then you said that it's been talked about 6,000 times here.

 

I have not seen a majority of the people saying that Lee will be traded over Konerko if there even is a trade. I'd say the general opinion is split on either of them.

[Guest JimH]

HAHAHAHAHAHA

 

KW and Ozzie have both praised their players, but never, have they ever said that they are 100% not traded. ALl this praise could be bigger basis for a trade! "Let's make our players look like golden flowers so otherr teams will pay a higher price"

 

You act like the thought that one of the two being traded is unimaginable and completely farfetched when, it actually, has some decent ground to stand on.

 

When players are quoted as being uncertain about their future as a Chicago White Sock, that's more than enough proof to deem that either may be traded.

 

Carlos Lee:

"I hope the team is happy with how I played, but I don't know. I really couldn't tell you," Lee said. "I'll be happy to be back here, but sometimes, you have to understand baseball is a business, too, and that business side will take over."

 

Team Needs:

"Sox also are interested in adding team speed and defense,"

 

That right there is enough to think "Ok, maybe Konerko is on the trade block".

 

Are we clear now, psycho? 

Are you nuts or what?

 

You're a moderator on this site and you just called a regular poster a psycho?

 

Your knowledge about baseball can be fit on the head of pin, with ample room to spare.

 

Goof.

 

Oh, and P.S. - Your handle of "Mr. Zero" is quite appropriate. I'd leave off the Mr. part though.

[Wise Master Buehrle]

Are you nuts or what?

 

You're a moderator on this site and you just called a regular poster a psycho?

 

Your knowledge about baseball can be fit on the head of pin, with ample room to spare.

 

Goof.

I could care less about status, when someone calls me something as absurd as "Ncor Jr." , I will reply back and insult back. In this case, I thought psycho was fitting, seeing as how you love to dig up an imaginary figures personal information and show it to everyone on whitesox.com and soxtalk just to prove that a person no one believed in the first case is a fraud. Want a cookie now?

 

PS: I'm not a mod.

 

PSS: Nice job dodging the rest of my post.