DBAHO Posted October 21, 2004 Share Posted October 21, 2004 From the St. Paul Pioneer Press, Pssst: The Twins are eyeing free-agent shortstop Omar Vizquel, 37, whose contract was bought out by the Cleveland Indians, if they can't re-sign Cristian Guzman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butter Parque Posted October 21, 2004 Share Posted October 21, 2004 Those f's better not steal him from us. On a good note, if their scouts like him, then he has something left in his tank. You can always use the twins organization as a bar for hown good someone is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchetman Posted October 21, 2004 Share Posted October 21, 2004 when's the last time the twins outbid anyone for a FA? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 21, 2004 Share Posted October 21, 2004 when's the last time the twins outbid anyone for a FA? Kenny Rogers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngelasDaddy0427 Posted October 21, 2004 Share Posted October 21, 2004 Those f's better not steal him from us. On a good note, if their scouts like him, then he has something left in his tank. You can always use the twins organization as a bar for hown good someone is. Steal him from us.... Are you kidding? Ok....If we fail to sign him we have the best young defensive infield in baseball. Juan Uribe at SS who will give us a .280+ Average and 25+ HR's and Willie Harris at 2B who next year I'm sure can get himself over .280+ and this year had a .340+ OBP. If we sign Omar Vizquel (Who failed a physical with Seattle just last year!). Will bat at best .250. sub .300 OBP. He will get lazy and complacent. You guys don't get it this was his last Hurrrah! IT WAS A CONTRACT YEAR. Do you really think he's going to care about Winning at this point. It's all about him! Let them have that son of a b****. We're better off! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted October 21, 2004 Share Posted October 21, 2004 Let them have that son of a b****. :headshake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngelasDaddy0427 Posted October 21, 2004 Share Posted October 21, 2004 I just don't see the point of investing in a 38 year old short stop who has no real motivation to really try to do anything with us. I don't want to see another Robbie Alomar. There are plenty of short stops I wouldn't mind seeing us get. Edgar Renteria, Rafael Furcal, Orlando Cabrera. All of these make us stronger at the top of the order. The problem is I don't see that with Omar. His best years are behind him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted October 21, 2004 Share Posted October 21, 2004 I just don't see the point of investing in a 38 year old short stop who has no real motivation to really try to do anything with us. I don't want to see another Robbie Alomar. There are plenty of short stops I wouldn't mind seeing us get. Edgar Renteria, Rafael Furcal, Orlando Cabrera. All of these make us stronger at the top of the order. The problem is I don't see that with Omar. His best years are behind him. So why not make your point without calling the guy "a son of a b****"..? Would you like it for us to call your mom a b****? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wise Master Buehrle Posted October 21, 2004 Share Posted October 21, 2004 I just don't see the point of investing in a 38 year old short stop who has no real motivation to really try to do anything with us. I don't want to see another Robbie Alomar. There are plenty of short stops I wouldn't mind seeing us get. Edgar Renteria, Rafael Furcal, Orlando Cabrera. All of these make us stronger at the top of the order. The problem is I don't see that with Omar. His best years are behind him. A good veteran leader, team player, and knows the intangibles of baseball. I'll take him for 1 or 2 years. He knows how to field too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted October 21, 2004 Share Posted October 21, 2004 A good veteran leader, team player, and knows the intangibles of baseball. I'll take him for 1 or 2 years. He knows how to field too. Zero, your avitar skeerrsss me.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted October 21, 2004 Share Posted October 21, 2004 I just don't see the point of investing in a 38 year old short stop who has no real motivation to really try to do anything with us. I don't want to see another Robbie Alomar. There are plenty of short stops I wouldn't mind seeing us get. Edgar Renteria, Rafael Furcal, Orlando Cabrera. All of these make us stronger at the top of the order. The problem is I don't see that with Omar. His best years are behind him. Cabrera is easily one of the most overated players in baseball. Also just so you know he played well in his contrect year but he is 37, he knows 37 year olds do not get very large contracts. If he was around 32,33 maybe but not 37. I feel when vizquel starts sucking he will retire unlike roberto alomar, because vizquel is not just sticking around and collecting a paycheck while hurting his team to get his 3000th hit. Basically vizquel is still playing because he can still play at a pretty high level and roberto alomar is still play bec ause he think he is gonna make the hall of fame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamTell Posted October 21, 2004 Share Posted October 21, 2004 Damn those Twins, always trying to get involved in our business the only thing different is that he'd hit over 300 and be a gold glover up in Minnesota. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted October 21, 2004 Share Posted October 21, 2004 Rather than the Twins being the "favorites" to land him, I'd think Sea. might be able to get Vizquel now that Hargrove is managing there. I've heard Vizquel lives out west. But the Sox would fit in well with what Vizquel is probably looking for: a 2 yr deal, play for a contender. Who knows what else he's looking for and if the sox match up. But the fact that the sox play in the AL central and he's familiar w/ the league may play a part. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamTell Posted October 21, 2004 Share Posted October 21, 2004 Him going out to Seattle would make sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted October 21, 2004 Share Posted October 21, 2004 I just don't see the point of investing in a 38 year old short stop who has no real motivation to really try to do anything with us. I don't want to see another Robbie Alomar. There are plenty of short stops I wouldn't mind seeing us get. Edgar Renteria, Rafael Furcal, Orlando Cabrera. All of these make us stronger at the top of the order. The problem is I don't see that with Omar. His best years are behind him. You need to get a clue....... Omar is not Robbie. Guilt by association is often incorrect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted October 21, 2004 Share Posted October 21, 2004 You need to get a clue....... Omar is not Robbie. Guilt by association is often incorrect. How true that is Rex.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted October 21, 2004 Share Posted October 21, 2004 Rather than the Twins being the "favorites" to land him, I'd think Sea. might be able to get Vizquel now that Hargrove is managing there. I've heard Vizquel lives out west. But the Sox would fit in well with what Vizquel is probably looking for: a 2 yr deal, play for a contender. Who knows what else he's looking for and if the sox match up. But the fact that the sox play in the AL central and he's familiar w/ the league may play a part. Some thoughts on Omar....... -- He is interested in the Sox. To what degree, I am not sure, but I know he has interest. -- He would still like to stay in Cleveland if possible. He knew his option would not be picked up. If Cleveland would give him a halfway decent deal, he would stay in a heartbeat. -- Staying in Cleveland isn't likely because Omar would like at least a two year deal. They will likely only offer him one year. -- Omar and Ozzie both being Venezuelan will help the Sox, but Ozzie is not the only reason he would come here. He likes the city of Chicago. -- All players care about the money, but Omar is not "all about the money" like many others. -- He hates batting leadoff, so the Sox plans could have an impact on their ability to sign him. -- Health is not an issue. He had a shoulder problem early in the season, but that has healed and he is in the best shape he has ever been. -- He is still very productive and one of the best defensive SS in the game. -- Omar never was, nor never will be the type of hitter that Nomar, ARod, are. Don't expect it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AddisonStSox Posted October 21, 2004 Share Posted October 21, 2004 -- Omar never was, nor never will be the type of hitter that Nomar, ARod, are. Don't expect it. He's not!?!? Forget him then. I thought SS was a hitters position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackie hayes Posted October 21, 2004 Share Posted October 21, 2004 -- Omar never was, nor never will be the type of hitter that Nomar, ARod, are. Don't expect it. Oh, c'mon, I don't recall anyone making those comparisons. The real problem is that Omar is not the type of hitter that Omar was, nor the type of fielder. One good year after 3 so-so (at best) years is not worth $3 mil a year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wise Master Buehrle Posted October 21, 2004 Share Posted October 21, 2004 Oh, c'mon, I don't recall anyone making those comparisons. The real problem is that Omar is not the type of hitter that Omar was, nor the type of fielder. One good year after 3 so-so (at best) years is not worth $3 mil a year. Put payroll out of your mind. Pretend, for the moment, that payroll doesn't exist. You wouldn't take a veteran, who, unlike Roberto Alomar, is a team player and, even if he does stink it up, would be an excellent bench presence, as well as pinch hitter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hitlesswonder Posted October 21, 2004 Share Posted October 21, 2004 Put payroll out of your mind. Pretend, for the moment, that payroll doesn't exist. You wouldn't take a veteran, who, unlike Roberto Alomar, is a team player and, even if he does stink it up, would be an excellent bench presence, as well as pinch hitter. But payroll does exist, and because of the Sox payroll constraints (self-imposed or not) they need to be careful. I know Rex said Vizquel is healthy now, but he's not young and it's a gamble as to whether or not he'll stay healthy. The fact that he couldn't pass a physical at the beginning of last season is worrisome. Also, I'm sure he would be a great bench player, but 3 million a year for two years is way too much to pay for that in my opinion. I think there's a good chance that defensively and offesively Uribe will be better than Vizquel over the next 2 years. I know people will say that Vizquel brings leadership and clubhouse presence which Uribe lacks and maybe that's true, I have no way of knowing. If Vizquel were willing to lead off, signing him would be more appealing to me. But I just don't like the idea of paying a bunch of money to a player who, even though he's been very good, is 38 years old and plays the same position as a 25 year-old with a good glove who just posted an .800 OPS. The bottom line for me is that the Sox have bigger holes at SP and C than SS. I think it would be better to spend money on those spots. I will say that I think Rex knows a whole lot more about baseball than I do, so there's probably a good chance that I'm wrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butter Parque Posted October 21, 2004 Share Posted October 21, 2004 ....If we fail to sign him we have the best young defensive infield in baseball. I'll let everyone else answer this statement for me, Jeckle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted October 21, 2004 Share Posted October 21, 2004 But payroll does exist, and because of the Sox payroll constraints (self-imposed or not) they need to be careful. I know Rex said Vizquel is healthy now, but he's not young and it's a gamble as to whether or not he'll stay healthy. The fact that he couldn't pass a physical at the beginning of last season is worrisome. Also, I'm sure he would be a great bench player, but 3 million a year for two years is way too much to pay for that in my opinion. I think there's a good chance that defensively and offesively Uribe will be better than Vizquel over the next 2 years. I know people will say that Vizquel brings leadership and clubhouse presence which Uribe lacks and maybe that's true, I have no way of knowing. If Vizquel were willing to lead off, signing him would be more appealing to me. But I just don't like the idea of paying a bunch of money to a player who, even though he's been very good, is 38 years old and plays the same position as a 25 year-old with a good glove who just posted an .800 OPS. The bottom line for me is that the Sox have bigger holes at SP and C than SS. I think it would be better to spend money on those spots. I will say that I think Rex knows a whole lot more about baseball than I do, so there's probably a good chance that I'm wrong Put it this way......... if the Sox go out and sign Vizquel or any other free agent SS, it means that THEY don't think Uribe is ready to handle SS everyday. If they thought Uribe playing SS everyday would be thier best option to make the team better, then they will. So making comparisons to what Omar can do versus Juan is pretty much a moot point. It will boil down to whether the Sox brass thinks they would be a better team with him as their starting SS or in a different role. I really don't see why a guy failing a physical a year ago bothers you. He played a full season and played well. It is a year later and there were no physical problems (other than shoulder stiffness early on, which has healed). IF Omar had a bad year this year, then I might be worried he is playing hurt and the failed physical might concern me. But there is no evidence that he is anything but healthy. I am not, nor am I now insinuating that Omar is the only answer for the Sox. I don't know what KW has up his sleeve nor what his budget is. IF he can afford to go get a better, younger SS and still afford to make other changes that are necessary, then I say go for it. Omar just seems to be a good fit based on what we know now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wise Master Buehrle Posted October 21, 2004 Share Posted October 21, 2004 I look at it this way. With Juan starting the season in a utility role, he gives us some insurance in case Crede or Harris don't get better. Juan can play 2B and 3B too, and could easily split time with Willie or Joe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Tizzle Posted October 21, 2004 Share Posted October 21, 2004 I look at it this way. With Juan starting the season in a utility role, he gives us some insurance in case Crede or Harris don't get better. Juan can play 2B and 3B too, and could easily split time with Willie or Joe. Harris is the one who should be filling the utility role. Juan deserves a starting position in either 2B or SS; whichever position is not filled via FA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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