Buehrle>Wood Posted October 31, 2004 Share Posted October 31, 2004 1. Mark Buerhlre 2. Freddy Garcia 3. Barry Zito 4. Jose Contreas 5. John Garland I expect the Sox to win out on the Oakland A's lottery, which will more than likely be Zito. Bullpen Mid- Pollitte SU- One of Kennys 300,000 finds SU- Marte C- Takatsu I'm not really worried about this as Kenny is a fricken' genius when finding bullpen arms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted October 31, 2004 Share Posted October 31, 2004 I'm not really worried about this as Kenny is a fricken' genius when finding bullpen arms. Mike jackson was an excellent pick up last year and vic darrensbourg. :rolly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3E8 Posted October 31, 2004 Share Posted October 31, 2004 1. Mark Buehrle 2. Freddy Garcia 3. Derek Lowe (Eric Milton, Russ Ortiz) 4. Jose Contreras 5. Jon Garland What I want to see. (What I will see). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punch and Judy Garland Posted October 31, 2004 Share Posted October 31, 2004 Maybe Carlos Castillo can make his 2nd annual trip to Spring Training Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted October 31, 2004 Share Posted October 31, 2004 1. Mark Buehrle 2. Freddy Garcia 3. Derek Lowe (Eric Milton, Russ Ortiz) 4. Jose Contreras 5. Jon Garland What I want to see. (What I will see). You really want to see milton and ortiz? Why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamTell Posted October 31, 2004 Share Posted October 31, 2004 I like the idea of having either Johnson or Perez on the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3E8 Posted October 31, 2004 Share Posted October 31, 2004 You really want to see milton and ortiz? Why? No the pitchers inside the parenthesis are who I don't want but probably will see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted October 31, 2004 Share Posted October 31, 2004 No the pitchers inside the parenthesis are who I don't want but probably will see. I thought so, sorry about that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hitlesswonder Posted October 31, 2004 Share Posted October 31, 2004 About Milton and Ortiz, I agree that it's disturbing to hear that they may top the Sox list of pitchers to acquire. As far as I can see, Milton wins for worst fit for the Sox. His stats last year: ERA 4.75 WHIP 1.35 GO/AO 0.59 (ground out to flyout ratio) HR 43 I think he would just get lit up in USCF & the AL with those numbers. He had some OK years with MN, but he never had an ERA below 4.30. I know he's got great, left-handed stuff so someone will overpay. In fact he might be out of the Sox price range (if they're lucky). For Ortiz last season: ERA 4.13 WHIP 1.51 GO/AO 1.09 HR 23 Ortiz's stats were actually a little better than I thought they'd be. I think the high number of walks (his WHIP is worse than Garland's) would be a bad idea in USCF (too many 3 run HRs....), but he had pitched better than this in 2002 and 2003 (1.3 WHIP, still not great) so it's not as ridiculous an idea as Milton. I'd still prefer someone else (Clement if there's some chance he's healthy or maybe Lowe), especially if acquiring a SP means trading Lee to cut payroll. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hawaiisoxfn Posted October 31, 2004 Share Posted October 31, 2004 I wouldnt trade Lee and Adkins for Johnson. How old is RJ? Like 41? Lees still got most of his career in front of him, and hes only going to get better. RJ has probably one more year left and then hes done. This would be a better trade for Arizona than it would be for us. They lost 100+ games last year and were the worst team in baseball. They probably want to get rid of old guys like RJ and get young guys like Lee who are in their prime or improving. I dont want to see the Sox make this trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisox05 Posted October 31, 2004 Author Share Posted October 31, 2004 I'm not really worried about this as Kenny is a fricken' genius when finding bullpen arms. You are joking, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted October 31, 2004 Share Posted October 31, 2004 Buehrle Garcia Perez (if not then we get RJ for our #1) Contreras Garland Shingo Marte Nelson (sorry I'm a fan of his) Pollite Cotts Adkins Baj/Munoz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butter Parque Posted October 31, 2004 Share Posted October 31, 2004 THIS IS NOT WHAT I WANT, BUT WHAT I PREDICT! 1. Mark Buehrle 2. Freddy Garcia 3. Brad Radke/ Eric Milton 4. Jose Contreras 5. Jon Garland Long- Felix Diaz Middle- Neal Cotts Middle- Jon Adkins Middle- Cliff Politte Set Up- Shingo Takatsu SetUp- Damaso Marte Closer- Troy Percival Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerhead johnson Posted October 31, 2004 Share Posted October 31, 2004 1.Mark Buehrle 2.Freddy Garcia 3.Randy Johnson 4.Odalis Perez 5.Jose Contreras That would be my ideal rotation and in fact, it is actually pretty realistic. Closer-Armando Benitez Setup-Shingo Takatsu Setup-Damaso Marte Mid-Neal Cotts Mid-Arnie Munoz Mid-Cliff Politte Long-Felix Diaz We sign benitez for 3 years at 16 million total. We sign perez for 3 years at 20 million. We trade Carlos Lee and Jon Adkins for Randy Johnson. What are your projections? Randy Johnson and Armando Benitez were two of the top three legitimate cy young contenders last year according to my calculations. Thread of the year: Rex Hudler's system for knowledgeable and objective baseball fans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted October 31, 2004 Share Posted October 31, 2004 Thread of the year: Rex Hudler's system for knowledgeable and objective baseball fans I agree. Rex may have gotten pissed at us, but it was great info. People just like to uncover secrets, that's all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shagar69 Posted October 31, 2004 Share Posted October 31, 2004 all of these projections should be in deep pink, or whatever you guys use here for pipe dreams. heres what the rotation will ACTUALLY look like Garcia Buehrle Ortiz Contreras Garland/Grilli shingo, marte, williamson, adkins,politte, cotts, grilli/garland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted October 31, 2004 Share Posted October 31, 2004 Rex may have gotten pissed at us I would be too. That was the first time I read that thread (I was probably gone that day) and saw some serious dumbasses posting some stupid s*** there. An hour of work Rex put into that and some post dumb one/two line crap with something he already stated not to do. :headshake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted October 31, 2004 Share Posted October 31, 2004 I would be too. That was the first time I read that thread and saw some serious dumbasses posting some stupid s*** there. How is that new here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted October 31, 2004 Share Posted October 31, 2004 How is that new here? True, but I expected better from some of the smartest sox fans here ya know.. Especially when it was stated more than once. A f***ing 10 yr. old could see that he can't post names of the players... Just answer who ya want which Rex was saying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted October 31, 2004 Share Posted October 31, 2004 Put me on the bandwagon to aquire Kyle Farnsworth via trade. I know he's a bit of a headcase, but he has absolutely electric stuff. And, the Cubs are (most likely) beginning to run out of patience with this kid. Last year, the Braves were able to steal Juan Cruz from the Cubs for two minor leaguers - maybe we can do the same for Farnsy. Probably a dream because neither franchise would want to trade any potential stars to the other side of town, but if we got Farnsy, that'd make me real happy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted October 31, 2004 Share Posted October 31, 2004 You are joking, right? Kenny has ressurected the career of Tom Gordon. He got Marte for absolutly nothing. Thats 2 of the top 5 set-up men right there in MLB. He's also made some great moves to get Pollitte and Takatsu. I would say few teams do better than the White Sox with their bullpen, considering the payroll we put into it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted October 31, 2004 Share Posted October 31, 2004 Put me on the bandwagon to aquire Kyle Farnsworth via trade. I know he's a bit of a headcase, but he has absolutely electric stuff. And, the Cubs are (most likely) beginning to run out of patience with this kid. Last year, the Braves were able to steal Juan Cruz from the Cubs for two minor leaguers - maybe we can do the same for Farnsy. Probably a dream because neither franchise would want to trade any potential stars to the other side of town, but if we got Farnsy, that'd make me real happy. After a bad year he seems to boune back quite well. So if we ever were to trade for him now would be the time to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted October 31, 2004 Share Posted October 31, 2004 Put me on the bandwagon to aquire Kyle Farnsworth via trade. I know he's a bit of a headcase, but he has absolutely electric stuff. And, the Cubs are (most likely) beginning to run out of patience with this kid. Last year, the Braves were able to steal Juan Cruz from the Cubs for two minor leaguers - maybe we can do the same for Farnsy. Probably a dream because neither franchise would want to trade any potential stars to the other side of town, but if we got Farnsy, that'd make me real happy. Oh hell ya I'd do that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisox05 Posted November 1, 2004 Author Share Posted November 1, 2004 Im not a HUGE Percival fan, but why is there so much hatred for the guy? I know the age is a big factor, but he had 33 saves with 2.90 ERA. We wouldnt be giving anything up for him, I dont see why the Sox dont take a chance on him. I agree, i dont understand why there is so much hate for him and i also think we could get him cheaper than many think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted November 1, 2004 Share Posted November 1, 2004 If we miss out on on Benitez and Percival, another guy we could possibly look at is Dustin Hermanson. He went 17 for 20 in save oppurtunities and I think he had a really good September ERA wise when he was in the closer role. The Indians already have interest in him. Just a guy to look out for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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