qwerty Posted October 27, 2004 Share Posted October 27, 2004 Well if LA wants to sign Beltre, I don't think they'll be able to sign Sexson or Delgado to a long term deal. I thought Delgado was going back to Toronto, but his best friend is Shawn Green, so I don't know. I was assuming that the D'Backs would sign Sexson, so we couldn't trade them Paulie. If they sign beltre they are gonna get royally screwed i feel. If i was them i would go with a more sure thing, such as delgado or sexon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted October 27, 2004 Share Posted October 27, 2004 Well if LA wants to sign Beltre, I don't think they'll be able to sign Sexson or Delgado to a long term deal. I thought Delgado was going back to Toronto, but his best friend is Shawn Green, so I don't know. I was assuming that the D'Backs would sign Sexson, so we couldn't trade them Paulie. Delgado ain't goin back to Toronto, that's a sure thing. Ownership is cutting payroll and J.P Riccardi will go after pitching. Delgado's probably headed to Baltimore, Seattle or Los Angeles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted October 27, 2004 Share Posted October 27, 2004 Can you imagine? Carl Everett and Milton Bradley in the same clubhouse? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 27, 2004 Share Posted October 27, 2004 Can you imagine? Carl Everett and Milton Bradley in the same clubhouse? Mix some Frank Thomas in there and sell tickets to the pre and post games too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted October 27, 2004 Share Posted October 27, 2004 Found this about RJ from the Newark Stark Ledger. The Chicago White Sox this week expressed some interest in Johnson, but it's believed they can't afford him and would only be acquiring him in order to deal him elsewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 27, 2004 Share Posted October 27, 2004 Found this about RJ from the Newark Stark Ledger. 3 way deal with the Yankees? It would make sense. We could get a Vazquez or Brown out of the deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hitlesswonder Posted October 27, 2004 Share Posted October 27, 2004 Someone on the MLB board brought up the idea of a three way trade. What if Paulie is shipped to LA for a package of prospects including either Greg Miller or Edwin Jackson, and those guys are sent with a couple of Sox prospects to Arizona for RJ? I think LA wouldn't mind seeing RJ leave the NL West. If the Sox could trade for Miller and Jackson, I'd rather they just kept them. That's two excellent pitching prospects under their control for years (fewer in Jackon's case, but still). I know poeple want to win now (I do, too). But unless the Sox raise payroll considerably, they won't be able to do much else if they get RJ. And I think RJ alone (along with the subtraction of whatever talent they give up for him) will not put the Sox over the top next season. I don't think it even necessarily makes them better than the Twins. And either of Miller and Jackson could contribute at the major league level next year. Anyway, it likely doesn't matter since I don't think LA makes that trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hitlesswonder Posted October 27, 2004 Share Posted October 27, 2004 3 way deal with the Yankees? It would make sense. We could get a Vazquez or Brown out of the deal. If they do that, they better get a decent amount of money to pay off a portion of either Brown or Vazquez's contracts (both are big). In the Loaiza trade, the Yankees didn't pay nearly enough of Contreras's contract. IIRC NY shelled out something like 2 million a year for the next 2 years, with Sox taking 6 million a year. NY has money to burn, and I think Williams really should have held out for more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 27, 2004 Share Posted October 27, 2004 I can totally see either one of those guys pitching on the SouthSide next season. Maybe we could some how snatch Navvaro from the Yankees also???? Is that the catching prospect? Because I think Jaime is primed for a comeback. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Godfather Posted October 27, 2004 Share Posted October 27, 2004 If they do that, they better get a decent amount of money to pay off a portion of either Brown or Vazquez's contracts (both are big). In the Loaiza trade, the Yankees didn't pay nearly enough of Contreras's contract. IIRC NY shelled out something like 2 million a year for the next 2 years, with Sox taking 6 million a year. NY has money to burn, and I think Williams really should have held out for more. I think Kenny just wanted to dump Loaiza More then anything else and might have been shocked that somebody even wanted his ass. Couple that with the fact that the Sox think they can fix Contreas and your see why he made the trade even with the yankthese only paying 2 million a year of his contract. I really think that Contreas will be very good this coming season for us I just have a good feeling about this trade that it will work out well for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted October 27, 2004 Share Posted October 27, 2004 Found this about RJ from the Newark Stark Ledger. That would be insane if KW did that. He would have to be getting a f***ing ton for RJ, or he'd have to trade him to a different NL team. If he traded him to an AL team, he should be fired immediately, unless he does indeed get a f***ing ton for RJ. Why would you trade RJ to an AL team when that is the league you have to get through to get to the World Series? Personally...I consider the source of the tidbit. Theya re expressing what they heard, but are putting a Yankee spin on the whole issue. "It is believed" leads me to believe that they don't know this for certain. They can't say that they will be trading him, because that would be a false story. The only fact they have in there is that the Sox expressed interest in RJ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted October 27, 2004 Share Posted October 27, 2004 Personally...I consider the source of the tidbit. IIRC, the Star Ledger was reporting back in spring that Mark Prior would miss the entire 2004 season after undergoing TJS. :rolly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackie hayes Posted October 27, 2004 Share Posted October 27, 2004 I knew that joke was coming; but is that how you spell that prospects name? What is his name? IIRC it's Dioner Navarro. I think he was w/ the AA team this year, hit well, but nothing remarkable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted October 27, 2004 Share Posted October 27, 2004 I'd put it more along these lines. The Sox take on Javier or Brown. Brown makes a s***load more sense since he doesn't have a mega long term deal attached to him. The Yanks pay pretty most of Browns salary and the White Sox send one player of interest the Yanks way (This player of course would be destined to Arizona). That or they'd give up like two guys, one position prospect and a guy like Felix Diaz or what not. I don't know how it would work, but thats the way I would see it happening. Yanks get their guy, Sox get an ace without giving up too much of a ransom, plus his contract is basically paid. Kenny and Cashman have a good working relationship. I think you could see these deal working out a little farther potentially, with the Sox maybe getting a reliever in return. Although the Yanks probably woudln't want to give up any of their good relievers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted October 27, 2004 Share Posted October 27, 2004 IIRC it's Dioner Navarro. I think he was w/ the AA team this year, hit well, but nothing remarkable. I don't have much interest in Niavorro or however its spelled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackie hayes Posted October 27, 2004 Share Posted October 27, 2004 I don't have much interest in Niavorro or however its spelled. I wouldn't give up much for him, but we don't have many catching prospects. Lucy is the only one that comes to mind. Just looking at Navarro's stats, he draws walks and doesn't strike out very often. He doesn't look like a star, but I don't see why he couldn't be a good major leaguer. Not a big deal either way, but I wonder why you wouldn't want him as part of a package. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted October 27, 2004 Share Posted October 27, 2004 Lucy is the only one that comes to mind. 2 words. Francisco Hernandez. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted October 27, 2004 Share Posted October 27, 2004 I wouldn't give up much for him, but we don't have many catching prospects. Lucy is the only one that comes to mind. Just looking at Navarro's stats, he draws walks and doesn't strike out very often. He doesn't look like a star, but I don't see why he couldn't be a good major leaguer. Not a big deal either way, but I wonder why you wouldn't want him as part of a package. Because I don't think the Sox are going to acquire RJ and then ship him across. I think it would be a 3 way deal if it went down. Plus I think Niavarro is yet another overhyped prospect in the Yanks system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackie hayes Posted October 27, 2004 Share Posted October 27, 2004 2 words. Fransisco Hernandez. Yup. Thanks for pointing this out, I hadn't looked at these stats. But it is a little worrisome that our 2 best prospects were only in Rookie leagues this season. I'm not saying that the RJ trade would work this way, I think that's pure fantasy. I just meant, he's not a bad fit if he is available and didn't require any big sacrifice. As for being overhyped, I don't know -- I've heard so many times that the Yankees were overselling him, that my first impression was that the guy must be really marginal. I mean, I never heard anywhere, "Navarro's a really good prospect." I only heard "Navarro's not a really good prospect, but the Yankees want everyone to think he is." My impression from his stats is that he's middle-of-the-road, overhyped by the Yankees, no doubt, but perhaps underhyped by sportswriters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted October 28, 2004 Share Posted October 28, 2004 Next season will determine whether or not Hernandez and Lucy are good bonafide prospects or not. Hernandez has been compared to a young Victor Martinez though, which is a pretty good comparison. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted October 28, 2004 Share Posted October 28, 2004 I think this is total bulls***. If KW can land Johnson there is no way he moves him unless the bottom falls out of the team prior to the July 31 trade deadline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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