CubKilla Posted October 26, 2004 Share Posted October 26, 2004 The Guardian isn't a rag. It's actually one of the highly respected papers. I wipe my ass with any "rag" advocating the assassination of The President..... Republican, Democrat, or otherwise. Of course, I need to consider the source of the above stated quote..... :rolly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sox4lifeinPA Posted October 26, 2004 Share Posted October 26, 2004 Whoah.. It is entirely different when it is a personal attack between individuals, and I don't think I need to draw that out any further. as for calling me (apparently) a f***ing douche for not reigning in Kip's comments about the President, but putting it in the old green font so then it's "just a joke" in a passive-aggressive BS kind of way... At the same time, If anybody use invectives and personal attacks on another poster (not our douchebag President) during the course of an exchange, they should not be surprised if they caught flack for it. As for your health care jab being in green – sure, but the tone is condescending more than sarcastic/ironic – a "shut up Canuck, and go wait in line two days for your eyeglasses" kind of tone. glad to know you're clairvoyant and know exactly which tone I meant my remark. You're automatically assuming I care at all about how he feels about GWB or think GWB is that great to begin with. and you called ME "bizzaro world". I never personally attacked anyone. get your facts straight, Jim. You messed up, not me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlaSoxxJim Posted October 26, 2004 Share Posted October 26, 2004 OK, now I'm lost PA. I'll reread to figure out where I 'messed up.' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KipWellsFan Posted October 26, 2004 Share Posted October 26, 2004 My comment was completely in green. The only socialized health care system that even begins to work is the singapore model. That's where we should look for answers. Life long Medical Savings accounts with survivorship will save America's health care problem. The actual health care costs I paid this year would have been 1/4th the ammount I potentially contributed. Why pay for "coverage"? That doesn't make sense, when we can just pay for our actual expenses. and it's funny that his anti-american "f***ing douche bag president" comment gets no remarks, by my clearly joking comment about health care does? glad to know moderators are held to higher standards.....f***ing douche bag I'm not anti-american just anti-douche bag. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted October 26, 2004 Share Posted October 26, 2004 Anyone else hear about this? Over the weekend the British rag newspaper "The Guardian" basically advocated the assassination of President Bush. "The world will endure four more years of idiocy, arrogance and unwarranted bloodshed, with no benevolent deity to watch over and save us," he continued. "John Wilkes Booth, Lee Harvey Oswald, John Hinckley Jr. -- where are you now that we need you?" They were forced to retract their story and delete it from their website but god damn people, disagree with the man if you want to but this is just way over the top. Ya and worse of all the article was left in the paper for a full day. Finally after that they pulled it. I was about to post this same thing, but luckily Nuke, you had it covered Horrible article though, absolutely disgusting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted October 26, 2004 Share Posted October 26, 2004 The Guardian isn't a rag. It's actually one of the highly respected papers. Its regarded as a leftist British paper. Its a big paper, but I wouldn't call it amazing nor would I call the New York Times amazing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mreye Posted October 26, 2004 Share Posted October 26, 2004 No we wouldn't, we understand satire. We have to put up with the hate speech, mocking, and lies from the hours and hours of GOP talk shows everyday. I am constantly bombarded with GOP cheerleaders talking about how liberals do not care about America, are indiots, environmental wackos leftist wack jobs, etc. And I've been bombarded by Dems wanting to "Buck Bush". Nice word play on "f***". That's not hate speech? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mreye Posted October 26, 2004 Share Posted October 26, 2004 Whoah.. Re nobody coming down on Kip for the douche bag comment - the President is a public figure, and he and all other figures in the public eye get that and worse on non-significant corners of the web like this all the time. You cannot equate calling Bush, Kerry, Reagan, Clinton, Sean Penn... or whoever a f***ing douche to doing the same to a private individual in the course of what is supposed to be a civil debate. I don't know if you were around for the various Reagan threads here after his death, but some folks were outraged when others called Reagan, another public figure, whatever equivalent to f***ing douche they happened to use at the time. Just as often it is Kerry, Clinton, or whoever, and just as often someone else is getting bent out of shape over it. It's stupid all around – these are public figures and people are going to say what they want to about them. It is entirely different when it is a personal attack between individuals, and I don't think I need to draw that out any further. as for calling me (apparently) a f***ing douche for not reigning in Kip's comments about the President, but putting it in the old green font so then it's "just a joke" in a passive-aggressive BS kind of way... I have yet to lose any sleep over anything anybody has called me online, so whatever. At the same time, If anybody use invectives and personal attacks on another poster (not our douchebag President) during the course of an exchange, they should not be surprised if they caught flack for it. As for your health care jab being in green – sure, but the tone is condescending more than sarcastic/ironic – a "shut up Canuck, and go wait in line two days for your eyeglasses" kind of tone. Still, I think the your comment AND the tone are absolutely fine in this forum. Kip didn't quite follow the line of thought and I opined that there are a lot of people who would take a topheavy and somewhat innefficient healthcares system with universal coverage and minimal out of pocket expense over a topheavy and equally innefficient system that allows 20% of its citizens to go without and forces the rest to endure costs that are spiraling out of control. For the record, I was not pissed off about someone calling Reagan a "douche bag" or whatever as much as I was about someone going back and editing posts and then accusing me of being delusional. And making an accusation that the markets have never been closed and the post offices weren't closed for previous deaths of Presidents, saying it was a Republican conspiracy - even in the face of factual eveidence to the contrary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen Prawn Posted October 26, 2004 Share Posted October 26, 2004 And I've been bombarded by Dems wanting to "Buck Bush". Nice word play on "f***". That's not hate speech? I always thought that was a play on words based on having a ranch (as in a bucking bronco, or something like that). I honestly didn't even think about the alternative. I seem to always think a little differently then most lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mreye Posted October 26, 2004 Share Posted October 26, 2004 I always thought that was a play on words based on having a ranch (as in a bucking bronco, or something like that). I honestly didn't even think about the alternative. I seem to always think a little differently then most lol. I heard them all saying it and I thought I heard "f*** Bush", but then I saw the buttons they had on and shook my head. :headshake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlaSoxxJim Posted October 26, 2004 Share Posted October 26, 2004 Yeah, I don't care to rehash any details either, but I recall people being very incensed that there was anything less than total reverence and admiration for the man after he died. My reference to that thread was out of convenience, and could have as easily pointed to people getting bent out of shape when people call Michael Moore a douche, or Ruch Limbaugh, or... People in the public eye are going to have vocal detractors, and it's silly to get outraged - or feign outrage - when 'your guy' (whoever he is) gets shreeded by somebody else. As for the 'Buck Bush' thing - Not only is that not even close to being a hate-filled slogan, I don't even think the "f***" word play is the primary intent. Buck him, get him out of office - it's good alliteration and there is a cowboy reference in there alluding perhaps to the transparency of the man who's "all hat and no horse" according to the real Texas cowboys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlaSoxxJim Posted October 26, 2004 Share Posted October 26, 2004 I always thought that was a play on words based on having a ranch (as in a bucking bronco, or something like that). I honestly didn't even think about the alternative. I seem to always think a little differently then most lol. We must have been posting at the same time - I agree with your assessment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted October 26, 2004 Share Posted October 26, 2004 Buck him, get him out of office - it's good alliteration and there is a cowboy reference in there alluding perhaps to the transparency of the man who's "all hat and no horse" according to the real Texas cowboys. Pahds, that's all hat and no cattle to y'all . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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