israel4ever Posted October 15, 2004 Share Posted October 15, 2004 once again, I don't think fans as a whole can complain about an organization not spending money if they themselves refuse to do so... You can complain if an organization is making no attempt to win and aren't bringing in good players, and unless one is blinded by his pure hatred of the organization, nobody can go and say the Sox haven't been trying. all this JR is cheap crap is really getting old. 20+ years of not being close to a WS is getting real old!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted October 15, 2004 Share Posted October 15, 2004 Can I give an IOU.. I just paid for my season tickets yesterday so I'm a little light... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubKilla Posted October 15, 2004 Share Posted October 15, 2004 And Killa.. do me a little itty bitty favor.. just wait until after the winter meetings are over... OK..? I honestly believe that you will be pleased with what the Sox attempt to do. KW will always make attempts on the Sox behalf. It's this Organization's track record as a whole and JR's shady behind-the-scenes dealings that drive away anyone that could do some real help to this Organization. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted October 15, 2004 Share Posted October 15, 2004 KW will always make attempts on the Sox behalf. It's this Organization's track record as a whole and JR's shady behind-the-scenes dealings that drive away anyone that could do some real help to this Organization. It's got nothing to do with JR.. :banghead BTW Killa.. check your PM's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted October 15, 2004 Share Posted October 15, 2004 You and Henry and I4E would be best friends in the "real world".. Which season? Philly? NY? Paris? San Diego? Chicago? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molto Posted October 15, 2004 Share Posted October 15, 2004 20+ years of not being close to a WS is getting real old!!! and that has purely to do with the organization being cheap? I'm not saying the Sox have put out a great team year in and year out. But I am saying that they've tried harder than most MLB teams over the past few years and all they get as result is 1.9 million in attendance (granted, they haven't produced much on the field, but if you are getting 15,000 in April, when the season is FAR from over and the talent is there, that's pretty sad). Look at the rankings of attendance and see where each team ranks in payroll. If you do that over the past few years, you'll notice the White Sox are around 13-15 in payroll and around 17 in attendance. The White Sox from a spending standpoint haven't been all that great, but neither has us as fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted October 15, 2004 Share Posted October 15, 2004 Which season? Philly? NY? Paris? San Diego? Chicago? Definitely Philly. Can't you just see them getting chairs thrown at them.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
israel4ever Posted October 15, 2004 Share Posted October 15, 2004 and that has purely to do with the organization being cheap? I'm not saying the Sox have put out a great team year in and year out. But I am saying that they've tried harder than most MLB teams over the past few years and all they get as result is 1.9 million in attendance (granted, they haven't produced much on the field, but if you are getting 15,000 in April, when the season is FAR from over and the talent is there, that's pretty sad). Look at the rankings of attendance and see where each team ranks in payroll. If you do that over the past few years, you'll notice the White Sox are around 13-15 in payroll and around 17 in attendance. The White Sox from a spending standpoint haven't been all that great, but neither has us as fans. If they put players/team on the field that people want to see (i.e CONTENDERS), people will come out. History has shown that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted October 15, 2004 Share Posted October 15, 2004 If they put players/team on the field that people want to see (i.e CONTENDERS), people will come out. History has shown that. Even if they went out and acquired good players, which they already have several of by the way, you'd find some problem with them. They aren't your brand of "marquee player" or something. Bandwagon jumper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubKilla Posted October 15, 2004 Share Posted October 15, 2004 Even if they went out and acquired good players, which they already have several of by the way, you'd find some problem with them. They aren't your brand of "marquee player" or something. Bandwagon jumper. You're right. Politte, Jackson, and Uribe..... some of last season's "acquired good players"..... are not my types of "marque players." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
israel4ever Posted October 15, 2004 Share Posted October 15, 2004 Even if they went out and acquired good players, which they already have several of by the way, you'd find some problem with them. They aren't your brand of "marquee player" or something. Bandwagon jumper. Don't put words in my mouth, J.O.! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted October 15, 2004 Share Posted October 15, 2004 You're right. Politte, Jackson, and Uribe..... some of last season's "acquired good players"..... are not my types of "marque players." Don't forget Willie stupid Harris.. :puke And yea.. I know technically he was aquired before last year, and I don't care. He still makes me :puke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted October 15, 2004 Share Posted October 15, 2004 Don't put words in my mouth, J.O.! Bandwagon jumper. Having a bad day or something ... yet again? :rolly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted October 15, 2004 Share Posted October 15, 2004 Don't put words in my mouth, J.O.! Oh geezus.. shut the hell up both of you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted October 15, 2004 Share Posted October 15, 2004 You're right. Politte, Jackson, and Uribe..... some of last season's "acquired good players"..... are not my types of "marque players." I was talking about the good players they already have, you know, like Buehrle, Thomas, Lee, Konerko, Garcia, etc. What's the difference ... some people just like to b****. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted October 15, 2004 Share Posted October 15, 2004 Oh geezus.. shut the hell up both of you. What was it you said yesterday ... No chance ... it's more fun to point out the whining and stupidity? Somethin' like that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted October 15, 2004 Share Posted October 15, 2004 What was it you said yesterday ... No chance ... it's more fun to point out the whining and stupidity? Somethin' like that? Ummm.. uhhh... Busted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
israel4ever Posted October 15, 2004 Share Posted October 15, 2004 You're right. Politte, Jackson, and Uribe..... some of last season's "acquired good players"..... are not my types of "marque players." Don't forget Robbie Alomar and Carl Everett. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lefty Of Love Posted October 15, 2004 Share Posted October 15, 2004 I4E-- It seems your biggest problem is that the White Sox don't spend enough money. How do you counter the fact that their payroll has been increasing for the past few years? The two ideas cannot go hand in hand. Secondly, you complain that the Sox don't go out and get marquee names. In August, when the Sox's push was at its most desperate, KW tried to get Delgado and Larry Walker. They didn't want to come play here. That reflects poorly on the Sox's organization, but your objection is that they make no effort to get big-name guys, and KW probably worked his balls off to get these deals done....it wasn't HIS fault they wouldn't waive their no-trade clauses. If the Sox are so reluctant to get big-name playas, how does that explain the Freddy Garcia trade and then re-sign? Or how about Jose Contreras, who, although is not a marquee name, clearly represents an escalating financial committment compared with that deal not going down? Is this an accurate assessment of your objections? If not, please clarify what your beef(s) are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamTell Posted October 15, 2004 Share Posted October 15, 2004 Yeah this Ordonez thing is very odd. Visquel would be a nice pick up I think. He's a team leader unlike Roberto Alomar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molto Posted October 15, 2004 Share Posted October 15, 2004 I4E-- It seems your biggest problem is that the White Sox don't spend enough money. How do you counter the fact that their payroll has been increasing for the past few years? The two ideas cannot go hand in hand. Secondly, you complain that the Sox don't go out and get marquee names. In August, when the Sox's push was at its most desperate, KW tried to get Delgado and Larry Walker. They didn't want to come play here. That reflects poorly on the Sox's organization, but your objection is that they make no effort to get big-name guys, and KW probably worked his balls off to get these deals done....it wasn't HIS fault they wouldn't waive their no-trade clauses. If the Sox are so reluctant to get big-name playas, how does that explain the Freddy Garcia trade and then re-sign? Or how about Jose Contreras, who, although is not a marquee name, clearly represents an escalating financial committment compared with that deal not going down? Is this an accurate assessment of your objections? If not, please clarify what your beef(s) are. that would require them using common sense ... very hard concept for them apparently. I really like how guys like this are the first ones to complain and urge an organization to sign a big name player and then they will be the first one to go and complain about that very same player and contract 3-4 years down the road when that player is making $15 plus mil a year and is either over the hill, injured or simply no longer productive. fact is, the White Sox will never be (well, not never, but highly unlikely) a big spender, which is understandable. With that, they can't go out and throw money out at players, which is the reason why so many other mid-market teams have failed. they try to spend like they have $100 million when they only have $50, which leads to them over-paying for a player who giving someone a long-term contract which will look like s*** long term. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
israel4ever Posted October 15, 2004 Share Posted October 15, 2004 My whole point (and please try to refrain from the personal attcks, I have tried to do so.) is that what ownership has been doing for the last 20+ years is not (has not) working. We are no closer to being WS contenders than we were in 1983. Therefore, there is (OBVIOUSLY) something ownership is not doing right, maybe it's time we try another approach. How many more "5-year rebuilding plans" are we supposed to go along with? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Beast Posted October 15, 2004 Share Posted October 15, 2004 This was the most entertaining line IMO. What could he say about him that could be so bad? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted October 15, 2004 Share Posted October 15, 2004 My whole point (and please try to refrain from the personal attcks, I have tried to do so.) is that what ownership has been doing for the last 20+ years is not (has not) working. We are no closer to being WS contenders than we were in 1983. Therefore, there is (OBVIOUSLY) something ownership is not doing right, maybe it's time we try another approach. How many more "5-year rebuilding plans" are we supposed to go along with? What's your plan? Go out and sign the top free agents every year? I've heard complaining and oh yeah, a threat ... but not a plan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxrd5 Posted October 15, 2004 Share Posted October 15, 2004 What could he say about him that could be so bad? Hmmmmm....perhaps that he is a liar He's greedy... Deals with low-life agents.... Doesnt disclose his injuries to his team doctors.... And all in all a Great teammate Nothing at all Beastly... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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