Punch and Judy Garland Posted January 28, 2005 Share Posted January 28, 2005 I think Maggs will be fine there. He may only hit 20-25 homers but he could easily lead the league in doubles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted January 28, 2005 Share Posted January 28, 2005 QUOTE(Punch and Judy Garland @ Jan 28, 2005 -> 12:40 PM) I think Maggs will be fine there. He may only hit 20-25 homers but he could easily lead the league in doubles. If he can run. He may lead the league in long singles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted January 28, 2005 Share Posted January 28, 2005 QUOTE(YASNY @ Jan 28, 2005 -> 12:41 PM) If he can run. He may lead the league in long singles. I doubt the Tigers would blow all that money if they weren't convinced he couldn't run. A lot of people on this board are convinced that Magglio won't be able to play anymore, but Detroit's offer, and I'm sure they have seen medical reports, if not examined him themselves, something which no one on this board can claim, would indicate otherwise. If he is healthy, he is a better player than anyone on the White Sox roster which would make his signing with Detroit, a division rival sting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabroni Posted January 28, 2005 Share Posted January 28, 2005 I doubt the Tigers would blow all that money if they weren't convinced he couldn't run. A lot of people on this board are convinced that Magglio won't be able to play anymore, but Detroit's offer, and I'm sure they have seen medical reports, if not examined him themselves, something which no one on this board can claim, would indicate otherwise. If he is healthy, he is a better player than anyone on the White Sox roster which would make his signing with Detroit, a division rival sting. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> And paying him all that money would further strap Detroit so they can't sign any decent starting pitchers. Remember, it's their rotation that sucks. Their lineup was fine last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted January 28, 2005 Share Posted January 28, 2005 QUOTE(Jabroni @ Jan 28, 2005 -> 01:19 PM) And paying him all that money would further strap Detroit so they can't sign any decent starting pitchers. Remember, it's their rotation that sucks. Their lineup was fine last year. I agree, I think their rotation sucks, but there are many around baseball who think their rotation is decent right now and can be very good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabroni Posted January 28, 2005 Share Posted January 28, 2005 I agree, I think their rotation sucks, but there are many around baseball who think their rotation is decent right now and can be very good. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> And who would that be? The Detroit Tigers' management? There's no question about it. Their rotation sucks, period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AddisonStSox Posted January 28, 2005 Share Posted January 28, 2005 QUOTE(Jabroni @ Jan 28, 2005 -> 02:16 PM) And who would that be? The Detroit Tigers' management? There's no question about it. Their rotation sucks, period. Their rotation has the most potential in the division and one of the top 3 in the AL. Maroth and Bonderman have electric stuff...all they need is time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted January 28, 2005 Share Posted January 28, 2005 QUOTE(AddisonStSox @ Jan 28, 2005 -> 02:19 PM) Their rotation has the most potential in the division and one of the top 3 in the AL. Maroth and Bonderman have electric stuff...all they need is time. Ledezma definitely has better ''stuff'' than maroth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LosMediasBlancas Posted January 28, 2005 Share Posted January 28, 2005 THANK YOU. QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Jan 28, 2005 -> 07:04 PM) I doubt the Tigers would blow all that money if they weren't convinced he couldn't run. A lot of people on this board are convinced that Magglio won't be able to play anymore, but Detroit's offer, and I'm sure they have seen medical reports, if not examined him themselves, something which no one on this board can claim, would indicate otherwise. If he is healthy, he is a better player than anyone on the White Sox roster which would make his signing with Detroit, a division rival sting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUGGERNAUT Posted January 28, 2005 Share Posted January 28, 2005 Even if they have seen medical reports Maggs hasn't swung a bat since June. It would be extremely foolish of the Tigs to sign hm to a 70/5 deal that was guaranteed. I am sure there are clauses based on ab's per year that drastically change the value of the contract. That would be the smart thing to do if you are trying to assume a risk other's are not in order to lock him up. Personally I wouldn't do it. Or I would like it to a successful ST for him. Boras has refused repeated work outs since Dec. He refused most medical report requests until just this month. It's safe to say Maggs has has little to no baseball activity for the past 8 months. Knee injuries are the hardest to come back from. They usually mean more down time for yrs to come. Thomas has been lucky in that respect. There's no guarantee Maggs will come back at play at an all-star level. I liken this situation to Gonzo. All the talent in the world, but when he got hurt he was never the same again. His back continued to bother him & kept him sidelined most of the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted January 28, 2005 Share Posted January 28, 2005 QUOTE(JUGGERNAUT @ Jan 28, 2005 -> 04:00 PM) Even if they have seen medical reports Maggs hasn't swung a bat since June. It would be extremely foolish of the Tigs to sign hm to a 70/5 deal that was guaranteed. I am sure there are clauses based on ab's per year that drastically change the value of the contract. That would be the smart thing to do if you are trying to assume a risk other's are not in order to lock him up. Personally I wouldn't do it. Or I would like it to a successful ST for him. Boras has refused repeated work outs since Dec. He refused most medical report requests until just this month. It's safe to say Maggs has has little to no baseball activity for the past 8 months. Knee injuries are the hardest to come back from. They usually mean more down time for yrs to come. Thomas has been lucky in that respect. There's no guarantee Maggs will come back at play at an all-star level. I liken this situation to Gonzo. All the talent in the world, but when he got hurt he was never the same again. His back continued to bother him & kept him sidelined most of the time. I really don't think Magg's extra couple months vacation will harm his skills if he knee is sound. He may take a little longer to get the rust out, but he will have all of spring training to do that. Guys come back from knee injuries all the time now. Running backs in the NFL are playing after surgeries for torn ACLs. That didn't happen 10 years ago. Magglio's injury is unique. I've never heard of a professional athlete with it, that's why I'm so surprised many "experts" here seem to know that he'll be a shell of himself when he takes the field again. I believe the Gonzo you speak of is Juan Gonzalez, a great talent, but a big head case, and a bad back. Backs are the most mysterious injuries. If you have ever done something to your back you would definitely know. If I had to choose between a knee or back injury to come back from, I would choose the knee. Boras is a jackass, but if this Detroit stuff is true, you really have to hand it to him. It was just assumed he would sign a one year incentive laiden contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted January 28, 2005 Share Posted January 28, 2005 My guess is that the contract is very similar to the Jared Wright contract with the Yankees. A-lot of voidable stuff for days on the DL and little guarantees. My bet on the surprise team for sosa, the Rangers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabroni Posted January 28, 2005 Share Posted January 28, 2005 I really don't think Magg's extra couple months vacation will harm his skills if he knee is sound. He may take a little longer to get the rust out, but he will have all of spring training to do that. Guys come back from knee injuries all the time now. Running backs in the NFL are playing after surgeries for torn ACLs. That didn't happen 10 years ago. Magglio's injury is unique. I've never heard of a professional athlete with it, that's why I'm so surprised many "experts" here seem to know that he'll be a shell of himself when he takes the field again. I believe the Gonzo you speak of is Juan Gonzalez, a great talent, but a big head case, and a bad back. Backs are the most mysterious injuries. If you have ever done something to your back you would definitely know. If I had to choose between a knee or back injury to come back from, I would choose the knee. Boras is a jackass, but if this Detroit stuff is true, you really have to hand it to him. It was just assumed he would sign a one year incentive laiden contract. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I thought he was talking about Luis Gonzalez. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted January 28, 2005 Share Posted January 28, 2005 QUOTE(Jabroni @ Jan 28, 2005 -> 04:46 PM) I thought he was talking about Luis Gonzalez. Luis is Gonzo, but the back injury is Juan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted January 28, 2005 Share Posted January 28, 2005 QUOTE(Jabroni @ Jan 28, 2005 -> 04:46 PM) I thought he was talking about Luis Gonzalez. I don't think so. Before last year he has 8 straight years of 140 games or more played. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabroni Posted January 28, 2005 Share Posted January 28, 2005 "Rangers cautious with Ordonez Club needs to know slugger's health before engaging" http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/mlb/news/mlb...s_mlb&fext=.jsp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Lopez Ghost (old) Posted January 28, 2005 Share Posted January 28, 2005 QUOTE(HSC's Biggest Fan @ Jan 28, 2005 -> 04:45 PM) My guess is that the contract is very similar to the Jared Wright contract with the Yankees. A-lot of voidable stuff for days on the DL and little guarantees. My bet on the surprise team for sosa, the Rangers. I'm guessing Denver. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted January 28, 2005 Share Posted January 28, 2005 Yankees signed outfielder Colin Porter to a minor league contract and invited him to spring training. Porter, 29, appeared in the majors with the Astros and Cardinals the last two years, hitting .254/.265/.313 in 67 AB. He wouldn't really be any worse of a bench option than someone like Timo Perez, but he'll spend another year in Triple-A this season. Jan. 28 - 5:12 pm et Twins signed outfielder Armando Rios to a minor league contract and invited him to spring training. Rios, who didn't play in the majors last season, hit .294/.370/.508 in 38 games in Puerto Rico this winter. He could have a slim chance of beating out Michael Restovich or Eric Munson for a bench spot. Jan. 28 - 4:39 pm et Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabroni Posted January 29, 2005 Share Posted January 29, 2005 http://rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/p...ort=MLB&id=6451 Latest News Jan. 28, 2005 - 7:32 pm et Devil Rays agreed to terms with shortstop Julio Lugo on a one-year, $3.35 million contract. Lugo, who made $1.75 million last season, asked for $3.8 million and was offered $3.1 million in arbitration. The 29-year-old will be eligible for free agency after 2006. http://rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/p...ort=MLB&id=6599 Latest News Jan. 28, 2005 - 7:34 pm et Devil Rays agreed to terms with catcher Toby Hall on a one-year, $1.95 million contract. Hall, who was eligible for arbitration for the first time, asked for $2.25 million and was offered $1.7 million. The trade talk surrounding him has died down, so it's likely he'll spend at least the first half of the year as Tampa Bay's starting catcher. I'm betting that Lugo will be moved by the trading deadline this season. $3.35 million is alot of money when your team's payroll is only $30 million. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted January 29, 2005 Share Posted January 29, 2005 Sosa to B'more for Jerry Hairston and 4 minor Leaguers is big rumor floating around the net right now. Bruce Levine says many details still need to be ironed out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Tizzle Posted January 29, 2005 Share Posted January 29, 2005 QUOTE(Gene Honda Civic @ Jan 28, 2005 -> 07:22 PM) Sosa to B'more for Jerry Hairston and 4 minor Leaguers is big rumor floating around the net right now. Bruce Levine says many details still need to be ironed out. Do general managers understand how to negotiate? You shouldn't have to offer Hendry, Hairston/4 prospects unless these 4 prospects all are comparable to career minor leaguers. If Orioles are trading any valuable prospects (ideally their highly regarded pitchers) a large amount of Sosa's contract should be eaten by the Tribune. It irritates me to watch other clubs humor the Cubs with Sosa discussions. Baltimore doesn't need offense, dammit; they need to develop pitching. No need to "steal headlines" or create the "offseason splash" if it involves this dope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Tizzle Posted January 29, 2005 Share Posted January 29, 2005 Also important to note subtracting Sosa would push the Tribune into the bidding for Ordonez. :puke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted January 29, 2005 Share Posted January 29, 2005 QUOTE(Flash Tizzle @ Jan 28, 2005 -> 07:50 PM) Also important to note subtracting Sosa would push the Tribune into the bidding for Ordonez. :puke <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I could see the Cubs trading some of these prospects to the Twins for Jacque "Strap" Jones, who'll go on to kill the Sox for years to come. On Comcast sports Net tonight, one of the Cubune writers said the Cubs will not offer Maggs anything more than a 2 year deal, and it has to have and "out" clause for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted January 29, 2005 Share Posted January 29, 2005 QUOTE(Flash Tizzle @ Jan 28, 2005 -> 07:50 PM) Also important to note subtracting Sosa would push the Tribune into the bidding for Ordonez. :puke Not if the reports of Detroit's willingness to go 5 years are true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngelasDaddy0427 Posted January 29, 2005 Share Posted January 29, 2005 WGN is talking about the Sosa deal as if it's done... Insane... Baltimore must be nuts! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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