whitesox61382 Posted October 20, 2004 Share Posted October 20, 2004 Only really interested teams i think are gonna be the blue jays and the dodgers and if it comes down to them and it is a difference of 5-10 million dollars over the entire deal i think he would be willing to go back with the blue jays. Baltimore is also interested in Delgado, and they might be the favorites to land him. From what I hear, they are planning on letting Palmerio walk, and are going to focus their attention on landing a big bat. The three names that continue to pop up are Delgado, Beltran, and Maggs, but Delgado and Beltran would be better fits since they are lefty(Beltran switch) and because they don't have the health concerns that Maggs has. Look for Baltimore to get at least one of those 3 this offseason(my guess is Maggs). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted October 20, 2004 Share Posted October 20, 2004 Baltimore is also interested in Delgado, and they might be the favorites to land him. From what I hear, they are planning on letting Palmerio walk, and are going to focus their attention on landing a big bat. The three names that continue to pop up are Delgado, Beltran, and Maggs, but Delgado and Beltran would be better fits since they are lefty(Beltran switch) and because they don't have the health concerns that Maggs has. Look for Baltimore to get at least one of those 3 this offseason(my guess is Maggs). Ya, you are right i forgot about baltimore letting palmerio go. The o's are stupid if they after another big bat, their offense will be just fine with a smaller pick-up. They really need to address their pitching problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted October 20, 2004 Share Posted October 20, 2004 According to sporting weekly the rangers offered teixeira for wells straight up. They are both gonna be great players. Unless we give them an Anderson or a Sweeney along with Garland, I highly doubt that they deal with us. That deal would make sense for both teams so they can don't have to sign Delgado. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxin' Posted October 20, 2004 Share Posted October 20, 2004 We already have one of the best CFers in the American League. I would pass on Wells unless Lee is traded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greasywheels121 Posted October 20, 2004 Share Posted October 20, 2004 I'm surprised the Twins would think of trading Torii. He is the Twins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 20, 2004 Share Posted October 20, 2004 I'm surprised the Twins would think of trading Torii. He is the Twins. He is also $8 million a year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted October 20, 2004 Share Posted October 20, 2004 He is also $8 million a year. Hunter on the block means they value SP more than fielding... They likely have the bats to replace hunter, but they don't have the arm to replace Radke. They have tons of OF options. Lew Ford could play center, Stewart in Left, and Kubel in right, and not really drop off offensively. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted October 20, 2004 Share Posted October 20, 2004 Hunter on the block means they value SP more than fielding... They likely have the bats to replace hunter, but they don't have the arm to replace Radke. They have tons of OF options. Lew Ford could play center, Stewart in Left, and Kubel in right, and not really drop off offensively. They'd almost undoubtedly improve offensively. What scares me the most about Minnesota is that they could be much better next year. They'll have Joe Mays back...he's a Sox killer and a decent starter, Lohse will probably have an improvement upon last year, Silva will be better with a full year of starting under his belt, and Johan might be just as dominant again next year, and the bullpen will be deeper as well, while the offense won't skip a beat in all likelyhood(or may improve with a full year of Morneau and maybe Mauer if he can stay healthy) They could be scary good next year...not sure even Beltran could save the Sox..but we gotta hope he, or something, can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted October 20, 2004 Share Posted October 20, 2004 Umm, if the Sox even call the Jays they better be willing to offer Konerko and McCarthy and possibly more. And to be honest, I highly doubt they would want Konerko's contract. I could see a type of 3 way where Konerko went somewhere for prospects, the prospects along with a prospect from the Sox went to Toronto and Wells came to the SouthSide, but thats too much speculation from me. He's a good player and is signed to a very very fair contract. Just realize its gonna take some really good prospects, plus a star prospect to get him, imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted October 20, 2004 Share Posted October 20, 2004 Hunter on the block means they value SP more than fielding... They likely have the bats to replace hunter, but they don't have the arm to replace Radke. They have tons of OF options. Lew Ford could play center, Stewart in Left, and Kubel in right, and not really drop off offensively. Plus they still have Jacque Jones as an option, unless they decide to trade him as well which is a definate possibility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 21, 2004 Share Posted October 21, 2004 Hunter on the block means they value SP more than fielding... They likely have the bats to replace hunter, but they don't have the arm to replace Radke. They have tons of OF options. Lew Ford could play center, Stewart in Left, and Kubel in right, and not really drop off offensively. Think about the s***hole that was their fifth starter this year. They had it every bit as bad as we did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesox61382 Posted October 21, 2004 Share Posted October 21, 2004 They'd almost undoubtedly improve offensively. What scares me the most about Minnesota is that they could be much better next year. They'll have Joe Mays back...he's a Sox killer and a decent starter, Lohse will probably have an improvement upon last year, Silva will be better with a full year of starting under his belt, and Johan might be just as dominant again next year, and the bullpen will be deeper as well, while the offense won't skip a beat in all likelyhood(or may improve with a full year of Morneau and maybe Mauer if he can stay healthy) They could be scary good next year...not sure even Beltran could save the Sox..but we gotta hope he, or something, can. The Twins deserve a lot of credit, and barring any significant changes they will easily be the team to beat in this division next year. The way they continue to develop offensive players is amazing. They could lose Hunter and Jones in the outfield and possible improve offensively, which is a scary thought. With that said, I think you are overdoing it a little. Mays is not a good pitcher. Sure he beats the Sox, but against the rest of the league he is terrible. His 2001 season was a fluke. Look at his ERA in the other four seasons('99 4.37, '00 5.56, '02 5.38, '03 6.30). Not to mention the fact that few pitchers come back from major surgury(having missed an entire season) and pitch like their pre-surgury self. I actually think that Mays will be a liability if the Twins ask him to be a middle of the rotation starter. I think the Twins have lost some faith in Mays and he might start off in the pen. The point beind that Mays does NOT really improve the Twins in any way(IMO). Saying that Lohse is going to be better next year is like saying Garland will be better next year. Both of these guys are extremely inconsistant and regressed from their previous years performance. It is nearly impossible to accurately predict how either will fare this upcoming season. The fact is that Lohse is not a guarantee to improve. Again, Silva is far from a guarantee to improve, and you simple can't say that he has to be better since last year was his 1st as a starter. That arguement holds no water. The fact is, that if Silva doesn't lower his Opp. BA(.310) and/or WHIP(1.43), than Silva will see a significant increase in his ERA. Based on his peripherals, he was LUCKY to post an ERA as low as 4.21. If I was a betting man, than I would put a lot of money on Silva having a higher ERA next year(I am simple amazed that opponents hit over .300 against him and yet he was lucky enough to post a 4.21 ERA). I am curious as to why you think there bullpen will improve(or were you simple on a role with the Twins improving that you decided not to stop at the bullpen - without giving a reason to support this opinion). I do think Nathan is legit(had him as my #1 closer in fantasy baseball since day 1 of this season), but it is highly unlikely that he will post a 1.62 ERA next year. The fact is that he really has nowhere to go except up. I like Crain as well, but it is unlikely that he will post an ERA of 2.00 next year. Romero will also likely be hard pressed to duplicate his 2.63 ERA. My arguement is that they have nowhere to go but up. Don't get me wrong, the Twins will still have one of the top pens in the game, but I highly doubt they will be as dominate as this past year(most of those guys drasticly overachieved). The Twins offense, defense, and bullpen should all be positives, but their starting pitching is a huge question mark, especially if they don't resign Radke(or sign another quality starter) or get another quality starter via trade. They will definately be a very good team, but don't give up hope this early. Lets see what the Sox management has up their sleeves for this offseason first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted October 21, 2004 Share Posted October 21, 2004 If the Rangers are willing to move Texiera, there's the guy we should go after. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted October 21, 2004 Share Posted October 21, 2004 If the Rangers are willing to move Texiera, there's the guy we should go after. I saw that too and I can't believe that the Rangers would be that stupid (again) to trade him. IIRC, they are going to move him to the OF next year and call up a 1B prospect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted October 21, 2004 Share Posted October 21, 2004 If the Rangers are willing to move Texiera, there's the guy we should go after. Isn't he a Boras client though, just throwing that out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted October 21, 2004 Author Share Posted October 21, 2004 Hunter on the block means they value SP more than fielding... They likely have the bats to replace hunter, but they don't have the arm to replace Radke. They have tons of OF options. Lew Ford could play center, Stewart in Left, and Kubel in right, and not really drop off offensively. With a trade of Hunter [and probably Jones--I could see the Cubs going after him] the Twins would free up money to sign Radke. Most likely the Twins would stock pile pitching with these trades Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted October 21, 2004 Author Share Posted October 21, 2004 They could be scary good next year...not sure even Beltran could save the Sox..but we gotta hope he, or something, can. The Sox aren't a "beltran" away from beating the Twins. They need a few more Rowand type position players and Buehrle type pitchers who don't beat themselves, competitors who give the Sox a chance to win everyday by contributing even if they go 0 for 4 or give up 5 runs in 6 IP. If the Sox build their roster, they won't have to worry about who's on the Twins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 21, 2004 Share Posted October 21, 2004 I saw that too and I can't believe that the Rangers would be that stupid (again) to trade him. IIRC, they are going to move him to the OF next year and call up a 1B prospect. Don't they have a big time 1B prospect coming through the system? Adrian Gonzalez, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted October 21, 2004 Author Share Posted October 21, 2004 Don't they have a big time 1B prospect coming through the system? Adrian Gonzalez, right? You are correct. Gonzalez came over from FLA in the Urbina trade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted October 21, 2004 Share Posted October 21, 2004 You are correct. Gonzalez came over from FLA in the Urbina trade I heard he was still struggling to get over his hand injuries though. Didn't they have another 1b prospect who was hitting really well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 21, 2004 Share Posted October 21, 2004 You are correct. Gonzalez came over from FLA in the Urbina trade Thanks B. It makes sense to me. They are going to be giving a big raise to Soriano again, they are still on the hook for ARod money, not to mention Park's horrible contract. They have got to be thinking that they can win the west with somemore pitching. They weren't that far away from the playoffs. To me trading from strength is not a bad idea in their case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted October 21, 2004 Share Posted October 21, 2004 Thanks B. It makes sense to me. They are going to be giving a big raise to Soriano again, they are still on the hook for ARod money, not to mention Park's horrible contract. They have got to be thinking that they can win the west with somemore pitching. They weren't that far away from the playoffs. To me trading from strength is not a bad idea in their case. I think I've heard rumors the Cubs could be interested in Park if the Rangers decide to eat up most of the remaining part of his contract, Mike Hampton style. Park goes back to the NL, it'd be interesting to watch. So there could be 3 trades possibly for the Rangers, but you wouldn't think they'd trade BOTH Soriano and Teixeira, you'd be losing a lot of offensive production right there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 21, 2004 Share Posted October 21, 2004 I think I've heard rumors the Cubs could be interested in Park if the Rangers decide to eat up most of the remaining part of his contract, Mike Hampton style. Park goes back to the NL, it'd be interesting to watch. So there could be 3 trades possibly for the Rangers, but you wouldn't think they'd trade BOTH Soriano and Teixeira, you'd be losing a lot of offensive production right there. I would guess they would try to hold onto Soriano as middle infielders are much more difficult to replace, and they have potential replacements for Texiera. I hadn't heard anything about Park, but if I were the Cubs I wouldn't even be touching him. He was a product of that big ballpark in LA. Maybe I'd look at him if I were the Tigers, but no way I touch him in a small ball park. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted October 21, 2004 Author Share Posted October 21, 2004 I heard he was still struggling to get over his hand injuries though. Didn't they have another 1b prospect who was hitting really well? FLA does, a Jason Stokes. But I don't know about Tex. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted October 21, 2004 Author Share Posted October 21, 2004 Thanks B. It makes sense to me. They are going to be giving a big raise to Soriano again, they are still on the hook for ARod money, not to mention Park's horrible contract. They have got to be thinking that they can win the west with somemore pitching. They weren't that far away from the playoffs. To me trading from strength is not a bad idea in their case. Moving Texiera for pitching would be very smart. Esp if they can't move Soriano [which isn't likely]. But Texiera for Wells wouldn't be a bad move for them either, if they get pitching elsewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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