AngelasDaddy0427 Posted October 12, 2004 Share Posted October 12, 2004 How many of you would be willing to have a double play combo of Uribe and Harris provided that Harris batted 9th and we upgraded somewhere else? I think it would be great just because of the boost it would give our defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WSoxShuf Posted October 12, 2004 Share Posted October 12, 2004 I would love to take a pass on that one and make HArris a utility/late game basestealer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkokieSox Posted October 12, 2004 Share Posted October 12, 2004 I wouldn't mind it, but I would prefer getting Vizquel and having Uribe at second. I like Harris, but I feel this would make us very strong up the middle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngelasDaddy0427 Posted October 12, 2004 Author Share Posted October 12, 2004 Vizquel is not the answer. If we sign him we will regret it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WSoxShuf Posted October 12, 2004 Share Posted October 12, 2004 LEt us pray for Renteria. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkokieSox Posted October 12, 2004 Share Posted October 12, 2004 Vizquel is not the answer. If we sign him we will regret it. Why is that? He couldn't be any worse than Valentin, in fact, it should be a significant improvement. Better defense, more consistent contact, and the ability to consistently move runners along. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubKilla Posted October 12, 2004 Share Posted October 12, 2004 Vizquel is not the answer. Long-term Vizquel is not. A one year contract with a 2nd year option? Couldn't hurt. Omar would be, as previously stated by SEAL, a significant improvement and more conducive to "OzzieBall"..... whatever the hell that really is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngelasDaddy0427 Posted October 12, 2004 Author Share Posted October 12, 2004 For my money i'd rather try and snag Orlando Cabrea or Edgar Renteria. I'm sorry but I don't think we need to have Robbie and Omar. Some people need to wake up and realize that it's 2004 and not 1994. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubKilla Posted October 12, 2004 Share Posted October 12, 2004 For my money i'd rather try and snag Orlando Cabrea or Edgar Renteria. I'm sorry but I don't think we need to have Robbie and Omar. Some people need to wake up and realize that it's 2004 and not 1994. If we had ownership that gave a damn then sure..... Cabrera, Renteria, Garciaparra..... would all be on top of the wish list. You need to wake up and realize that JR owns this team and not Steinbrenner. Vizquel is a perfect fit for a team that is as fiscally responsible as JR's White Sox who are managed by Ozzie Guillen. Vizquel would come fairly cheap (a + for JR) but can still play the type of baseball Ozzie wants to play (a + for Ozzie). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted October 12, 2004 Share Posted October 12, 2004 I am not comfortable of an infield that includes Harris, Uribe and Crede as starters. Too much youth, too many questions. I have already stated that I believe Vizquel would be a nice fit for this team for the next two years. He can obviously not be the only off season acquisition and he doesn't solve the leadoff issue, but with the right mix of additions, I think he would be very good for this team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted October 12, 2004 Share Posted October 12, 2004 For my money i'd rather try and snag Orlando Cabrea or Edgar Renteria. Cabrera is extremely over rated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted October 12, 2004 Share Posted October 12, 2004 Depends which Cabrera. You could also say he's under-rated because he's not going to get paid on the scale of what he can do, but on what he's down. However, the Red Sox over-rate him because he was so much better defensively then Nomar. He's also a good hitter and has the tools to be, but he has a lot of questionable things going on when at the plate. Poor eye, basically a lot of bad habits that put him in prolonged slumps. However, sheer talent wise I think he could bust out and start putting up Renteria like numbers. Right now I'd go with Omar because I have a lot of faith in Uribe becoming the starting shortstop in a year or two. He may be the starting 2nd baseman and eventually slide over once Omar is done. We all know Juan can play shortstop. The key is for him to continue to cut back on his flaws at the plate because he too has what it takes to be a stellar hitter. When I see Uribe, I see Tejada like numbers in his future...if he can continue to work on patience and drive the ball opposite field like he does when he's hot, cause it opens up his ability to pull the ball and he can hit the piss out of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted October 12, 2004 Share Posted October 12, 2004 Depends which Cabrera. You could also say he's under-rated because he's not going to get paid on the scale of what he can do, but on what he's down. However, the Red Sox over-rate him because he was so much better defensively then Nomar. He's also a good hitter and has the tools to be, but he has a lot of questionable things going on when at the plate. Poor eye, basically a lot of bad habits that put him in prolonged slumps. However, sheer talent wise I think he could bust out and start putting up Renteria like numbers. Right now I'd go with Omar because I have a lot of faith in Uribe becoming the starting shortstop in a year or two. He may be the starting 2nd baseman and eventually slide over once Omar is done. We all know Juan can play shortstop. The key is for him to continue to cut back on his flaws at the plate because he too has what it takes to be a stellar hitter. When I see Uribe, I see Tejada like numbers in his future...if he can continue to work on patience and drive the ball opposite field like he does when he's hot, cause it opens up his ability to pull the ball and he can hit the piss out of it. Outside of strikeouts and batting average valentin has been just as good if not better than cabrera. defensively he is better than cabrera according to zone rating and range factor. But he is worse when it comes to errors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisoxfan14 Posted October 12, 2004 Share Posted October 12, 2004 If they are both in the lineup, then im all for it! Cuz They are awesome! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted October 12, 2004 Share Posted October 12, 2004 Here's a couple names that haven't really be mentioned. Placido Palanco -- He'd be a perfect #2 hitter. Somehow I doubt that philly lets him walk. Eric Young -- I know, I know, you guys are wondering what I'm smoking. Well EY was a FA last off-season, and snagged only a $1M contract. We should be able to get him for the same. I don't advocate playing him everyday, but he would be a great platoon-mate with Willie Harris at second. He's a versitile defender, played (2B, LF, RF, CF, SS, 3B) last season, a veteran leader. and his career splits vs. LHP(.299/.380/.434) are good enough to warrant a contract, I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted October 12, 2004 Share Posted October 12, 2004 Here's a couple names that haven't really be mentioned. Placido Palanco -- He'd be a perfect #2 hitter. Somehow I doubt that philly lets him walk. Eric Young -- I know, I know, you guys are wondering what I'm smoking. Well EY was a FA last off-season, and snagged only a $1M contract. We should be able to get him for the same. I don't advocate playing him everyday, but he would be a great platoon-mate with Willie Harris at second. He's a versitile defender, played (2B, LF, RF, CF, SS, 3B) last season, a veteran leader. and his career splits vs. LHP(.299/.380/.434) are good enough to warrant a contract, I think. One of the things Ozzie said he wanted was versatile players. Wouldn't surprise me at all to see the Sox try to snag EY. And Uribe-Harris up the middle = 4th place. So if you want that, go right ahead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted October 12, 2004 Share Posted October 12, 2004 Here's a couple names that haven't really be mentioned. Placido Palanco -- He'd be a perfect #2 hitter. Somehow I doubt that philly lets him walk. Eric Young -- I know, I know, you guys are wondering what I'm smoking. Well EY was a FA last off-season, and snagged only a $1M contract. We should be able to get him for the same. I don't advocate playing him everyday, but he would be a great platoon-mate with Willie Harris at second. He's a versitile defender, played (2B, LF, RF, CF, SS, 3B) last season, a veteran leader. and his career splits vs. LHP(.299/.380/.434) are good enough to warrant a contract, I think. Thats a really nice idea cheat. If EY couldn't teach Willie a thing or two about base running, who will. Plus Willie didn't have favorable splits against lefties so it would be a great way for a platoon system. The only problem I see is it takes at bats away from Uribe, who the Sox appear ready to give the uber utility slot to again with him getting about 500 ab's, many of which will come against LHP's because Willie will be sitting. Polanco is an idea I'm starting to open up on. I didn't realize how good some of his numbers are. Like you though, I don't think the Phils would let him go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted October 12, 2004 Share Posted October 12, 2004 The Phillies won't resign Polanco. They have Chase Utley to take over the 2b position at a much cheaper price. Polanco is definitely a solid hitter who I would love to have batting 2nd for the Sox, with Uribe playing SS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted October 12, 2004 Share Posted October 12, 2004 The Phillies won't resign Polanco. They have Chase Utley to take over the 2b position at a much cheaper price. Polanco is definitely a solid hitter who I would love to have batting 2nd for the Sox, with Uribe playing SS. Polanco is my #2 FA target then. (#1 being a SP) -- We'd still be short a lead off guy. But he would really solidify the order. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted October 12, 2004 Share Posted October 12, 2004 Polanco is my #2 FA target then. (#1 being a SP) -- We'd still be short a lead off guy. But he would really solidify the order. You realize the Sox originally drafted Polanco....... I'm sure he felt real good about it when he found out it was shortly after they drafted Ron Scheuler's DAUGHTER! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted October 12, 2004 Share Posted October 12, 2004 I still like getting Vizquel to play SS, but Polanco wouldn't be a bad call if they would rather get a 2B. Neither by themselves will be a difference maker, however. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AddisonStSox Posted October 12, 2004 Share Posted October 12, 2004 How many of you would be willing to have a double play combo of Uribe and Harris provided that Harris batted 9th and we upgraded somewhere else? I think it would be great just because of the boost it would give our defense. Absolutely Not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxman352000 Posted October 12, 2004 Share Posted October 12, 2004 The idea of placido sounds like a possibility, but I think Omar is a more likely senario. KW seems like he would be more willing to go after Vizquel, KW likes veterans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3E8 Posted October 12, 2004 Share Posted October 12, 2004 And Uribe-Harris up the middle = 4th place. So if you want that, go right ahead. You say the craziest things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butter Parque Posted October 12, 2004 Share Posted October 12, 2004 I would absolutely die if we were able to sign Omar, I don't thnk it's that big of a risk. At your most important position in the infield, we would have one of (if not) the best fielder in the game. Yeah, he's lost some range, but you don't see him make silly errors like Valentin. He could be great in the 2 hole and make some solid contact. He could also help Uribe and Harris. Omar is a perfect fit for the White Sox. I would have Willie and Uribe split time at 2nd if Omar was here. If one totally outplayes the other, then that one should get the job. But right now, I think they're both equal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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