Guest hawaiisoxfn Posted November 6, 2004 Share Posted November 6, 2004 Why does everyone want to trade Paul Konerko? He had a great year last year and he will keep it up. If we keep him, even if Maggs leaves, our 3-4-5 of Frank, PK and Carlos is still one of the best in the league. Maggs departure will free up some salary, which we can use to make the only necessary offseason move. That is, sign Odalis Perez. Dont trade anybody at all. Let Maggs go and let Valentin go. Uribe moves to short and Willie takes second. Sign Odaliz Perez. A rotation of Perez-Garcia-Buehrle-Contreras-Garland would be one of the better ones in the league. This team would win the AL Central, assuming it stayed healthy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodAsGould Posted November 6, 2004 Share Posted November 6, 2004 the reason people want to trade paul konerko because its believed that either him or carlos lee are on the way out... and 1 since carlos lee is the more complete player overal and 2 we got ross gload to play 1B. Also have you seen konerko's split stats... anyways those first 2 reasons are why people want konerko to be traded Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted November 6, 2004 Share Posted November 6, 2004 Why does everyone want to trade Paul Konerko? He had a great year last year and he will keep it up. If we keep him, even if Maggs leaves, our 3-4-5 of Frank, PK and Carlos is still one of the best in the league. Maggs departure will free up some salary, which we can use to make the only necessary offseason move. That is, sign Odalis Perez. Dont trade anybody at all. Let Maggs go and let Valentin go. Uribe moves to short and Willie takes second. Sign Odaliz Perez. A rotation of Perez-Garcia-Buehrle-Contreras-Garland would be one of the better ones in the league. This team would win the AL Central, assuming it stayed healthy. That's what we thought in 2003 when we acquired Colon... That's what we thought midseason 2004 when we acquired Garcia (though injuries to Thomas and Ordonez didn't help much...). You have seen Konerko's road splits, correct? Not good at all. We can win at home. We need to become a better road team. We have too many right handed sluggers, and if trading Paully means an upgrade in our rotation, bullpen, or even getting a leadoff hitter, you gotta do it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted November 7, 2004 Share Posted November 7, 2004 Paul Konerko is probably the most overrated White Sox player within the past couple years atleast. So he hit .270 40 110...big deal. His OPS was not .900, and that tells me a lot. He's also making $8.5 mill next year, is slower then slow, cannot run the bases, and has limited range at 1B. One could argue that he is actually not helpful but is rather a burden to have. I don't feel that way, just saying someone could say that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted November 7, 2004 Share Posted November 7, 2004 Why does everyone want to trade Paul Konerko? He had a great year last year and he will keep it up. If we keep him, even if Maggs leaves, our 3-4-5 of Frank, PK and Carlos is still one of the best in the league. Maggs departure will free up some salary, which we can use to make the only necessary offseason move. That is, sign Odalis Perez. Dont trade anybody at all. Let Maggs go and let Valentin go. Uribe moves to short and Willie takes second. Sign Odaliz Perez. A rotation of Perez-Garcia-Buehrle-Contreras-Garland would be one of the better ones in the league. This team would win the AL Central, assuming it stayed healthy. I agree with you Hawaii! There is no need or reason to trade Konerko OR Lee. If Maggs doesn't resign that free agent SPrees up lots on money to go after a free agent SP and a closer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted November 7, 2004 Share Posted November 7, 2004 I agree with you Hawaii! There is no need or reason to trade Konerko OR Lee. If Maggs doesn't resign that free agent SPrees up lots on money to go after a free agent SP and a closer. Unfortunately, the money that was freed up by Maggs has already been used in the Garcia extension and in Contreras' next two years on the Sox... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted November 7, 2004 Share Posted November 7, 2004 I agree with you Hawaii! There is no need or reason to trade Konerko OR Lee. If Maggs doesn't resign that free agent SPrees up lots on money to go after a free agent SP and a closer. Guy406 beat me to it Maggs money is being spent on mainly on Garcia and Contreras, and partly on a few player's raises. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted November 7, 2004 Share Posted November 7, 2004 I would love to keep Paul, but to me, there are to many positives that COULD come from trading him. 1. Paul's value is very high right now, I would imagine the highest it could be,ever. Kenny needs to strike when the irons hot. If you found the right buyers, Kenny could get a nice little package for Paully, see the Sexson deal. 2. The Sox are obviously not run the Yankees, so working the payroll situation is key. At $8.5 million, Paul is a very significant piece of the payroll. I beleive we have a very capible replacement for him in Ross Gload, who also is about 7.8 Mil cheaper. 3. Been brought up in the last two posts, but Paul's Splits are not very good at all, he is one of the slowest players in the MLB, and he can't be called the best 1b man in the leauge(although there is not much to complain about with his D) He doesnt have superstar numbers to back up 8.5 Mil With the right deal, Trading Paul could be a great move for the Sox. If the idea that you trade someone because their value is at a high point then why didn't the likes of Mantle, Mays and Bonds get traded. You don't trade your best players just because you think you are going to make a blockbuster. You keep your best players and build around them. We need a SP and a closer and you can do that through the savings from Maggs leaving. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goober Posted November 7, 2004 Share Posted November 7, 2004 (edited) i don't know if the sox have enough offense to trade away their best part Edited November 7, 2004 by Tmar28 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted November 7, 2004 Share Posted November 7, 2004 If the idea that you trade someone because their value is at a high point then why didn't the likes of Mantle, Mays and Bonds get traded. You don't trade your best players just because you think you are going to make a blockbuster. You keep your best players and build around them. We need a SP and a closer and you can do that through the savings from Maggs leaving. Because Mantle, Mays, and Bonds are among the greatest players to ever play the game and those are guys you can build your entire team around. What you are doing is basically comparing Paul Konerko to Mantle, Mays, and Bonds. Do you really want to do that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted November 7, 2004 Share Posted November 7, 2004 Why? Because we need a 1b man that can beat a snail in a footrace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted November 7, 2004 Share Posted November 7, 2004 Why? Because we need a 1b man that can beat a snail in a footrace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted November 7, 2004 Share Posted November 7, 2004 If the idea that you trade someone because their value is at a high point then why didn't the likes of Mantle, Mays and Bonds get traded. You don't trade your best players just because you think you are going to make a blockbuster. You keep your best players and build around them. We need a SP and a closer and you can do that through the savings from Maggs leaving. Other than what wite posted, there were not teams that had financial problems and had to dump salaray like they do now a days. There was also loyalty back then, now there is practically none. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted November 7, 2004 Share Posted November 7, 2004 So he hit .270 40 110...big deal. --Are you serious? It was a big deal. He had a great season. Keep Paulie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hawaiisoxfn Posted November 7, 2004 Share Posted November 7, 2004 If the idea that you trade someone because their value is at a high point then why didn't the likes of Mantle, Mays and Bonds get traded. You don't trade your best players just because you think you are going to make a blockbuster. You keep your best players and build around them. We need a SP and a closer and you can do that through the savings from Maggs leaving. Exactly, rockin. Ive always thought the idea of trading some guy at his high point is completely ridiculous. So great, lets trade PK for an awesome prospect, but once that prospect becomes a star, well trade him for another prospect! Brilliant! As for Gload being able to hit .275 with 15 homers and 75 RBIs, thats what you THINK. Paulie is able to hit .275 with 30 homers and 100 RBIs, thats what I KNOW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted November 7, 2004 Share Posted November 7, 2004 Exactly, rockin. Ive always thought the idea of trading some guy at his high point is completely ridiculous. So great, lets trade PK for an awesome prospect, but once that prospect becomes a star, well trade him for another prospect! Brilliant! As for Gload being able to hit .275 with 15 homers and 75 RBIs, thats what you THINK. Paulie is able to hit .275 with 30 homers and 100 RBIs, thats what I KNOW. When did someone say let's trade PK for a prospect? Also, sure PK will put up better nubmers than Gload but... Gload+what we get for PK>>>PK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesox91403 Posted November 7, 2004 Share Posted November 7, 2004 I don't think KW is going to trade Paulie for a prospect. If The Sox can get a quality arm (starter or bullpen guy) for him then a trade has to be made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hawaiisoxfn Posted November 7, 2004 Share Posted November 7, 2004 Someone suggested Lee, PK, 3 prospects, and $6million for Byrnes and Hudson. Ok, so no prospects, but nothing thats any good either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted November 7, 2004 Share Posted November 7, 2004 but nothing thats any good either. HUDSON AND BYRNES? Are you joking? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted November 7, 2004 Share Posted November 7, 2004 Makes sense to me to trade someone with a large amount of money on their and they only have 1 year on their contract left. For a player that is cheaper and has multiple years left on their contract Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted November 7, 2004 Share Posted November 7, 2004 Exactly, rockin. Ive always thought the idea of trading some guy at his high point is completely ridiculous. So great, lets trade PK for an awesome prospect, but once that prospect becomes a star, well trade him for another prospect! Brilliant! As for Gload being able to hit .275 with 15 homers and 75 RBIs, thats what you THINK. Paulie is able to hit .275 with 30 homers and 100 RBIs, thats what I KNOW. Paully is FAR from a star... Stars are able to do a little better than a .239 AVG on the road... And comparing Konerko to the likes of Mays and Bonds is just silly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hawaiisoxfn Posted November 7, 2004 Share Posted November 7, 2004 HUDSON AND BYRNES? Are you joking? For all that he offered Hudson and Byrnes is extremely petty. Hudson is a good pitcher, but Byrnes cant make up for the loss of power caused by the absence of PK and Carlos. Byrnes couldnt even make up for the loss of one of those guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted November 7, 2004 Share Posted November 7, 2004 Hudson was top 5 in ERA in the AL. That's better than good... Byrnes has a .350 OBP, with 20 homers and plays pretty damn good in the outfield. And stole more bases than CL and PK combined. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted November 7, 2004 Share Posted November 7, 2004 And comparing Konerko to the likes of Mays and Bonds is just silly. That's putting it mildly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted November 7, 2004 Share Posted November 7, 2004 Someone suggested Lee, PK, 3 prospects, and $6million for Byrnes and Hudson. Ok, so no prospects, but nothing thats any good either. I've defended every aspect of the trade I proposed down to the core, and some people still don't understand the trade fully. It is actually, PK, CLee, 2-3 prospects, and $10 mill for Hudson and Byrnes...if you read down a bit farther, you see that. And it saves us $5 mill...and that $5 mill does not go towards signing Omar Vizquel. It goes towards trading for Jose Guillen or signing Troy Percival(or both). So, essentially, it is trading PK, CLee, 2-3 prospects, and $10 mill for Hudson, Byrnes, and Guillen/Percival. I don't see how that doesn't help the team a ton. And it gives us a top 3 rotation in the majors. That helps a little too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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