Who's smarter

[Steff]

This is kind of long.. but some interesting points/facts are mentioned.

 

 

Who's Smarter?

by Cindy Osborne

 

The Hollywood group is at it again. Holding anti-war rallies, screaming about the Bush Administration, running ads in major newspapers, defaming the President and his Cabinet every chance they get, to anyone and everyone who will listen. They publicly defile them and call them names like "stupid" , "morons", and "idiots". Jessica Lange went so far as to tell a crowd in Spain that she hates President Bush and is embarrassed to be an American.

 

So, just how ignorant are these people who are running the country? Let's look at the biographies of these "stupid", "ignorant" , "moronic" leaders, and then at the celebrities who are castigating them:

 

President George W. Bush: Received a Bachelors Degree from Yale University and an MBA from Harvard Business School. He served as an F-102 pilot for the Texas Air National Guard. He began his career in the oil and gas business in Midland in 1975 and worked in the energy industry until 1986. He was elected Governor on November 8, 1994, with 53.5 percent of the vote. In a historic re-election victory, he became the first Texas Governor to be elected to consecutive four-year terms on November 3, 1998 winning 68.6 percent of the vote. In 1998 Governor Bush won 49 percent of the Hispanic vote, 27 percent of the African-American vote, 27 percent of Democrats and 65 percent of women. He won more Texas counties, 240 of 254, than any modern Republican other than Richard Nixon in 1972 and is the first Republican gubernatorial candidate to win the heavily Hispanic and Democratic border counties of El Paso, Cameron and Hidalgo. (Someone began circulating a false story about his I.Q. being lower than any other President. If you believed it, you might want to go to URBANLEGENDS.COM and see the truth.)

 

Vice President Dick Cheney: Earned a B.A. in 1965 and a M.A. in 1966, both in political science. Two years later, he won an American Political Science Association congressional fellowship. One of Vice President Cheney's primary duties is to share with individuals, members of Congress and foreign leaders, President Bush's vision to strengthen our >economy, secure our homeland and win the War on Terrorism. In his official role as President of the Senate, Vice President Cheney regularly goes to Capital Hill to meet with Senators and members of the House of Representatives to work on the Administration's legislative goals. In his travels as Vice President, he has seen first hand the great demands the war on terrorism is placing on the men and women of our military, and he is proud of the tremendous job they are doing for the United States of America.

 

Secretary of State Colin Powell: Educated in the New York City public schools, graduating from the City College of New York (CCNY), where he earned a Bachelor's Degree in geology. He also participated in ROTC at CCNY and received a commission as an Army second lieutenant upon graduation in June 1958. His further academic achievements include a Master of Business Administration Degree from George Washington University. Secretary Powell is the recipient of numerous U.S. and foreign military awards and decorations. Secretary Powell's civilian awards include two Presidential Medals of Freedom, the President's Citizens Medal, the Congressional Gold Medal, the Secretary of State Distinguished Service Medal, and the Secretary of Energy Distinguished Service Medal. Several schools and other institutions have been named in his honor and he holds honorary degrees from universities and colleges across the country. (Note: He retired as Four Star General in the United States Army)

 

Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld: Attended Princeton University on Scholarship (AB, 1954) and served in the U.S. Navy (1954-57) as a Naval aviator; Congressional Assistant to Rep. Robert Griffin (R-MI), 1957-59; U.S. Representative, Illinois, 1962-69; Assistant to the President, Director of the Office of Economic Opportunity, Director of the Cost of Living Council, 1969-74; U.S. Ambassador to NATO, 1973-74; head of Presidential Transition Team, 1974; Assistant to the President, Director of White House Office of Operations, White House Chief of Staff, 1974-77; Secretary of Defense, 1975-77.

 

Secretary of Homeland Security Tom Ridge: Raised in a working class family in veterans' public housing in Erie. He earned a scholarship to Harvard, graduating with honors in 1967. After his first year at The Dickinson School of Law, he was drafted into the U.S. Army, where he served as an infantry staff sergeant in Vietnam, earning the Bronze Star for Valor. After returning to Pennsylvania, he earned his Law Degree and was in private practice before becoming Assistant District Attorney in Erie County. He was elected to Congress in 1982. He was the first enlisted Vietnam combat veteran elected to the U.S. House, and was overwhelmingly re-elected six times.

 

National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice: Earned her Bachelor's Degree in Political Science, Cum Laude and Phi Beta Kappa, from the University of Denver in 1974; her Master's from the University of Notre Dame in 1975; and her Ph.D. from the Graduate School of International Studies at the University of Denver in 1981. (Note: Rice enrolled at the University of Denver at the age of 15, graduating at 19 with a Bachelor's Degree in Political Science (Cum Laude). She earned a Master's Degree at the University of Notre Dame and a Doctorate from the University of Denver's Graduate School of International Studies. Both of her advanced degrees are also in Political Science.) She is a Fellow of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences and has been awarded Honorary Doctorates from Morehouse College in 1991, the University of Alabama in 1994, and the University of Notre Dame in 1995. At Stanford, she has been a member of the Center for International Security and Arms Control, a Senior Fellow of the Institute for International Studies, and a Fellow (by courtesy) of the Hoover Institution. Her books include Germany Unified and Europe Transformed (1995) with Philip Zelikow, The Gorbachev Era (1986) with Alexander Dallin, and Uncertain Allegiance: The Soviet Union and the Czechoslovak Army (1984).

 

She also has written numerous articles on Soviet and East European foreign and defense policy, and has addressed audiences in settings ranging from the U.S. Ambassador's Residence in Moscow to the Commonwealth Club to the 1992 and 2000 Republican National Conventions. From 1989 through March 1991, the period of German reunification and the final days of the Soviet Union, she served in the Bush Administration as Director, and then Senior Director, of Soviet and East European Affairs in the National Security Council, and a Special Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs. In 1986, while an international affairs fellow of the Council on Foreign Relations, she served as Special Assistant to the Director of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. In 1997, she served on the Federal Advisory Committee on Gender -- Integrated Training in the Military. She was a member of the boards of directors for the Chevron Corporation, the Charles Schwab Corporation, the William and Flora Hewlett Foundation, the University of Notre Dame, the International Advisory Council of J.P. Morgan and the San Francisco Symphony Board of Governors. She was a Founding Board member of the Center for a New Generation, an educational support fund for schools in East Palo Alto and East Menlo Park, California and was Vice President of the Boys and Girls Club of the Peninsula. In addition, her past board service has encompassed such organizations as Transamerica Corporation, Hewlett Packard, the Carnegie Corporation, Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, The Rand Corporation, the National Council for Soviet and East European Studies, the Mid-Peninsula Urban Coalition and KQED, public broadcasting for San Francisco. Born November 14, 1954 in Birmingham, Alabama, she resides in Washington, D.C.

 

So who are these celebrities? What is their education? What is their experience in affairs of State or in National Security? While I will defend to the death their right to express their opinions, I think that if they are going to call into question the intelligence of our leaders, we should also have all the facts on their educations and background:

 

Barbra Streisand : Completed high school Career: Singing and acting

 

Cher: Dropped out of school in 9th grade. Career: Singing and acting

 

Martin Sheen: Flunked exam to enter University of Dayton. Career: Acting

 

Jessica Lange: Dropped out college mid-freshman year. Career: Acting

 

Alec Baldwin: Dropped out of George Washington U. after scandal. Career: Acting

 

Julia Roberts: Completed high school. Career: Acting

 

Sean Penn: Completed High school. Career: Acting

 

Susan Sarandon: Degree in Drama from Catholic University of America in Washington, D.C. Career: Acting

 

Ed Asner; Completed High school. Career: Acting

 

George Clooney: Dropped out of University of Kentucky. Career: Acting

 

Michael Moore: Dropped out first year University of Michigan. Career: Movie Director

 

Sarah Jessica Parker: Completed High School. Career: Acting

 

Jennifer Anniston: Completed High School. Career: Acting

 

Mike Farrell: Completed High school. Career: Acting

 

Janeane Garofelo: Dropped out of College. Career: Stand up comedienne

 

Larry Hagman: Attended Bard College for one year. Career: Acting

 

While comparing the education and experience of these two groups, we should also remember that President Bush and his cabinet are briefed daily, even hourly, on the War on Terror and threats to our security. They are privy to information gathered around the world concerning the Middle East, the threats to America, the intentions of terrorists and terrorist-supporting governments. They are in constant communication with the CIA, the FBI, Interpol, NATO, The United Nations, our own military, and that of our allies around the world. We cannot simply believe that we have full knowledge of the threats because we watch CNN!! We cannot believe that we are in any way as informed as our leaders.

 

These celebrities have no intelligence-gathering agents, no fact-finding groups, no insight into the minds of those who would destroy our country. They only have a deep seated hatred for all things Republican. By nature, and no one knows quite why, the Hollywood elitists detest Conservative views and anything that supports or uplifts the United States of America. The silence was deafening from the Left when Bill Clinton bombed a pharmaceutical factory outside of Khartoum, or when he attacked the Bosnian Serbs in 1995 and 1999. He bombed Serbia itself to get Slobodan Milosevic out of Kosovo, and not a single peace rally was held. When our Rangers were ambushed in Somalia and 18 young American lives were lost, not a peep was heard from Hollywood. Yet now, after our nation has been attacked on its own soil, after 3,000 Americans were killed, by freedom-hating terrorists, while going about their routine lives, they want to hold rallies against the war. Why the change? Because an honest, God-fearing Republican sits in the White House.

 

Another irony is that in 1987, when Ronald Reagan was in office, the Hollywood group aligned themselves with disarmament groups like SANE, FREEZE and PEACE ACTION, urging our own government to disarm and freeze the manufacturing of any further nuclear weapons, in order to promote world peace. It is curious that now, even after we have heard all the evidence that Saddam Hussein has chemical, biological and is very close to obtaining nuclear weapons, their is no cry from this group for HIM to disarm. They believe we should leave him alone in his quest for these weapons of mass destruction, even though it is certain that these deadly weapons will eventually be used against us in our own cities.

 

So why the hype out of Hollywood? Could these celebrities believe that since they draw such astronomical salaries, they are entitled to also determine the course of our Nation? That they can make viable decisions concerning war and peace? Did Michael Moore have the backing of the Nation when he recently thanked France, on our behalf, for being a "good enough friend to tell us we were wrong"? I know for certain he was not speaking for me. Does Sean Penn fancy himself a Diplomat, in going to Iraq when we are just weeks away from war? Does he believe that his High School Diploma gives him the knowledge (and the right) to go to a country that is controlled by a maniacal dictator, and speak on behalf of the American people? Or is it the fact that he pulls in more money per year than the average American worker will see in a lifetime? Does his bank account give him clout?

 

The ultimate irony is that many of these celebrities have made a shambles of their own lives, with drug abuse, alcoholism, numerous marriages and divorces, scrapes with the law, publicized temper tantrums, etc. How dare they pretend to know what is best for an entire nation! What is even more bizarre is how many people in this country will listen and accept their views, simply because they liked them in a certain movie, or have fond memories of an old television sitcom!

 

It is time for us, as citizens of the United States, to educate ourselves about the world around us. If future generations are going to enjoy the freedoms that our forefathers bequeathed us, if they are ever to know peace in their own country and their world, to live without fear of terrorism striking in their own cities, we must assure that this >nation remains strong. We must make certain that those who would destroy us are made aware of the severe consequences that will befall them.

 

Yes, it is a wonderful dream to sit down with dictators and terrorists and join hands, singing Cumbaya and talking of world peace. But it is not real. We did not stop Adolf Hitler from taking over the entire continent of Europe by simply talking to him. We sent our best and brightest, with the strength and determination that this Country is known for, and defeated the Nazi regime. President John F. Kennedy did not stop the Soviet ships from unloading their nuclear missiles in Cuba in 1962 with mere words. He stopped them with action, and threat of immediate war if the ships did not turn around. We did not end the Cold War with conferences. It ended with the strong belief of President Ronald Reagan... PEACE through STRENGTH.

[Guest hotsoxchick1]

hey steff nice article...and how true....lol.... wanna know whos smarter??? just watch any celeberty jeapordy show and that should answer any questions on each and every one of these celeberties.... they are dumber than a box of rocks when it comes to answering 5th grade trivia questions....lol.......just ask alex trebeck im sure he shakes his head in wonder after doing those shows lol..lol...lol.....better yet catch a weakest link celeberty show.. its very amusing....im sure george bush knows who the 1st president of the usa was...........alec baldwin didnt..........lol.............

[CubKilla]

They only have a deep seated hatred for all things Republican. By nature, and no one knows quite why, the Hollywood elitists detest Conservative views and anything that supports or uplifts the United States of America. The silence was deafening from the Left when Bill Clinton bombed a pharmaceutical factory outside of Khartoum, or when he attacked the Bosnian Serbs in 1995 and 1999. He bombed Serbia itself to get Slobodan Milosevic out of Kosovo, and not a single peace rally was held. When our Rangers were ambushed in Somalia and 18 young American lives were lost, not a peep was heard from Hollywood. Yet now, after our nation has been attacked on its own soil, after 3,000 Americans were killed, by freedom-hating terrorists, while going about their routine lives, they want to hold rallies against the war. Why the change? Because an honest, God-fearing Republican sits in the White House.

 

Another irony is that in 1987, when Ronald Reagan was in office, the Hollywood group aligned themselves with disarmament groups like SANE, FREEZE and PEACE ACTION, urging our own government to disarm and freeze the manufacturing of any further nuclear weapons, in order to promote world peace. It is curious that now, even after we have heard all the evidence that Saddam Hussein has chemical, biological and is very close to obtaining nuclear weapons, their is no cry from this group for HIM to disarm. They believe we should leave him alone in his quest for these weapons of mass destruction, even though it is certain that these deadly weapons will eventually be used against us in our own cities.

And there in lies the crux of my argument against everything Hollywood..... at least politically. This article summed up Hollywood's hypocrisy like no other I've seen recently.

 

While you will always have a subset of the American population that is 100% against war, no matter what the circumstances are, the fact that anti-War protestors have more anti-Bush signs and anti-Bush chants should serve as notice that, to the majority of "anti-War" protestors at least, this War is more anti-Bush than it is anti-War.

[cwsox]

Read the full message that starts this thread. It includes the line "Because an honest, God-fearing Republican sits in the White House."

 

The unidentified sourse of this email chain letter may not be a Republican National Committe, it may be from one of the right wing religious groups that identifies God's will as that of the Republcan Party.

 

And that is what is so freaking wrong and dangerous about these this type of thinking.

 

Carter and Clinton are both people of deep faith. So I understand is the current Bush. But this type of think denies the faith of a Carter or Clinton - or me, the Pope, the head of the National Council of Churches, Bushs own United Methodist Church, the head of the United Church of Christ, the Christian Reformed Church, etc., because it does not comply with a certain political agenda.

 

It proclaims the faith of Bush because it does comport with a certain political agenda. That is a grave diservice to God, to people of faith, and as off-base as those who would identify the political policies of a bin laden or an Ayatollah as being in accord with God's will. No political agenda or ideology can claim such special status.

 

The best any of us can do is struggle with the demands of faith as how we apply it to life in reality. People of faith may in good conscience disagree, but for one group to claim that it has the will of God and anyone who opposes it opposes the anointed servant of God is treading on very frightening ground. The type of thinking that was used to start this thread is very dangerous let alone disingenuious.

 

And as well I note, just from reading the Chicago Tribune, the Charlie Daniels sent out an email blasting those who oppose the war. An employee at a radio station responded to Charlies Daniels in opposition to his views, and that employee was fired. So much for who is zooming who.

 

As well, the Tribune also reported that Clear Channel, the corporation that owns more radio stations than anyone else in this country, has been sponsering pro-war demonstrations in various media markets. At the same time, Clear Channel is trying to push through regulation changes at the FCC that will allow it to own more radio stations and further dominate the US radio market. The chair of the FCC is Michael Powell, son of Colin Powell. Again, who is zooming who here.

 

CK, I await your condemnation of Charlies Daniels and Clear Channel.

[CubKilla]

And as well I note, just from reading the Chicago Tribune, the Charlie Daniels sent out an email blasting those who oppose the war.  An employee at a radio station responded to Charlies Daniels in opposition to his views, and that employee was fired.  So much for who is zooming who.

 

As well, the Tribune also reported that Clear Channel, the corporation that owns more radio stations than anyone else in this country, has been sponsering pro-war demonstrations in various media markets.  At the same time, Clear Channel is trying to push through regulation changes at the FCC that will allow it to own more radio stations and further dominate the US radio market.  The chair of the FCC is Michael Powell, son of Colin Powell.  Again, who is zooming who here.

 

CK, I await your condemnation of Charlies Daniels and Clear Channel.

Why? I happened to get a hold of the Charlie Daniels e-mail. In it, he stated two things..... 1.) he asked if everyone forgot what happened on 09/11, and 2.) he stated that whether or not you agree with the war, the US has servicemen and women fighting for our freedom and the freedom of the oppressed peoples of Iraq. He asked anti-War protestors to not let resentment of the War turn into resentment of the troops. Why would anyone condemn that? Condemn it if you like cw, but I will not. Unlike the Hollywood hypocrites, he wasn't trying to effect political change as much as he was making a personnal statement.

 

And as for the Clear Channel..... what is your point here..... besides that fact that Colin Powell's son is the Company's Chairman? Every news channel I turn to is showing anti-War protests. Only CNN showed any footage of the pro-President/pro-Troops rally in Chicago this past Saturday..... and that was because an anti-war rally was, literally, separated by 50 or so feet. They also went intermittently to a pro-rally in Tennessee at a Marine Corps base. I do not have the Clear Channel so I cannot state what the channel may or may not air. However, if their broadcasts are devoted to showing pro-President/pro-Troops rallies then so be it. It's about time a channel showed the view of the people from the pro-side..... considering we've been inundated with the garbage from the anti-side from all over the globe.

[LowerCaseRepublican]

http://maddox.xmission.com/tictacs.html

 

The Real Who Is Smarter....Bush or Tic Tacs?

[KipWellsFan]

Maybe it's just me but I think it's unfair to judge a person's intelligence just by what they have accomplished education wise.

[Steff]

Maybe it's just me but I think it's unfair to judge a person's intelligence just by what they have accomplished education wise.

Hu..? Then how do you judge it? Streets smarts vs book smarts I can buy that to a degree.. but unless one is successful (and I'm not talking a 4.0 here) in an atmosphere where they can learn (and be taught) basic skills (problem solving specifically) to succeed in life.. then what do they do? How do you function if you aren't guided in the right direction?

 

By the way, home schooling counts, IMO.

[Mr. Showtime]

http://maddox.xmission.com/tictacs.html

 

The Real Who Is Smarter....Bush or Tic Tacs?

I read that a week or so ago, Maddux needs to be given some sort of power. Mayor, Governor, whatever he wants, this guy is a straight shooter.

[cwsox]

I will repost the essential part of my post that has thus far been unntoiced by the last two paragraphs that I sjhoudl not have included as it took away from my main point:

 

Read the full message that starts this thread. It includes the line "Because an honest, God-fearing Republican sits in the White House."

 

The unidentified sourse of this email chain letter may not be a Republican National Committe, it may be from one of the right wing religious groups that identifies God's will as that of the Republcan Party.

 

And that is what is so freaking wrong and dangerous about these this type of thinking.

 

Carter and Clinton are both people of deep faith. So I understand is the current Bush. But this type of think denies the faith of a Carter or Clinton - or me, the Pope, the head of the National Council of Churches, Bushs own United Methodist Church, the head of the United Church of Christ, the Christian Reformed Church, etc., because it does not comply with a certain political agenda.

 

It proclaims the faith of Bush because it does comport with a certain political agenda. That is a grave diservice to God, to people of faith, and as off-base as those who would identify the political policies of a bin laden or an Ayatollah as being in accord with God's will. No political agenda or ideology can claim such special status.

 

The best any of us can do is struggle with the demands of faith as how we apply it to life in reality. People of faith may in good conscience disagree, but for one group to claim that it has the will of God and anyone who opposes it opposes the anointed servant of God is treading on very frightening ground. The type of thinking that was used to start this thread is very dangerous let alone disingenuious.

[baggio202]

so that article might come from a conservative christian group with another agenda...so what??...like there is no group on the left with agendas..

 

all this article says is that people on the hollywood left like to call the president stupid , idiotic , a moron and then it goes on to show the president's level of education along with his cabinet and advisors and compares them to the people that like to lable him as such...

 

unless they are misrepresenting facts in respect to the people's education levels then i see nothing wrong with this article..the rest of it is opinion...everyone has one and the right to voice it..

 

i agree that people should not place their religion above others..but this article is about how stupid the hollywierd left really is

[LowerCaseRepublican]

I read that a week or so ago, Maddux needs to be given some sort of power. Mayor, Governor, whatever he wants, this guy is a straight shooter.

Maddox rules. He should run for President, haha.

[Steff]

I will repost the essential part of my post that has thus far been unntoiced by the last two paragraphs that I sjhoudl not have included as it took away from my main point:

 

Read the full message that starts this thread. It includes the line "Because an honest, God-fearing Republican sits in the White House."

 

The unidentified sourse of this email chain letter may not be a Republican National Committe, it may be from one of the right wing religious groups that identifies God's will as that of the Republcan Party.

 

And that is what is so freaking wrong and dangerous about these this type of thinking.

 

Carter and Clinton are both people of deep faith. So I understand is the current Bush. But this type of think denies the faith of a Carter or Clinton - or me, the Pope, the head of the National Council of Churches, Bushs own United Methodist Church, the head of the United Church of Christ, the Christian Reformed Church, etc., because it does not comply with a certain political agenda.

 

It proclaims the faith of Bush because it does comport with a certain political agenda. That is a grave diservice to God, to people of faith, and as off-base as those who would identify the political policies of a bin laden or an Ayatollah as being in accord with God's will. No political agenda or ideology can claim such special status.

 

The best any of us can do is struggle with the demands of faith as how we apply it to life in reality. People of faith may in good conscience disagree, but for one group to claim that it has the will of God and anyone who opposes it opposes the anointed servant of God is treading on very frightening ground. The type of thinking that was used to start this thread is very dangerous let alone disingenuious.

cw.. it's simply a comparision of 2 groups of people. I don't see any subliminal message.