Texsox Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 Yah that's pretty much what I thought. I don't think the winner takes all thing is very smart, but I'm no expert on the subject. Thanks When the constitution was written, the desire was for strong state rights. Basically the states are getting together and electing a leader. It makes sense in that context. After all we are the United *States* of America. It is more than a name, it describes our government. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 When people are talking about the negatives associated with the electoral college they might be forgetting some of their history. When you look back on the Consititution Convention many of the biggest issues were big states vs small states. The Great Compromise was done to insure that small states had a realative voice in the United States. And still to this day, the GC is insuring that their voices are heard. Look no further than the fact that states like IA, WI, NM, HI, and others with under 10 EV's, are getting Presidential visits and having their issues addressed at this state of the election. Without the GC I would doubt that the United States would exsist today in its present form. I honestly doubt the union would have survived into the 19th century, and probably would have broken down into at least a slave holding/non slaveholding divide, if not further divides in the northeast. Even if the union did exsist the protections and programs for small states would be muted vs the more valuable urban votes. I could see programs for farmers and the like disappearing. I would be interested to hear from others on this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Kickass Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 I think the GC saved the Union. But we are a different union now than we were in the 1700s. We aren't viewing ourselves as separate states anymore, our federal system has been consistently weakened. States rights just aren't respected anymore and it hasn't hurt our meta-state because we have become Americans and not New Yorkers, Michiganders and Illinoisians. Our president has so much power that it shouldn't be up to only 538 people to pick the president. It should be up to everyone. One person, one vote. No more. No less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 I think the GC saved the Union. But we are a different union now than we were in the 1700s. We aren't viewing ourselves as separate states anymore, our federal system has been consistently weakened. States rights just aren't respected anymore and it hasn't hurt our meta-state because we have become Americans and not New Yorkers, Michiganders and Illinoisians. Our president has so much power that it shouldn't be up to only 538 people to pick the president. It should be up to everyone. One person, one vote. No more. No less. And I think that has gone a long way to contributing to the waste, and the misguidedness of our federal system. There are so many things being done at the federal level, that have no business being done there. Things like education should be deterimined on a state-by-state basis, and not on a federal level. I honestly believe it would go a long way towards improving individuals lives if we addressed problems more locally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 agreed, Voter Turnout will be at record highs in Ohio, and Florida, states where your vote actually counts, but here in Illinois, where both the presedential race and the Senate race have both been decided months ago, There is a ton of voter apathy. I spent part of the Weekend in Iowa, it was amazing to me the number of political ads that I saw while watching a football game. I don't see more than a couple during a 3 hour game at home. Even with voter apathy in IL there are a record number of people registered to vote, and huge lines early in these elections. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Kickass Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 I don't disagree that a devolved government has better options, but I think that at the very least the size of the Electoral College should be increased and states providing something better than a winner take all system. This is, after all, a national election. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobDylan Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 Vote for Bush you damn idiots. You're all friggen jackasses if you don't vote for Bush and on top of that, you're a moron if you don't vote for Bush. So just do yourself a favor, vote for Bush. No but seriously, I agree. Keep it civil. And yes, I am voting for Bush. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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whitesoxin' Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 I just got back from working the polls since 6 a.m. Where I was, the polls were busy from 6-9 and then again from about 10-12. It was really slow after noon, but maybe more voters will get out later this evening after work. Where I was, they were on pace to break the old attendance record of 66%. The estimate was at 75%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddy Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 I think you're going to see that all over the country... it wouldnt be crazy to estimate a 70% turnout rate this year. And that favors Kerry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MinnesotaSoxFan Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 Just came back from voting... Now let's get ready to RUMBLLEEEEEEEE!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 I am back from voting, and did end up voting for 3 democrats on the state level. I am curious how many others split their tickets? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MinnesotaSoxFan Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 I am back from voting, and did end up voting for 3 democrats on the state level. I am curious how many others split their tickets? Me... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxy Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 I also split my ticket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 6 pm Chicago time the nations first polls close, and we will start to have some idea of how this is going so far. Most of the states are hardcore Bush states, but the margins could be very telling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSteve Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 I am back from voting, and did end up voting for 3 democrats on the state level. I am curious how many others split their tickets? I didn't. I didn't know who anyone was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxin' Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 I am back from voting, and did end up voting for 3 democrats on the state level. I am curious how many others split their tickets? So you voted for Joe Kernan? Good job, Mitch isn't my man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 So you voted for Joe Kernan? Good job, Mitch isn't my man. Kernan wasn't one of them. The Kernan-OBannon group is too connected to Evan Bayh for me. I won't vote for them, ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxin' Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 Kernan wasn't one of them. The Kernan-OBannon group is too connected to Evan Bayh for me. I won't vote for them, ever. Oh well. I was just told a lot of bad things about Mitch, I don't know how much is true, however. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 Oh well. I was just told a lot of bad things about Mitch, I don't know how much is true, however. Yeah and I could say just as much bad about the Bayh-O'Bannon-Kernan bunch. But that pretty much sums up the election in 2004. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 Damn CNN has an awesome display screen setup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted November 3, 2004 Share Posted November 3, 2004 Indiana Kentucky Georiga All Bush. Vermont to Kerry. 34-3, Bush early. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greasywheels121 Posted November 3, 2004 Share Posted November 3, 2004 I don't know about Mitch...he's not leading the early polls. I've seen him come down to IU a lot. His daughter's a freshman here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MinnesotaSoxFan Posted November 3, 2004 Share Posted November 3, 2004 Indiana Kentucky Georiga All Bush. Vermont to Kerry. 34-3, Bush early. 34-3 Bush... Wow... 2 states are already too close to call... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MinnesotaSoxFan Posted November 3, 2004 Share Posted November 3, 2004 Jason, btw can you go on aim. I need to talk with you... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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