Buehrle>Wood Posted December 21, 2004 Share Posted December 21, 2004 This will turn into a 3 way deal, Vazquez will be dealt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted December 21, 2004 Share Posted December 21, 2004 If any one cares, the Red Sox will trade Ramon Vazquez for Julio Lugo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSteve Posted December 21, 2004 Share Posted December 21, 2004 If any one cares, the Red Sox will trade Ramon Vazquez for Julio Lugo. I like that deal for the Red Sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted December 21, 2004 Share Posted December 21, 2004 The Mariners have Adrian Beltre working to recruit Odalis Perez to Seattle. It's believed Seattle has made an offer to Perez, and Odalis is considering the Mariners. "It's definitely a possibility," agent Fern Cuza said. "I know beefing up the offense was their first priority, so we'll see what happens. Odalis definitely has interest." Dec. 21 - 4:11 am et Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted December 21, 2004 Share Posted December 21, 2004 I would try around $5 million for AJ. Pierzynski could have gotten $5 million if a team just claimed him when he was waived, so then he would go to arbitration. He'll probably sign a deal with a little more salary than what Damian Miller got. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted December 21, 2004 Share Posted December 21, 2004 Second baseman Ronnie Belliard agreed to a $3 million, one-year contract with the Indians that avoided salary arbitration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted December 21, 2004 Share Posted December 21, 2004 Second baseman Ronnie Belliard agreed to a $3 million, one-year contract with the Indians that avoided salary arbitration. http://www.soxtalk.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=27557 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted December 21, 2004 Share Posted December 21, 2004 http://www.soxtalk.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=27557 Whatever. I hadn't seen it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winning Ugly Posted December 21, 2004 Share Posted December 21, 2004 Thank GOD my Pads got Dave Roberts without giving up Linebrink or Otsuka. That would have been a HUGE mistake. Instead, they rid themselves of Payton's awful contract and free up some money (but they'll probably sit on it like we have done thus far...lol) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUGGERNAUT Posted December 21, 2004 Share Posted December 21, 2004 As reported in the LA Times this week: Dodgers fans are livid over the RJ trade & it is believed that the reaction of ticket holders is what's holding up the trade. The LAD are now less likely to do this trade unless they can announce a major signing at the same time: Drew or Lowe. Most fans continue to contact the LAD with words of "cheapskate" & "ripoff" thrown about. What they seem most upset about is that LAD are sending both RJ & Ishii & 3 MIL in cash to NYY for Vazquez, an MR, & prospects. In the words of one fan, LAD does not need the NYY to shave off Green's salary. They can deal directly with ARZ. They should be discussing a contract extension with RJ himself. If you look at the 10 player trade it's hard to argue with that. ARZ does not receive any NY players in the trade so why isn't LAD dealing directly with ARZ? LAD were a playoff team in 2004. The fan base expects them to improve upon that. Signing RJ would be such an improvement. I am beginning to believe this trade is going to collapse without major NYY $'s coming to rescue it. I think the LAD made this trade with a strong belief they would be able to spin off Vazquez on some other team. That is becoming much less likely right now. When you look at a CWS involvement the trade doesn't look nearly as bad for the LAD: LAD <- Garland, Marte, Konerko CWS -> Vazquez + prospects Looking at it through those glasses, the LAD move Green & Ishii & prospects for a # 3/4 starter, proven LH RP, & solid hitting/above avg glove 1B. That's not a bad trade, because those 3 fit under the price the LAD owed Green & what they were expected to pay the NYY for Ishii. But that's been squashed like a bug now, & I don't see the LAD pulling the trigger on this until a CWS like trade is found. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUGGERNAUT Posted December 21, 2004 Share Posted December 21, 2004 Things will open up after Jan 8. I believe that's the last day teams have to work out a deal with a player they offered arbitration to. The Angels signed Cabrerra to a 32/4 yr deal. It was a banner year for above average to good SS. All of them with the exception of Nomar signing better than expected deals. The CWS still has prominent holes to fill at 5th starter, C, & utility bench player. They've declined arbitration to Schow & Davis. Williams must be trying to work something to fill those holes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUGGERNAUT Posted December 21, 2004 Share Posted December 21, 2004 It's the little signings that are killing me! I just read the NYY's inked Tony Womack to a 4M/2 deal to be their starting 2B. Hello? Is there anybody awake at the CWS front office? This guy is good enough to start for the NYY at a very reasonable price but not good enough for the CWS? Did KW even bother to call his agent? For those not paying attention Womack hit 307 last yr. Right now I don't see one CWS player hitting over 300 in 2005. If that doesn't convince you try this: Womack Monthly OPS: 925, 551, 833, 731, 731, 653 W Harris Monthly OPS: 623, 877, 513, 562, 726, 586 I definitely think that's a justifiable upgrade for a cost of 2M/yr! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUGGERNAUT Posted December 21, 2004 Share Posted December 21, 2004 http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1950729 The never-ending trade .... ARZ -> RJ + Koplove to LAD LAD -> Green, Penny, Brazo, Weed to ARZ LAD -> RJ + Ishii + 3M to NYY NYY -> MLer Vazquez, + mler's Navarro ©, Duncan (3B) to LAD Green has yet to waive his no-trade clause or express any desire to play for ARZ. http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1950463 DePodesta: "We're holding it up. As a stand-alone, it's not helping our major league team. Other moves would have to be simultaneous. You don't make a deal like this and be left naked." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan562004 Posted December 21, 2004 Share Posted December 21, 2004 FWIW, ESPN national updates on the radio are saying the Dodgers have a 4th team they're dealing with to add a bat, but no info on who it is... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 21, 2004 Share Posted December 21, 2004 My dad said most of the papers and radio stations out here are saying its basically contingent on JD Drew signing a deal with the Dodgers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted December 21, 2004 Share Posted December 21, 2004 Joe Randa lands with the Reds on a one year deal, per Roto. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilJester99 Posted December 21, 2004 Share Posted December 21, 2004 My dad said most of the papers and radio stations out here are saying its basically contingent on JD Drew signing a deal with the Dodgers. Any word on who the "Mystery" 4th team is?? Is it really the Sox? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AddisonStSox Posted December 21, 2004 Share Posted December 21, 2004 Any word on who the "Mystery" 4th team is?? Is it really the Sox? Thats not what Jas meant. He meant that "fourth team" is in fact JD Drew. The Dodgers are looking to pull the trigger if they can get Drew to sign. So, I suppose there really isn't a fourth "team," just a fourth player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan562004 Posted December 21, 2004 Share Posted December 21, 2004 Thats not what Jas meant. He meant that "fourth team" is in fact JD Drew. The Dodgers are looking to pull the trigger if they can get Drew to sign. So, I suppose there really isn't a fourth "team," just a fourth player. Well I think submitting the papers is "pulling the trigger" (unless someone knows of a way they can still back out) so I hope Drew is all but signed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 21, 2004 Share Posted December 21, 2004 Any word on who the "Mystery" 4th team is?? Is it really the Sox? The Sox have denied it through Bruce Levine FWIW. They will not trade Konerko unless they get power in return. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 21, 2004 Share Posted December 21, 2004 I made a post a couple days ago saying how Depodesta said he hasn't talked to kenny since the winter meetings. Ken Williams vehemently denied that as well. That deal was pure bogus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesox89 Posted December 21, 2004 Share Posted December 21, 2004 The White Sox have strong interest in right-hander Javier Vazquez, who would move from the Yankees to the Dodgers as part of the Johnson trade. But Williams summarily dismissed the reported deal that would send Paul Konerko, Damaso Marte and Jon Garland to Los Angeles in exchange for Vazquez. Looks like KW still wants him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUGGERNAUT Posted December 21, 2004 Share Posted December 21, 2004 Well I think submitting the papers is "pulling the trigger" (unless someone knows of a way they can still back out) so I hope Drew is all but signed Submitting the papers is not the same as pulling the trigger. It's just a requirement by the commissioner's office because LAD is sending 3M to the NYY. As dumb & as ridiculous as that sounds. If you send more than 1M to a team in a trade you must submit paperwork to Selig's office. That being said once you put players out there if you don't pull the trigger it can seriously upset the chemistry of the club. In this case, however; I don't think that will be the case. Green can easily shut this trade down & no one will question his reason for doing so. He'd rather play for the 1st place LAD than the last place AZD. This is interesting as well. Ishii signed a 12.3/4 deal with LAD in 2002. The LAD owes him 5.4 mil on it. The are paying the NYY 3M to take him off their hands. Ishii had a partial no-trade clause. Each year he could list 10 teams that he did not want to be traded to. I'm sure the NYY weren't one of them. I just find the LA GM's words hilarious: "You don't make a deal like this and be left naked." How does he think that reflects on Vaquez, Koplove, & the rest of the team if he should be stuck with them? KW is definitely not the worst GM in the league. I don't even think a JD Drew signing could repair that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulokis Posted December 22, 2004 Share Posted December 22, 2004 Heard on ESPN1000 update, the 3 way deal is dead bcoz the dodgers withdrew their offer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted December 22, 2004 Share Posted December 22, 2004 Acorrding to Radio 1000 update, RJ to NY deal is dead for now because LA backed out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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