AddisonStSox Posted October 24, 2004 Share Posted October 24, 2004 Does anyone else think Ozzie's takes on his pitchers from 04' are all right-on. He nailed each and every one of them. That makes me excited in and of itself, because I think Ozzie is a lot more together than we all think. He was a first year manager, he made some first year mistakes, yet, I think he will come back a better manager and more prepared for this season. Now, the Johnson thing. I don't know about you all, but I never thought we were going to get Freddy. We were "talked about," but no one in the media thought we were gonna snag him...the media thought he was halfway in New York pinstripes by the time they announced the Olivo/Reed deal. I think KW will try to put something together, the best he can...but, the Yankees, and probably some other teams will be doing the same. The only thing that makes me think the Sox are NOT the right fit is that the Diamondbacks said they want a catcher out of the deal. The Sox can't give them that at this point in time. Look for a Milton type, or Ortiz ( :puke ) for next year. Some player who is "known" around the league, but JR won't have to pay a boat-load for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted October 24, 2004 Share Posted October 24, 2004 From espn insider... Randy Johnson Diamondbacks White Sox Yankees Oct. 24 - Starting pitching is the No. 1 priority of the White Sox this offseason. GM Ken Williams wants to add a solid front-line starter to the rotation, and according to the Daily Southtown, the Big Unit tops the wish list. Once the Hot Stove season begins, Williams will talk to Arizona about acquiring left-handed ace Randy Johnson for next season. Johnson -- who has one more year on his current deal ($16.5 million in 2005) -- has the right to veto a trade. If he opts to stay put in Arizona or go somewhere other than the South Side, Williams will turn his attention toward free agency. The list of free-agent starting pitchers includes Pedro Martinez, Carl Pavano, Odalis Perez, Eric Milton, Wilson Alvarez, Russ Ortiz and Derek Lowe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisox05 Posted October 24, 2004 Share Posted October 24, 2004 From espn insider... Randy Johnson Diamondbacks White Sox Yankees Oct. 24 - Starting pitching is the No. 1 priority of the White Sox this offseason. GM Ken Williams wants to add a solid front-line starter to the rotation, and according to the Daily Southtown, the Big Unit tops the wish list. Once the Hot Stove season begins, Williams will talk to Arizona about acquiring left-handed ace Randy Johnson for next season. Johnson -- who has one more year on his current deal ($16.5 million in 2005) -- has the right to veto a trade. If he opts to stay put in Arizona or go somewhere other than the South Side, Williams will turn his attention toward free agency. The list of free-agent starting pitchers includes Pedro Martinez, Carl Pavano, Odalis Perez, Eric Milton, Wilson Alvarez, Russ Ortiz and Derek Lowe. hey, do you think you could pm me your username and password for insider??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted October 24, 2004 Share Posted October 24, 2004 hey, do you think you could pm me your username and password for insider??? I actually don't have insider that was sent to me from a friend. Try this from bugmenot... http://bugmenot.com/view.php?url=http%3A%2...insider%2Findex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greasywheels121 Posted October 24, 2004 Share Posted October 24, 2004 Thanks for posting that WH1. Also, KW is the man. We definitely need a guy like that to push a couple guys in our rotation down a slot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubKilla Posted October 24, 2004 Share Posted October 24, 2004 When you have several other teams in the bidding, the price goes up. That's business 101. I'd like to know what other teams were trying to outbid KW for Todd Ritchie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubKilla Posted October 24, 2004 Share Posted October 24, 2004 Also, KW is the man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubKilla Posted October 24, 2004 Share Posted October 24, 2004 We beat them out by getting Garcia. I have no doubt in my mind we can do the same for Randy even though I'm really sure we'll trade more than we have to. Garcia came to the White Sox and signed a $9 million per deal because of Ozzie and the new ties to the Guillen family. The fact that he signed a deal during the '04 season before testing the market is proof enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted October 24, 2004 Share Posted October 24, 2004 Garcia came to the White Sox No. He didn't just say "Oh trade me to the sox for a bag of balls please." We were in the heat of a race, and we needed a top of the line starter. KW traded talent to get talent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubKilla Posted October 24, 2004 Share Posted October 24, 2004 No. He didn't just say "Oh trade me to the sox for a bag of balls please." We were in the heat of a race, and we needed a top of the line starter. KW traded talent to get talent. The Mariners weren't just going to give him away :rolly . And that still doesn't negate my assertion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkokieSox Posted October 24, 2004 Share Posted October 24, 2004 Garcia came to the White Sox and signed a $9 million per deal because of Ozzie and the new ties to the Guillen family. The fact that he signed a deal during the '04 season before testing the market is proof enough. So how was KW dumb for that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkokieSox Posted October 24, 2004 Share Posted October 24, 2004 I'd like to know what other teams were trying to outbid KW for Todd Ritchie Nothing like a small sample size to try to prove a point. :rolly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butter Parque Posted October 24, 2004 Share Posted October 24, 2004 Its going to be a fun winter!!! P.S. Don't go after a 40 year old picher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted October 24, 2004 Share Posted October 24, 2004 We do know that Lee and Garland would almost have to be part of the trade. Guillen has suggested his growing frustration with Garland, and it has basically been said by the organization that Lee is tradeable. I've always felt that Lee was a more valuable piece to the puzzle then Konerko, and that Konerko should be the one to go. But do you think Zona would take a Garland and Konerko plus prospects for Johnson trade? To me, Garland and Lee looks much better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkokieSox Posted October 24, 2004 Share Posted October 24, 2004 We do know that Lee and Garland would almost have to be part of the trade. Guillen has suggested his growing frustration with Garland, and it has basically been said by the organization that Lee is tradeable. I've always felt that Lee was a more valuable piece to the puzzle then Konerko, and that Konerko should be the one to go. But do you think Zona would take a Garland and Konerko plus prospects for Johnson trade? To me, Garland and Lee looks much better. I think that's an over estimation of what it would if take IMO. And if it did take Lee, Garland, and prospect, we would probably get more in return than Johnson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisox05 Posted October 24, 2004 Share Posted October 24, 2004 At the deadline, AZ said just to START a deal, Rowand and Garland would have to be in the deal, no questions asked. That price would come down a little, based on just 1 more year for RJ, and it was in the heat of the deadline. But I think you UNDERestimate what RJ would command. If he commanded anything more than garland id be shocked. He is getting paid 16 million!!!! That is probly what he would be paid if he was in free agency........Meaning we shouldnt have to give up much for paying for FACE VALUE! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punch and Judy Garland Posted October 24, 2004 Share Posted October 24, 2004 Remember, you have to sell season tickets in Arizona. I think to give up Johnson, they'd want Lee or Konerko (assuming they can't resign Sexson). I don't like trading Garland because then we still need another starter. If we can give up Lee/Konerko and then top prospects I would do it in a heartbeat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisox05 Posted October 24, 2004 Share Posted October 24, 2004 So your saying you think AZ would do a Garland-Randy Johnson trade stright up?? There is a quarter, buy a clue. Yes, if u have any idea how salaries work in mlb. Johnson would be getting paid around 16 million if he were a free agent. He is getting paid 16 million, meaning he is worth what he is getting paid. also meaning that if we gave up practically anything, dbacks would be getting a good deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted October 24, 2004 Share Posted October 24, 2004 Does that not make sense to anyone, or am I just being thick headed today???? I'm with you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted October 24, 2004 Share Posted October 24, 2004 Yes, if u have any idea how salaries work in mlb. Johnson would be getting paid around 16 million if he were a free agent. He is getting paid 16 million, meaning he is worth what he is getting paid. also meaning that if we gave up practically anything, dbacks would be getting a good deal. This is seriously the dumbest post I have ever read. According to you: Trade value =(Player's value - Player's salary) :headshake That is the dumbest argument I've ever heard. I mean seriously.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkokieSox Posted October 24, 2004 Share Posted October 24, 2004 At the deadline, AZ said just to START a deal, Rowand and Garland would have to be in the deal, no questions asked. That price would come down a little, based on just 1 more year for RJ, and it was in the heat of the deadline. But I think you UNDERestimate what RJ would command. Let me rephrase then. The Sox won't trade Lee, Garland, and prospects for RJ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted October 24, 2004 Share Posted October 24, 2004 Yes, if u have any idea how salaries work in mlb. Johnson would be getting paid around 16 million if he were a free agent. He is getting paid 16 million, meaning he is worth what he is getting paid. also meaning that if we gave up practically anything, dbacks would be getting a good deal. You think anything is stopping New York from trading Jorge Posada, Javier Vazquez, about 3 prospects, and $10 mill in cash to New York for Randy? His salary means nothing. We have to outbid the Yankees to get him. That's not gonna be easy. Garland and Lee/Konerko could potentially be a package that gets the deal done(or atleast gets a deal very close to being done), and after that you go about fixing your holes some how, some way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubKilla Posted October 24, 2004 Share Posted October 24, 2004 So how was KW dumb for that? Where did I say KW was dumb for acquiring Garcia? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted October 24, 2004 Share Posted October 24, 2004 Does anybody else have a problem using a paper with a website that looks like it was designed by a 12 year old retard as a source? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted October 24, 2004 Share Posted October 24, 2004 Does anybody else have a problem using a paper with a website that looks like it was designed by a 12 year old retard as a source? ummm, no. It's about the substance not the style. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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