mreye Posted November 19, 2004 Share Posted November 19, 2004 Which is why I described in detail all the cowardly things terrorists have done over the years? Did I mention the Achille Lauro, where the ever courageous Abu Abbas shot a wheelchair bound American in the head and threw his body into the Mediterranean? To think that I have any regard for the safety or their lives would be naive. Its too bad that the AIDS epidemic raging through South Africa isnt raging through the Mid East. We could completely do without that region of the planet. :headshake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted November 19, 2004 Share Posted November 19, 2004 Which is why I described in detail all the cowardly things terrorists have done over the years? Did I mention the Achille Lauro, where the ever courageous Abu Abbas shot a wheelchair bound American in the head and threw his body into the Mediterranean? To think that I have any regard for the safety or their lives would be naive. Its too bad that the AIDS epidemic raging through South Africa isnt raging through the Mid East. We could completely do without that region of the planet. When did I4E move to Hawaii? Not cool dude. You may wish to re-think and hit edit, or not. :headshake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 19, 2004 Share Posted November 19, 2004 Which is why I described in detail all the cowardly things terrorists have done over the years? Did I mention the Achille Lauro, where the ever courageous Abu Abbas shot a wheelchair bound American in the head and threw his body into the Mediterranean? To think that I have any regard for the safety or their lives would be naive. Its too bad that the AIDS epidemic raging through South Africa isnt raging through the Mid East. We could completely do without that region of the planet. Too bad the English didn't drop off that measile ridden blanket in Hawaii when they had the chance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted November 19, 2004 Share Posted November 19, 2004 Too bad the English didn't drop off that measile ridden blanket in Hawaii when they had the chance We could balance the budget and save Social Security by selling Hawaii to the Japanese. What do you think we could get for a developed island? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 19, 2004 Share Posted November 19, 2004 We could balance the budget and save Social Security by selling Hawaii to the Japanese. What do you think we could get for a developed island? The funny thing is, Japan couldn't buy a rock on Oahu right now because they have been a perpetual recession for about 15 years now, because their savings rates are too high, and the government refuses to infuse the economy at all, beyond their 0% interest rates. BTW as an FYI for everyone else, Hawaiisoxfn was good old Roman. He has been banned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted November 19, 2004 Share Posted November 19, 2004 (edited) The funny thing is, Japan couldn't buy a rock on Oahu right now because they have been a perpetual recession for about 15 years now, because their savings rates are too high, and the government refuses to infuse the economy at all, beyond their 0% interest rates. BTW as an FYI for everyone else, Hawaiisoxfn was good old Roman. He has been banned. Roman Mem’ries, Like the corners of my mind Misty water-colored memories Of the way we were Scattered pictures, Of the smiles we left behind Smiles we gave to one another For the way we were Can it be that it was all so simple then? Or has time re-written every line? If we had the chance to do it all again Tell me, would we? could we? Mem’ries, may be beautiful and yet What’s too painful to remember We simply choose to forget So it’s the laughter We will remember Whenever we remember... The way we were... The way we were... Nice catch Southsider. May I take this moment to again thank you for the diligent manner in which you perform your duties. This would be a wild and wooly place, unfit for man or beast, if you were not so quick a detective Edited November 19, 2004 by Texsox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUKE_CLEVELAND Posted November 19, 2004 Share Posted November 19, 2004 How about fight to the death? Once they are wounded do they toss aside their weapons and just lie there waiting for the enemy? Are you stating that proper procedure is shooting wounded soldiers? What happens when the enemy believes they cannot surrender? The soldier on the ground clearing a building has about 1/4 of a second to decide whether someone poses a threat to him or not. Nobody here is in a position to question the judgement of someone in that situation. The enemy knows very well that he can surrender but he isin't doing his comrades any favors when they fake it as they have done so many times in the past. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted November 19, 2004 Share Posted November 19, 2004 The soldier on the ground clearing a building has about 1/4 of a second to decide whether someone poses a threat to him or not. Nobody here is in a position to question the judgement of someone in that situation. The enemy knows very well that he can surrender but he isin't doing his comrades any favors when they fake it as they have done so many times in the past. What does he care ... he's headed toward 72 virgins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted November 19, 2004 Share Posted November 19, 2004 The soldier on the ground clearing a building has about 1/4 of a second to decide whether someone poses a threat to him or not. Nobody here is in a position to question the judgement of someone in that situation. The enemy knows very well that he can surrender but he isin't doing his comrades any favors when they fake it as they have done so many times in the past. Two different situations. I agree 100% with what you are saying regarding moving into an unknown situation in a building in Iraq. It is something I would never want to experience. You do have to make a split decision, you have to decide if it is an enemy, an unarmed civilian, a US troop, or a wounded enenmy. I can fully understand mistakes happening, and am truly impressed that it doesn't happen more often in this building to building, room to room, fighting. US soldiers are the best trained, most highly skilled in the world. At least from what I see and hear. This was an area that they allowed a camera crew into, and an enemy they stood over, and clearly the men involved didn't seem to fear for their lives. It wasn't a split second decision. The brass needs to quickly remove this guy, have him evaluated, and an appropriate course of action found. Based on some of the quotes I've read, it seems he needs treatment, not punishment. My concern is we are creating a situation that feeds into the enemies psychological plans. They are convincing a generation of the evil pigs we are, and when we have these abuses, it confirms what the enemy is saying. I want, for the safety of US soldiers, the belief in the enemy that life is better when they surrender. That they might not get 72 virgins, but they will get three squares a day in a nice warm jail, and be treated like humans. Wouldn't it be nice if they ran into our jails, fleeing their commanders instead of fearing they will be shot, or abused? It is also the treatment we should demand from an enemy. It is on a much higher moral plane to ask for what you give. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mreye Posted November 19, 2004 Share Posted November 19, 2004 BTW as an FYI for everyone else, Hawaiisoxfn was good old Roman. He has been banned. Nice catch! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted November 19, 2004 Share Posted November 19, 2004 Nice catch! Ahh Alex, "What is something not said to Jose Valentin last season?" Correct, please choose a category Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mreye Posted November 19, 2004 Share Posted November 19, 2004 Ahh Alex, "What is something not said to Jose Valentin last season?" Correct, please choose a category Nice! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlaSoxxJim Posted November 19, 2004 Share Posted November 19, 2004 Nice catch! You can't teach an Old Roman new tricks... Knowing it was Roman, it's pretty impressive he made it almost a month before the hate bombs got launched. Must have been killing him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 19, 2004 Share Posted November 19, 2004 You can't teach an Old Roman new tricks... Knowing it was Roman, it's pretty impressive he made it almost a month before the hate bombs got launched. Must have been killing him. I guess we just need to periodically throw out a "Frank Thomas sucks" thread just to lure him out if he is hiding in the weeds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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LowerCaseRepublican Posted November 22, 2004 Share Posted November 22, 2004 The guy who filmed the video has released a statement about what happened. http://www.kevinsites.net/2004_11_21_archi...107420331292115 It's a long read but really good because it's a first hand account of what when down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilMonkey Posted November 29, 2004 Share Posted November 29, 2004 Just a thought here, but every story I see on this has a headline saying something like "Muslims angry at shooting IN mosque". Why aren't the headlines more ike "Muslims angry at shooting FROM mosque"? Why are they not upset that these people are using a holy place as a battleground? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LowerCaseRepublican Posted November 29, 2004 Share Posted November 29, 2004 Just a thought here, but every story I see on this has a headline saying something like "Muslims angry at shooting IN mosque". Why aren't the headlines more ike "Muslims angry at shooting FROM mosque"? Why are they not upset that these people are using a holy place as a battleground? About 50 years worth of US supported authoritarian dictators, weapons smuggling and election fraud assistance tends to leave a bad taste in their mouth regarding the United States. Plus they see us as occupiers and not "benevolent liberators" and want us the Hell out so they don't identify with us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUKE_CLEVELAND Posted November 29, 2004 Share Posted November 29, 2004 About 50 years worth of US supported authoritarian dictators, weapons smuggling and election fraud assistance tends to leave a bad taste in their mouth regarding the United States. Plus they see us as occupiers and not "benevolent liberators" and want us the Hell out so they don't identify with us. Anyone whos been there knows thats a bunch of bulls***, including me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LowerCaseRepublican Posted November 29, 2004 Share Posted November 29, 2004 Anyone whos been there knows thats a bunch of bulls***, including me. I've talked to people who were there -- lots of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilMonkey Posted November 29, 2004 Share Posted November 29, 2004 About 50 years worth of US supported authoritarian dictators, weapons smuggling and election fraud assistance tends to leave a bad taste in their mouth regarding the United States. Plus they see us as occupiers and not "benevolent liberators" and want us the Hell out so they don't identify with us. That still doesn't explain it. Why was there a lack of anger at the mosques being used as bases and firezones BEFORE we went in there to root them out? This is like Saddam using hostages as hman shields, damned if you do, damned if you don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LowerCaseRepublican Posted November 29, 2004 Share Posted November 29, 2004 First off Evil Monkey (and completely off topic) did you get my PM? Secondly, how many average Iraqis knew it was going on? I Googled the topic and found this: "This cowboy behavior cannot be accepted," cleric Abdullah Abu Omar of the Ramadi Mosque told the Associated Press. I think he was blanketing both sides with this statement. And in some further Googling I found this --"The hadith (narration on the prophet) states that he hid in the Mosque his weapons to fight. First off we must remember that the hadiths are not part of the Qu'ran, but many Muslims follow it...Groups of their "Jihad" are trying to follow the procedure of Muhammad, the way that Muhammad was able to fight the unbelievers." Ah religious fundamentalism, you cause yet more death and destruction. Nothing wrong with religion per se, but when anybody starts getting militant about it -- they might want to calm down and do something else with some of their time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilMonkey Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 First off Evil Monkey (and completely off topic) did you get my PM? Secondly, how many average Iraqis knew it was going on? I Googled the topic and found this: "This cowboy behavior cannot be accepted," cleric Abdullah Abu Omar of the Ramadi Mosque told the Associated Press. I think he was blanketing both sides with this statement. And in some further Googling I found this --"The hadith (narration on the prophet) states that he hid in the Mosque his weapons to fight. First off we must remember that the hadiths are not part of the Qu'ran, but many Muslims follow it...Groups of their "Jihad" are trying to follow the procedure of Muhammad, the way that Muhammad was able to fight the unbelievers." Ah religious fundamentalism, you cause yet more death and destruction. Nothing wrong with religion per se, but when anybody starts getting militant about it -- they might want to calm down and do something else with some of their time. YES, I got your PM. Thanks. On the other subject at hand, I would have to disagree with you that the clerics statement was adressing both sides. I just don't see it, don't hear it and don't read it. Sure the wording is ambigous enough that we can both interpret it our ways, so we will have to just disagree there. But to me it is just looney to think that the average Iraqi doesn't know that there are people inside mosques, shooting at coalition forces, from within the mosque. The fact that these people, be they Iraqis or outsiders, are taking refuge in a mosque and shooting from within should have every Iraqi citizen up in arms screaming at them to leave, or even forcing them to do so. If they can get so adamant against our forces for simply being there, why can't they get off their collective asses and do something for themselves? It is just hypocracy at its finest on the part of the muslims. I will, however, agree with your last paragraph. Some people need better hobbies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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