beck72 Posted October 20, 2004 Share Posted October 20, 2004 STEVE BISHEFF, Orange County Register columnist wrote in today's paper that Torii Hunter and Vernon Wells are reportedly on the trading block. He mentioned those two names as possible targets for Ana. as they might move Garret Anderson back to LF. Though the Twins wouldn't trade Hunter to the Sox, I could see them trading Hunter. Hunter hasn't been that happy w/ the Twins not spending cash on the team. With the successful trade of AJ for Nathan, etc, GM Ryan might try and strike gold again. The Twins are bound to get burned by trading proven players who start making a little money for prospects and question marks. Vernon Wells though? I know the kid Rios did well for them this yr. But Wells was absolutely murder vs the Sox in 2003. He's a stud who had a down yr. I don't know much about his defense but he can hit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 20, 2004 Share Posted October 20, 2004 Damn Vernon Wells would be sweet. What is his contract situation? Anyone know? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilJester99 Posted October 20, 2004 Share Posted October 20, 2004 If they can get Vernon Wells, the Sox had better do it in a f***ing heartbeat. That guy is a stud..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AddisonStSox Posted October 20, 2004 Share Posted October 20, 2004 Damn Vernon Wells would be sweet. What is his contract situation? Anyone know? Wells would be fantastic! He had a down year(Berkman, Konerko anyone?), hopefully we can jump on that. I wonder why the Jays would wanna trade him though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WSoxShuf Posted October 20, 2004 Share Posted October 20, 2004 No way to Torii Vernon would be splendid, but he is expensive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 20, 2004 Share Posted October 20, 2004 Wells would be fantastic! He had a down year(Berkman, Konerko anyone?), hopefully we can jump on that. I wonder why the Jays would wanna trade him though. I was kind of thinking the samething. They are going to get a huge savings with Carlos Delgado, so I can't imagine that its a payroll problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted October 20, 2004 Author Share Posted October 20, 2004 Wells signed a 5 yr, $14 mill contract that started in 2003. His 2004 salary was $800,000+. In looking at their stats, Alexis Rios would probably move to CF, as he only had 1 HR. With Reed Johnson and Frank Catalanotto on the corners, he could be moved. Tor. has a lot of needs--1b, SS, and lots of pitching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AddisonStSox Posted October 20, 2004 Share Posted October 20, 2004 Wells signed a 5 yr, $14 mill contract that started in 2003. His 2004 salary was $800,000+. In looking at their stats, Alexis Rios would probably move to CF, as he only had 1 HR. With Reed Johnson and Frank Catalanotto on the corners, he could be moved. Tor. has a lot of needs--1b, SS, and lots of pitching. Konerko to Toronto deal, something to consider? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 20, 2004 Share Posted October 20, 2004 Konerko to Toronto deal, something to consider? I doubt it. I can't imagine the Jays taking on salary in a trade. Besides rumors are that Delgado has a deal worked out to resign with the Jays for much cheaper than he was making. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesox61382 Posted October 20, 2004 Share Posted October 20, 2004 Either would be a great addition. I do think you are right when you say that the Twins probably won't trade Hunter to the Sox. Wells would be a dream. The man can flat out hit, I don't understand why Toronto would trade this guy. He is still relatively cheap(although I think he is arb. eligible this offseason), very young, and too talented to give up. They will probably look for a kings ransom in return, but I do think he should definately be option. The Jays have a lot of interesting parts that could interest the Sox as well(as part of a huge deal). Hudson at 2B is a guy I wanted the Sox to pursue last offseason. Solid defensively, has some pop, can hit for average, has seen his walk total increase each year(solid .340 OBP last year), decent speed, still young(26), and relatively cheap. Batista might be included in a deal. The Sox showed interest in him last offseason, and with his so-so year last year(almost identical to Garland) he could be available and part of a deal(decent option as a 5th starter). I still can't believe that Wells would be traded. Did the article say why the Jays were willing to trade him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted October 20, 2004 Author Share Posted October 20, 2004 Konerko to Toronto deal, something to consider? Seeing how no big name FA's would go to Tor, their only hope is to fill spots via trade. Though I'd like to see Lee go over PK, it's something I could live with. [though I'd still like to see Lee go even if something like this came to be]. ESPN's profile listed something to the effect that Wells is 'a cerebral player, who studies pitchers'. Sounds like he's serious hitter. I've always liked him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wise Master Buehrle Posted October 20, 2004 Share Posted October 20, 2004 If they need an SS and 1B, what about a trade with Wilson Valdez and Ross Gload or something along the lines. If we traded PK too though, I'd want to keep Gload. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 20, 2004 Share Posted October 20, 2004 If they need an SS and 1B, what about a trade with Wilson Valdez and Ross Gload or something along the lines. If we traded PK too though, I'd want to keep Gload. Valdez and Gload for Wells? There would have to be a lot more than that for Toronto to even start to listen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted October 20, 2004 Share Posted October 20, 2004 Please get Hunter out of the AL Central. Wells' contract: 2005: $2.9 million 2006: $4.3 million 2007: $5.6 million I'm guessing it would take quite a bit to get Vernon considering he is signed for 3 more years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted October 20, 2004 Author Share Posted October 20, 2004 Either would be a great addition. I do think you are right when you say that the Twins probably won't trade Hunter to the Sox. Wells would be a dream. The man can flat out hit, I don't understand why Toronto would trade this guy. He is still relatively cheap(although I think he is arb. eligible this offseason), very young, and too talented to give up. They will probably look for a kings ransom in return, but I do think he should definately be option. The Jays have a lot of interesting parts that could interest the Sox as well(as part of a huge deal). Hudson at 2B is a guy I wanted the Sox to pursue last offseason. Solid defensively, has some pop, can hit for average, has seen his walk total increase each year(solid .340 OBP last year), decent speed, still young(26), and relatively cheap. Batista might be included in a deal. The Sox showed interest in him last offseason, and with his so-so year last year(almost identical to Garland) he could be available and part of a deal(decent option as a 5th starter). I still can't believe that Wells would be traded. Did the article say why the Jays were willing to trade him? The article was looking at Ana. and what they needed to do. I suspect that Alexis Rios is a CFer, and Wells can't play a corner spot. With only 1 HR this yr for Rios, and with Reed Johnson coming on for LF or RF, and Frank Catalanotto signed for 2005 and 2006, it could make Wells odd man out. But I suspect the Jays would want to fill a lot of holes, ala the Richie Sexton deal. PK alone wouldn't do it, as he's a FA in 2006. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesox61382 Posted October 20, 2004 Share Posted October 20, 2004 Seeing how no big name FA's would go to Tor, their only hope is to fill spots via trade. Though I'd like to see Lee go over PK, it's something I could live with. [though I'd still like to see Lee go even if something like this came to be]. ESPN's profile listed something to the effect that Wells is 'a cerebral player, who studies pitchers'. Sounds like he's serious hitter. I've always liked him. I doubt that Toronto would be interested in either Konerko or Lee. Why would they trade for Konerko when they can probably resign Delgado for about 9M? Why would they want Lee in return for Wells when they are very similar talent/statistic wise with the only difference being that Wells is younger and much cheaper. My guess is that Toronto would be interested in major league ready prospects to fill other holes(with pitching being a top priority). They might have some interest in a guy like Garland or a decent young arm(Cotts/Diaz), but I don't think the Sox have much to offer when it comes to filling Toronto's needs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted October 20, 2004 Author Share Posted October 20, 2004 If they need an SS and 1B, what about a trade with Wilson Valdez and Ross Gload or something along the lines. You'd probably be looking at Uribe, Gload, Garland [or Contreras] +. Tor's mgmt. may be dumb but they're not stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted October 20, 2004 Author Share Posted October 20, 2004 I doubt that Toronto would be interested in either Konerko or Lee. Why would they trade for Konerko when they can probably resign Delgado for about 9M? Why would they want Lee in return for Wells when they are very similar talent/statistic wise with the only difference being that Wells is younger and much cheaper. My guess is that Toronto would be interested in major league ready prospects to fill other holes(with pitching being a top priority). They might have some interest in a guy like Garland or a decent young arm(Cotts/Diaz), but I don't think the Sox have much to offer when it comes to filling Toronto's needs. I haven't heard Delgado going back to Tor. He'll probably want and get a 3, 4 yr deal somewhere. Tor doesn't seem like they're interested in that. I've never said Lee would go Tor. They've got OFers. I mentioned other spots they might need. Both Garland and Contreras have a lot of value. But I think the Sox might give up one of these projects this offseason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted October 20, 2004 Share Posted October 20, 2004 I haven't heard Delgado going back to Tor. He'll probably want and get a 3, 4 yr deal somewhere. Tor doesn't seem like they're interested in that. I've never said Lee would go Tor. They've got OFers. I mentioned other spots they might need. Both Garland and Contreras have a lot of value. But I think the Sox might give up one of these projects this offseason. http://www.sportsnet.ca/mlb/article.jsp?co...015_181411_1436 Report from Marty York (so take it with a grain of salt): Fans of the Toronto Blue Jays should not bid farewell to Carlos Delgado just yet. Jays' president Paul Godfrey told Sportsnet Friday that he and the agent for Delgado have started discussions and agree that there is a possibility the veteran slugger will re-sign with Toronto. "We (agent David Sloane and Godfrey) have decided to work closely together over the next few weeks to try and find an arrangement where Carlos can stay," Godfrey said. "There's a clear mutual interest in him staying here and not going elsewhere. But we have to work with the available dollars we have. I think there's definite interest on both sides." Godfrey does not usually get heavily involved in contract negotiations, leaving the responsibility to general manager J.P. Ricciardi. "But David Sloane and I are friends and have been for a while," Godfrey said. "And, also, I was very involved in Carlos' last contract negotiations." Delgado is at the end of a four-year, $68-million US contract. While some expect the first baseman will be too expensive for the Blue Jays to keep in Toronto, the team's payroll will be boosted slightly to $53 million for 2005. "J.P. is plugged in totally on these talks," Godfrey said. "He will be consulted by me. But I will handle them for the ball club." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted October 20, 2004 Share Posted October 20, 2004 According to sporting weekly the rangers offered teixeira for wells straight up. But blue jays fans are saying that it may be the only deal that makes sense because they are both young and both have 3-4 years left on their contracts. Rios could go to center and gonzalez could fill in at first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted October 20, 2004 Share Posted October 20, 2004 Garland, Gload & Uribe for Wells and a PTBNL would work for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted October 20, 2004 Share Posted October 20, 2004 Garland, Gload & Uribe for Wells and a PTBNL would work for me. Way too much, then we would have created 2 and a half holes . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted October 20, 2004 Share Posted October 20, 2004 The Jays need pitching help badly, so Garland would defenitly be in the deal, mabye Contraeas. Conteras would be excellent so that we could free up some money. But from what i heard they are all about getting rid or players that make alot of money not the pther way around. There is no chance in hell they trade wells. If they do it is utter stupidity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted October 20, 2004 Author Share Posted October 20, 2004 Jays' president Paul Godfrey told Sportsnet Friday that he and the agent for Delgado have started discussions and agree that there is a possibility the veteran slugger will re-sign with Toronto. "We (agent David Sloane and Godfrey) have decided to work closely together over the next few weeks to try and find an arrangement where Carlos can stay," Godfrey said. "There's a clear mutual interest in him staying here and not going elsewhere. But we have to work with the available dollars we have. I think there's definite interest on both sides." "We have to work w/ the available dollars we have" means Delgado is going to get a better offer that Tor. won't match, prob $9, 10 mill a yr. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted October 20, 2004 Share Posted October 20, 2004 "We have to work w/ the available dollars we have" means Delgado is going to get a better offer that Tor. won't match, prob $9, 10 mill a yr. Only really interested teams i think are gonna be the blue jays and the dodgers and if it comes down to them and it is a difference of 5-10 million dollars over the entire deal i think he would be willing to go back with the blue jays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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