Punch and Judy Garland Posted October 13, 2004 Share Posted October 13, 2004 File this next to the Beltran talk in the wishiful thinking file. But, wouldn't it be great if we went after Pedro. The White Sox only offer 3 year delas to pitchers, and nobody else is goign to probably offer more than 2. I'd love to see the Sox throw 3 yrs/45-51 mil his way. Can you imagine a rotation of Pedro-Buehrle-Garcia-Garland-Contreras? You cannot convince me that we can't afford him, but you don't need to convince me that we won't make an offer to him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted October 13, 2004 Share Posted October 13, 2004 Let King George waste all of his time and money by getting into a bidding war with Boston. When all of that hoopla is going on, we'll sign Beltran under the radar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted October 13, 2004 Share Posted October 13, 2004 I would much rather fill multiple holes than just one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AddisonStSox Posted October 13, 2004 Share Posted October 13, 2004 I would much rather fill multiple holes than just one. Wow! Wouldn't we all...wouldn't we all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted October 13, 2004 Share Posted October 13, 2004 This was the first time in a long time that Pedro made all his starts. There is a high risk reward here. Let's also remember his last 4 starts during the regular season stunk up the joint. I guess I'm leaning more towards praying our system developes a solid #5 then signing an ageing HoF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punch and Judy Garland Posted October 13, 2004 Author Share Posted October 13, 2004 I think signing Pedro would negate the need to fill some of those holes. If you take his non-Yankee starts, he's even better than his numbers. Plus, he's a legit #1. I saw extra-giddyup on his fastball in Anaheim. I think tonight's a huge test for him , and I expect him to pass it with flying colors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted October 13, 2004 Share Posted October 13, 2004 I think signing Pedro would negate the need to fill some of those holes. If you take his non-Yankee starts, he's even better than his numbers. Plus, he's a legit #1. I saw extra-giddyup on his fastball in Anaheim. I think tonight's a huge test for him , and I expect him to pass it with flying colors. If pedro pitches like he has before this year we would not need to fill many other holes. But who says he doesn't pitch like he did this last year or worse? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan99 Posted October 13, 2004 Share Posted October 13, 2004 This was the first time in a long time that Pedro made all his starts. There is a high risk reward here. Yeah, but except for one year Pedro has made at least 29 starts in every season since 1994. Its not like the guy is constantly missing a lot of starts every year. But I do agree its a pretty big risk especially for a team on a limited budget. For the Yankees on the other hand..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valponick Posted October 13, 2004 Share Posted October 13, 2004 This was the first time in a long time that Pedro made all his starts. There is a high risk reward here. Let's also remember his last 4 starts during the regular season stunk up the joint. I guess I'm leaning more towards praying our system developes a solid #5 then signing an ageing HoF. Pedro is only 32 I think, hes not young but I'm sure he has a lot left in his tank. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punch and Judy Garland Posted October 13, 2004 Author Share Posted October 13, 2004 Here's a link so you can say hello to his little friend. Can you picture Pedro, his friend, and Timo Perez walking into a Chicago nightclub together? http://bremsportfolk.blogspot.com/2004/09/pedros-friend.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3E8 Posted October 13, 2004 Share Posted October 13, 2004 Ozzie Latin influence anyone??? Beltran, Pedro, Perez, they're all signing with us!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted October 13, 2004 Share Posted October 13, 2004 I think signing Pedro would negate the need to fill some of those holes. If you take his non-Yankee starts, he's even better than his numbers. Plus, he's a legit #1. I saw extra-giddyup on his fastball in Anaheim. I think tonight's a huge test for him , and I expect him to pass it with flying colors. That's exactly what would happen too. Buehrle was most definately the ace of this year's staff, Garcia the #2, Contreras the #3, Garland the #4, and then the huge ? at the 5th spot. Every one of those pitchers is best suited one spot back...what does Pedro do? Signing Pedro counters the emergence of Johan Santana too. Those series become much more even too. If we have a decent bullpen...ie, the way it was in the first half...and we could win this division with ease. I am all for freeing up some payroll and going after Pedro. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted October 14, 2004 Share Posted October 14, 2004 I agree, and disagree. I would love Pedro on the SouthSide. I could give two s***s how he is in the clubhouse, or any kind of attitude he has, Pedro has defined the word ACE.No question about it. Pushing everyone back in the rotation would be huge, and having Jon at #5 would make me very happy. It would be awesome to have Jon Garland as your #5. BUT, this is the White Sox. You all know im not a poster who is Anti-Sox Managment or whatever, but im smart enough to know if we dish out the $$$ to Pedro, thats all the $$$ were dishing out all off-season. Wite, you said you would be happy to free up some payroll to sign Pedro. So lets say they trade Lee, because Konerko seems a little more lilkey to stay. We have now lost a 100 RBI guy, that with Pedro on the books, we probably wont replace. Maybe we sign a 2Mil Lf replacement, mabye. But then what happens to shoring up the pen, or getting that SS, or a RF repalcement??? If Pedro came to the White Sox, it could create to many problems to fix IMO. I think if you bring Pedro on, you have to trade Konerko...there is not a one-step easy-to-fix solution if Lee were to be traded. However, there is one at 1B if Konerko were to be dealt. We have Gload, and I don't think that playing time he got down the stretch was just due to us being out of it and Ozzie wanting to play the bench. I think they were seriously looking at how he was going to handle starting, and I think he handled it quite well. What I think could happen is that they could trade Konerko to perhaps Baltimore for maybe Hairston/Roberts and Julio...Hairston would then end up at either 2B or RF/CF(or if Roberts, just 2B), and Julio would end up in the bullpen. You then slip Gload into the lineup at 1B and adjust from there. And even after that, you can look at Jose Guillen from Anaheim. You gotta figure that if you sign Pedro that clubhouse chemistry probably no longer matters, so you go out and get Guillen for a decent price(maybe you could get him for Jon Adkins even...probably a very small, very cheap package) and slip him in RF. If we signed Pedro, you would see KW's creativeness come out. It would have to. If he didn't get creative, it would cost him his job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted October 14, 2004 Share Posted October 14, 2004 Not really sure about what goes on in the BoSox clubhouse, but how big of a cancer is Pedro really? The only thing I ever see is him keeping it real loose and having a lot of fun in the dugout. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punch and Judy Garland Posted October 14, 2004 Author Share Posted October 14, 2004 I think he'd enjoy the change in media as the Chicago media is a lot easier than the vultures in Boston. He'd be an instant fan favorite hence, he'd draw big crowds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 14, 2004 Share Posted October 14, 2004 Not really sure about what goes on in the BoSox clubhouse, but how big of a cancer is Pedro really? The only thing I ever see is him keeping it real loose and having a lot of fun in the dugout. I think it is the same BS slander campaign that the Red Sox did to Nomar and Carl Everett. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wise Master Buehrle Posted October 14, 2004 Share Posted October 14, 2004 I would kill for Pedro. He's been consistent his whole career, and even our aces, Buerhle and Garcia sometimes give up the big innings. To have a complete stopper like Pedro in the rotation would help us greatly. A stopper is exactly what we need to help avoid the prolonged slumps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted October 14, 2004 Share Posted October 14, 2004 If Pedro signs with the White Sox, he'll tear his rotator cuff when he raises the pen of the contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastime Posted October 14, 2004 Share Posted October 14, 2004 He's 10-11 against the Yankees his last 23 starts. In order for us to win the World Series - which is the goal here, right? - we need to have guys who can beat them. Against the Yanks, he'll just get beat again with a White Sox uniform. I want Lieber and Pavano added to the starting staff. Garland can be traded or go to the bullpen. Or else Contreras can go to the bullpen with Garland being the #5. I want no part of Pedro and his fading dominance. His arm is literally about to fall off. We won't score 8 runs a game like he had this year. With us, he'll be a 15-12 pitcher. Hell, even Garland's sorry ass can do that - OR CAN HE? Pedro's gonna want a lot of money - that money can be better spent elsewhere. And why is Omar Visquel not already signed to be our SS?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yankthis Posted October 14, 2004 Share Posted October 14, 2004 I don't think Pedro is past his prime or that he has "lost dominance". I think he is dogging it a bit on purpose lately because he feels like an unwanted stepchild. He'll likely sign with he Yankees though, so he can enjoy off days shopping for shoes and clothing with "Avon" Rodriguez and "Pond's Cream" Jeter. They'll make a lovely trio. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punch and Judy Garland Posted October 14, 2004 Author Share Posted October 14, 2004 Let's get one thing straight, Pedro gets beaten by the Yankees but it also has to do with his run support. Take last night as a prime example. 6 innings, 3 runs. That is a solid performance. Boston's batas struggle mightily against the Yankee's starting pitching in the postseason. When Jon Friggin' Lieber is acing you ( guy with a .300 opponent ba), it shows that a large part of the onus belongs on Pedro's offensive support. We already have a very good offense and Pedro would do well with our run support (ask Freddy Garcia). It seems that Pedro is currently only getting rocked by divisional opponents that have seen him an exorbinant amount of time over the last few years. I bet if he came to the AL Central where teams are mildly less familiar with him, he'd have an era under 3 for the year. Also, let's not say that PEdro can't beat the Yanks, he has plenty of times. Just not the last few really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
israel4ever Posted October 14, 2004 Share Posted October 14, 2004 I don't think Pedro is past his prime or that he has "lost dominance". I think he is dogging it a bit on purpose lately because he feels like an unwanted stepchild. He'll likely sign with he Yankees though, so he can enjoy off days shopping for shoes and clothing with "Avon" Rodriguez and "Pond's Cream" Jeter. They'll make a lovely trio. Baseball Weekly says that Pavano and Eric Milton are the main Yankee targets this offseason, no mention of Pedro. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sox1422 Posted October 15, 2004 Share Posted October 15, 2004 Wow! Wouldn't we all...wouldn't we all. Good comedy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted October 15, 2004 Share Posted October 15, 2004 Baseball Weekly says that Pavano and Eric Milton are the main Yankee targets this offseason, no mention of Pedro. Are the yankees that stupid to go after milton. he gets hit hard insanely in the national league, he gave up 43 homeruns last year. In the american league it would probally be around 60-65. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBlackSox8 Posted October 15, 2004 Share Posted October 15, 2004 Are the yankees that stupid to go after milton. he gets hit hard insanely in the national league, he gave up 43 homeruns last year. In the american league it would probally be around 60-65. Maybe he'll reach Bonds territory and get to the 70's. What is the record for homers in a season givin up?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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