chisox05 Posted October 31, 2004 Share Posted October 31, 2004 1.Mark Buehrle 2.Freddy Garcia 3.Randy Johnson 4.Odalis Perez 5.Jose Contreras That would be my ideal rotation and in fact, it is actually pretty realistic. Closer-Armando Benitez Setup-Shingo Takatsu Setup-Damaso Marte Mid-Neal Cotts Mid-Arnie Munoz Mid-Cliff Politte Long-Felix Diaz We sign benitez for 3 years at 16 million total. We sign perez for 3 years at 20 million. We trade Carlos Lee and Jon Adkins for Randy Johnson. What are your projections? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted October 31, 2004 Share Posted October 31, 2004 1.Mark Buehrle 2.Freddy Garcia 3.Randy Johnson 4.Odalis Perez 5.Jose Contreras That would be my ideal rotation and in fact, it is actually pretty realistic. Closer-Armando Benitez Setup-Shingo Takatsu Setup-Damaso Marte Mid-Neal Cotts Mid-Arnie Munoz Mid-Cliff Politte Long-Felix Diaz We sign benitez for 3 years at 16 million total. We sign perez for 3 years at 20 million. We trade Carlos Lee and Jon Adkins for Randy Johnson. What are your projections? Benitez is gonna get 6-8 most likely 8. No way in hell is is gonna get alittle over 5 a year. You are closer on perez but more than likely he will get around 8 million on average per yer because he is the best lefty out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greasywheels121 Posted October 31, 2004 Share Posted October 31, 2004 So did Jon Garland just vanish? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xero Posted October 31, 2004 Share Posted October 31, 2004 So did Jon Garland just vanish? That is what I saw too... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngelasDaddy0427 Posted October 31, 2004 Share Posted October 31, 2004 1.Mark Buehrle 2.Freddy Garcia 3.Randy Johnson 4.Odalis Perez 5.Jose Contreras That would be my ideal rotation and in fact, it is actually pretty realistic. Closer-Armando Benitez Setup-Shingo Takatsu Setup-Damaso Marte Mid-Neal Cotts Mid-Arnie Munoz Mid-Cliff Politte Long-Felix Diaz We sign benitez for 3 years at 16 million total. We sign perez for 3 years at 20 million. We trade Carlos Lee and Jon Adkins for Randy Johnson. What are your projections? No offense buddy but it would take a hell of alot more then trading Carlos Lee and Jon Adkins to get that lineup. More like giving away our entire offense and most of our prospects. Second we don't need Randy Johnson and Perez. Garland is almost a sure thing to give us 12 wins again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thelatinoheat_30 Posted October 31, 2004 Share Posted October 31, 2004 dunno know if c. lee and adkins would be enough for randy, arizona prolly knows kenny is willing to do whatever it takes, they'll prolly push him for more. even if they would take them, i'm not so sure it's realistic w/ about 17 mil going to randy, 5 1/2 to benitez(prolly closer to 8) and 7 to perez. we still need to find a SS and OF and that'd unfortunately push us over our "budget". i'm out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted October 31, 2004 Share Posted October 31, 2004 So did Jon Garland just vanish? maybe he's part of the RJ trade? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted October 31, 2004 Share Posted October 31, 2004 maybe he's part of the RJ trade? He would have to be for them to even consider it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punch and Judy Garland Posted October 31, 2004 Share Posted October 31, 2004 Here's my prediction: 1. Garcia 2. Buehrle 3. Barry Zito 4. Jon Garland 5. Jose Contreras Pen Closer-Shingo Time Set-Marte Set-Jeff Nelson Mid-Politte Mid-Cotts Long-Adkins I don't think we will be using FA to bring in a starter but I think KW will pay the piper to acquire Zito from the A's. What will it take to do that? That's an excellent question but I think it will center around a guy like Rowand. This particular trading scenario makes sense for the Sox as Zito will not cause an increase in payroll. I am not stupid enough to think that Rowand alone will land Zito but I think he will be the start of a package that will include other guys who are farther away from arbitration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted October 31, 2004 Share Posted October 31, 2004 1. Randy Johnson 2. Mark Buehrle 3. Freddy Garcia 4. Jose Contreras 5. Jon Garland Closer: Shingo Marte Politte Grilli/Diaz/Cotts/Lil' Arnie/Adkins/Bajenaru (3 of them, some will be traded to Arizona.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted October 31, 2004 Share Posted October 31, 2004 Here's my prediction: 1. Garcia 2. Buehrle 3. Barry Zito 4. Jon Garland 5. Jose Contreras Pen Closer-Shingo Time Set-Marte Set-Jeff Nelson Mid-Politte Mid-Cotts Long-Adkins I don't think we will be using FA to bring in a starter but I think KW will pay the piper to acquire Zito from the A's. What will it take to do that? That's an excellent question but I think it will center around a guy like Rowand. This particular trading scenario makes sense for the Sox as Zito will not cause an increase in payroll. I am not stupid enough to think that Rowand alone will land Zito but I think he will be the start of a package that will include other guys who are farther away from arbitration. Rowand is one of the best guys in the game for the amount of money he makes. I highly doubt he will go any where any time soon. Especially for zito and hit 0.83 g/f ratio. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punch and Judy Garland Posted October 31, 2004 Share Posted October 31, 2004 I like Rowand but would deal him for a guy 2 years removed from winning 23 games. Could Coop get through to Zito? I don't think so. From what I've read, Zito is so cerebral that it takes a special individual to help him harness his ability. You could see the drop in the post-Peterson climate in Oakland. This is purely hypothetical, but it sure would make you wonder about Steve Stone as Zito's pitching coach..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilJester99 Posted October 31, 2004 Share Posted October 31, 2004 So did Jon Garland just vanish? Could the Sox get that lucky?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punch and Judy Garland Posted October 31, 2004 Share Posted October 31, 2004 He must have vanished over that rainbow. Jokes on the cob I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisox05 Posted October 31, 2004 Author Share Posted October 31, 2004 dunno know if c. lee and adkins would be enough for randy, arizona prolly knows kenny is willing to do whatever it takes, they'll prolly push him for more. even if they would take them, i'm not so sure it's realistic w/ about 17 mil going to randy, 5 1/2 to benitez(prolly closer to 8) and 7 to perez. we still need to find a SS and OF and that'd unfortunately push us over our "budget". i'm out To be honest, i thought lee and adkins is too much. They get 9 million cap space while getting a 30-40 hr hitter 300 avg 375 obp guy as well as a possible descent #4/5 starter especially in the nl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisox05 Posted October 31, 2004 Author Share Posted October 31, 2004 I like Rowand but would deal him for a guy 2 years removed from winning 23 games. Could Coop get through to Zito? I don't think so. From what I've read, Zito is so cerebral that it takes a special individual to help him harness his ability. You could see the drop in the post-Peterson climate in Oakland. This is purely hypothetical, but it sure would make you wonder about Steve Stone as Zito's pitching coach..... If steve stone were our pitching coach, he would become an instant chicago whitesox god! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted October 31, 2004 Share Posted October 31, 2004 To be honest, i thought lee and adkins is too much. They get 9 million cap space while getting a 30-40 hr hitter 300 avg 375 obp guy as well as a possible descent #4/5 starter especially in the nl. There are several teams after him which is gonna raise the amount of talent that is gonna have to be given up. Whoever gets him is gonna be vastly over paying and is gonna regret it in the long run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hitlesswonder Posted October 31, 2004 Share Posted October 31, 2004 My prediction: SP: Buehrle Garcia Contreras Garland Grilli RP: Takatsu Politte Marte Cotts Adkins Scott Williamson (or maybe Paul Shuey or Bob Wickman) And before people rip into this for being too pessimistic, let me just say that by predicting the signing of Shuey or Williamson I'm actually suggesting they'll shell out money for a quality veteran arm. Last year they picked up Mike Jackson in that role, so I think this is optimsitic If the Sox really do sign Vizquel for 4 million a year, it seems more likely that changes to the pitching staff will come through trading Lee. They'll need to dump salary to stay under 70 million (which is around what the Trib and Gammons suggested the payroll would be, FWIW). But that's too hard to predict, so I'll stick with just a FA pickup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted October 31, 2004 Share Posted October 31, 2004 Paul Shuey He may never pitch again because of his degenerative hip. If he does pitch again this year he will not be close to pitching at 100% so i would stay away from him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hitlesswonder Posted October 31, 2004 Share Posted October 31, 2004 To be honest, i thought lee and adkins is too much. They get 9 million cap space while getting a 30-40 hr hitter 300 avg 375 obp guy as well as a possible descent #4/5 starter especially in the nl. I don't think Adkins was a decent 4/5 starter in AAA, so I don't think that's enough to get Johnson. They supposedly were interested in players the caliber of Jorge Posada plus more, so getting Johnson would involve giving up quality players and prospects. They especially need pitching, maybe catching, 2B, outfielder, and all for low salaries. I think the package would have to include Garland and probably McCarthy or Cotts along with Lee or Rowand. But that's a completely baseless guess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hitlesswonder Posted October 31, 2004 Share Posted October 31, 2004 He may never pitch again because of his degenerative hip. If he does pitch again this year he will not be close to pitching at 100% so i would stay away from him. I didn't realize that, I just saw his name & ERA on the relievers list and thought it might be a good pickup. I agree a reliever with one hip probably won't be a good investment... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted October 31, 2004 Share Posted October 31, 2004 I don't think Adkins was a decent 4/5 starter in AAA, so I don't think that's enough to get Johnson. They supposedly were interested in players the caliber of Jorge Posada plus more, so getting Johnson would involve giving up quality players and prospects. They especially need pitching, maybe catching, 2B, outfielder, and all for low salaries. I think the package would have to include Garland and probably McCarthy or Cotts along with Lee or Rowand. But that's a completely baseless guess I agree he would not be a good starter nut he would be a damn good reliever in the n.l. August 3rd he had an era of 3.08, then by september 6th he had an era of 3.54. But he hit a really rough month that blew his era out of proportion and made it look like he had a worse year than he actually did. He ended the year with a 4.65 era. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisox05 Posted October 31, 2004 Author Share Posted October 31, 2004 I am not saying adkins is a descent #4/5 starter. I am saying, some mlb teams percieve him to have the potential to be that. I believe that if he is put into games where the teams i losing or winning by a lot, his era will be very low. He had a great era for the sox until they kept moving him up to setup where he kept bombing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hitlesswonder Posted October 31, 2004 Share Posted October 31, 2004 I am not saying adkins is a descent #4/5 starter. I am saying, some mlb teams percieve him to have the potential to be that. I believe that if he is put into games where the teams i losing or winning by a lot, his era will be very low. He had a great era for the sox until they kept moving him up to setup where he kept bombing. That's cool. I honestly have no idea what major league front offices think (I am beginning to think that the Sox and I think differently, but that's probably a good thing for them). As you mention, I think Adkins numbers were kind of deceptive. He ended up with a 1.5 WHIP and a .305 BAA, and those seem high to me (particularly the batting average against). I seem to remember him letting a lot of inherited runners score, but I don't know the stats and could be wrong. He did look like he could get a strikeout, and he had a 2 to 1 K/BB ratio, so maybe he'll develop. But I'd much rather see him at the end of the bullpen than being a setup man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodAsGould Posted October 31, 2004 Share Posted October 31, 2004 id actually rather see diaz and munoz in the bullpen over adkins... they both i think can be better then him.. and both thrived in the bullpen when they were put there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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