Butter Parque Posted October 18, 2004 Share Posted October 18, 2004 I think some of those ideas are pretty good. On the offensive side, I wouldn't really change that much. I would love to acquire Furcal in maybe a Lee, Konerko for Furcal, Cruz, Eli Marrero, and maybe a prospect; but the odds of that happening aren't that good. Visquel is a more likely option and I believe is the 2nd best option to Furcal. He could come in cheap for 1-2 years and maybe stabalize the SS position. I'm not asking for an all-star performance, all we need is an adequate bat and a solid glove from him and i thonk he can more then likely do that. Other then getting a SS, I don't see them getting anyone else on offense. As for the starting pitching, I wish the Sox would wake up and realize their rotation is average. Garcia is no ace and Buehrle (at this point in his career) is too inconsistent to be one. I'm not asking for an ace but they need a bridge to go from the top of the rotation to the back-end. Thats why I believe that radke is the guy. He's perfect for that role and could possibly flourish doing it. If they don't want to attack the pitching side of the fee agent market, then I guess they should acquire someone for either Lee or Konerko. I love Pineiro (granted he's healthy) to be a guy on this staff. He's not a fly-ball or ground-ball pitcher and challenges every hitter he faces. he doesn't give up many home-runs and could balance the rotation. I'm trying to recall the trade proposal that someone sent Seattle, and they turned it down because they didn't want to include Pineiro. I know it was someone good though. So from this, it seems unlikely that they would give up a healthy Pineiro for a guy of Konerko or Lee's caliber. Like they say hitting wins games, pitching wins championships. You don't trade good pitching for good hitting and I don't care who it is. As for the bullpen, i think more changes need to take place then you think. A better bullpen would have won us plenty more games. I totally disagree with the acquisition of Troy Percival. I just don't trust him enough to sign him to a multi-million dollar deal. I would love to have Hoffman but it seems unlikely for him to leave the West Coast, where he loves it. I don't expect him to be back in SD, it could be likely for him to go to Oakland, where they can either make Dotel the set-up man or possibly trade him. (hmmmm... Interesting) Percival is a likely option, but it would be a mistake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted October 18, 2004 Share Posted October 18, 2004 I think some of those ideas are pretty good. On the offensive side, I wouldn't really change that much. I would love to acquire Furcal in maybe a Lee, Konerko for Furcal, Cruz, Eli Marrero, and maybe a prospect; but the odds of that happening aren't that good. Visquel is a more likely option and I believe is the 2nd best option to Furcal. He could come in cheap for 1-2 years and maybe stabalize the SS position. I'm not asking for an all-star performance, all we need is an adequate bat and a solid glove from him and i thonk he can more then likely do that. Other then getting a SS, I don't see them getting anyone else on offense. As for the starting pitching, I wish the Sox would wake up and realize their rotation is average. Garcia is no ace and Buehrle (at this point in his career) is too inconsistent to be one. I'm not asking for an ace but they need a bridge to go from the top of the rotation to the back-end. Thats why I believe that radke is the guy. He's perfect for that role and could possibly flourish doing it. If they don't want to attack the pitching side of the fee agent market, then I guess they should acquire someone for either Lee or Konerko. I love Pineiro (granted he's healthy) to be a guy on this staff. He's not a fly-ball or ground-ball pitcher and challenges every hitter he faces. he doesn't give up many home-runs and could balance the rotation. I'm trying to recall the trade proposal that someone sent Seattle, and they turned it down because they didn't want to include Pineiro. I know it was someone good though. So from this, it seems unlikely that they would give up a healthy Pineiro for a guy of Konerko or Lee's caliber. Like they say hitting wins games, pitching wins championships. You don't trade good pitching for good hitting and I don't care who it is. As for the bullpen, i think more changes need to take place then you think. A better bullpen would have won us plenty more games. I totally disagree with the acquisition of Troy Percival. I just don't trust him enough to sign him to a multi-million dollar deal. I would love to have Hoffman but it seems unlikely for him to leave the West Coast, where he loves it. I don't expect him to be back in SD, it could be likely for him to go to Oakland, where they can either make Dotel the set-up man or possibly trade him. (hmmmm... Interesting) Percival is a likely option, but it would be a mistake. The odds of that happening are not good because we would be getting raped. Also makes no sense why you do not want percival but you would ''love'' to get hoffman. Why is that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AddisonStSox Posted October 19, 2004 Share Posted October 19, 2004 "Jason Grilli showed signs he could fill the fifth starter's role, or we may decide to look toward free agency to round out our rotation." State of the Sox KW has said this a couple of times...but I don't buy it for a minute. I really, really hope he was just being PC, and I think he was. Jason Grilli will not be in our rotation at the start of 05'...that is, he won't be there if our starting 5 is healthy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 19, 2004 Share Posted October 19, 2004 "Jason Grilli showed signs he could fill the fifth starter's role, or we may decide to look toward free agency to round out our rotation." State of the Sox KW has said this a couple of times...but I don't buy it for a minute. I really, really hope he was just being PC, and I think he was. Jason Grilli will not be in our rotation at the start of 05'...that is, he won't be there if our starting 5 is healthy. He could also be trying to make us look not desparate in the trade market... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngelasDaddy0427 Posted October 19, 2004 Share Posted October 19, 2004 He could also be trying to make us look not desparate in the trade market... God I hope so. Diaz is tons better then Grilli anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodAsGould Posted October 19, 2004 Share Posted October 19, 2004 idonno what you were watching but diaz was horrible starting.... grilli did better then him starting.... but if i had to choose one of them being on the team it would be diaz out of the pen where he would thrive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hitlesswonder Posted October 19, 2004 Share Posted October 19, 2004 idonno what you were watching but diaz was horrible starting.... grilli did better then him starting.... but if i had to choose one of them being on the team it would be diaz out of the pen where he would thrive It's just my opinion, but I'd say Grilli wasn't really any better as a starter. They were both bad. Diaz was 2-4 with a 7.91 ERA, Grilli was 2-3 with a 7.40 ERA. Grilli was pitching late in September for the most part, after most races were wrapped up. Diaz got to pitch against some good teams early on, bounced up and down between Charlotte and the Sox, and had to ptich off schedule several times. Plus at AAA, DIaz clearly outperformed Grilli as a starter. I'm not saying Diaz is great or anything, but to me he seems to have more potential than Grilli. I agree they should keep Diaz in the bullpen next year. I wouldn't be surprised if he outpitched Adkins. But right now I think there's only one open spot in the bullpen (assuming Adkins and Cotts are back), and I think they'll fill that with either a veteran or Grilli if a starter is acquired. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butter Parque Posted October 19, 2004 Share Posted October 19, 2004 The only thing that Percival has on Hoffman is his age. its startling to see that Hoffman is 37 years old because he shows no signs of slowing down. Here's why I would choose Hoffman over Percival: 1) Better career save percentage 2) The ability to pitch more innings in a season consistently. 3) Better WHIP (You don't want runners on base when your trying to close out a game. 4) Better career ERA 5) The ability to comeback strong after serious injury concerns. 6) Better K/BB ratio 7) Holds opponents to a lower OBP 8) Percival is still battling a serious hip injury. 9) Not by much, but Hoffman does give up less HR's which is very important, both are not GB pitchers, so thats a washout. 10) Hoffman just abuses RH hitters That' why I want Trevor Hoffman. Give me your reasons for wanting Troy Percival. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted October 19, 2004 Share Posted October 19, 2004 The only thing that Percival has on Hoffman is his age. its startling to see that Hoffman is 37 years old because he shows no signs of slowing down. Here's why I would choose Hoffman over Percival: 1) Better career save percentage 2) The ability to pitch more innings in a season consistently. 3) Better WHIP (You don't want runners on base when your trying to close out a game. 4) Better career ERA 5) The ability to comeback strong after serious injury concerns. 6) Better K/BB ratio 7) Holds opponents to a lower OBP 8) Percival is still battling a serious hip injury. 9) Not by much, but Hoffman does give up less HR's which is very important, both are not GB pitchers, so thats a washout. 10) Hoffman just abuses RH hitters That' why I want Trevor Hoffman. Give me your reasons for wanting Troy Percival. He throws really hard. Not that I don't like the idea...but does that sound familiar to anyone? :rolly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted October 19, 2004 Share Posted October 19, 2004 The only thing that Percival has on Hoffman is his age. its startling to see that Hoffman is 37 years old because he shows no signs of slowing down. Here's why I would choose Hoffman over Percival: 1) Better career save percentage 2) The ability to pitch more innings in a season consistently. 3) Better WHIP (You don't want runners on base when your trying to close out a game. 4) Better career ERA 5) The ability to comeback strong after serious injury concerns. 6) Better K/BB ratio 7) Holds opponents to a lower OBP 8) Percival is still battling a serious hip injury. 9) Not by much, but Hoffman does give up less HR's which is very important, both are not GB pitchers, so thats a washout. 10) Hoffman just abuses RH hitters That' why I want Trevor Hoffman. Give me your reasons for wanting Troy Percival. Hoffman is better i will give you that. I just don't understand why you want no part of percival at all. Their numbers throughout their careers are very similar with the slight edge going to hoffman. Also i would not be worried about percival's hip injury, he pitched great after getting back from his injury was still hitting 95,97,97,98 consistently. If you do not believe me ask others who either have mlb extra innings or jason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodAsGould Posted October 19, 2004 Share Posted October 19, 2004 ive watched the angels during the season and i had percival on my fantasy team and he was awesome after the injury... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted October 20, 2004 Share Posted October 20, 2004 Offer them both the same money and sign which ever one of them blinks first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butter Parque Posted October 20, 2004 Share Posted October 20, 2004 I don't know, Hoffman just seems like a more secure option. It would suck if a guy like Troy Percival comes in and becomes a Billy Koch and could barely hit 92 mph with his fastball. You don't have to worry about that with Hoffman, because he's a pitcher, not a thrower. On a good day, Hoffman could get up to 90mph on the gun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LosMediasBlancas Posted October 20, 2004 Share Posted October 20, 2004 I loved reading your post. Only disagreement is no way in hell we get Beltran. We don't get free agents like Carlos. We will never pay what it'll take to outbid the Yanks for him. That's when I stopped reading, it's more of a fantasy, ideal situation than probable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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