Steff Posted November 17, 2004 Share Posted November 17, 2004 Like I told ya Kenny fustrated and its not because of boras. Its all of Uncle Jerry Jerry does not own the Sox, so no.. it's not all him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted November 17, 2004 Share Posted November 17, 2004 The reports of Beltran becoming the best player in baseball are grossly overstated, IMHO. Agreed! Is he good? Yes. Is he an All-Star? Yes. Is he worth 20 million a year over 10 years? Not even close. People like Boras need to realize that the economics of baseball has changed and teams are realizing that if you want to be good, you cant go giving 20 million a year. Boras's requests for Beltran and Mags are going to be rediculus and no one will pay it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 17, 2004 Share Posted November 17, 2004 There's no question of Reinsdorf's cheapness, yet this article is full of his usual slanderous comments towards our organization. In particular is the paragraph devoted to Magglio's injury. He describes the White Sox as "bungling" the situation. f***ing moron. Where is the information detailing Magg's mysterious surgery in Austria, or how super-agent Scott Boras refuses to allow teams examination of his knee WITHOUT a serious offer. Williams offered him a generious contract and he turned it down. What is Williams left to do, enter a bidding war for an outfielder recovering from a rare knee injury? It would be classic Mariotti to rip Reinsdorf if Ordonez was resigned and he reinjured himself. And if one actually critically reads the article, there is a whole lot more than that wrong with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted November 17, 2004 Share Posted November 17, 2004 Boras said that he has no problems with the Sox , KW or Reinsdorf. Boras also explained KW comment as he just doesn't know if the Sox have the finances to work out a deal with his clients and Boras doesn't think its personal. Boras is very professional and very informative. Boras is actually a really good spin doctor. I dont think he is "professional and very informative". I think he is a weasle and sly. He'll do anything to get his client max dollars, even when they arent worth as much as they get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANDYTHECLOWN Posted November 17, 2004 Share Posted November 17, 2004 My God.. the offseason is not even half over. Run all you chicken littles.. run, run.... :rolly Oh please. Every offseason is the same. Don't blame people for being pessimistic because when have we signed a free agent worth a damn? Last one I remember was Albert Belle. Chicken little my ass---how about fed up and realistic? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilJester99 Posted November 17, 2004 Share Posted November 17, 2004 Boras is actually a really good spin doctor. I dont think he is "professional and very informative". I think he is a weasle and sly. He'll do anything to get his client max dollars, even when they arent worth as much as they get. Exactly how is that Boras' fault though? I mean if I had an agent I would hope he'd look for as much as he could get for me too. Its the teams/owners who are responsible to pay it. If they agree to the demands they must feel the player is worth the money. IMO I'm not sayin I'm just sayin here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 17, 2004 Share Posted November 17, 2004 Oh please. Every offseason is the same. Don't blame people for being pessimistic because when have we signed a free agent worth a damn? Last one I remember was Albert Belle. Chicken little my ass---how about fed up and realistic? Why is there such a group that thinks that the ONLY way you can improve a team is through free agency? Take off the horse blinders and see that you can improve a team through trades and the draft. Why is there this singular obcession over free agency???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted November 17, 2004 Share Posted November 17, 2004 And if one actually critically reads the article, there is a whole lot more than that wrong with it. I like where he siad the Sox spent like a small market team. Last i checked, they spent nearly $70 million on payroll. If it werent for teams like New York and Boston, the sox wouldnt look so bad. Excluding the top 3 spending teams, and the bottom 3 spenidng teams, the league average is $65,975,506 (according to the numbers on ESPN.com). Last I checked, we are spending ABOVE the league average. I dont have a problem with that. You can win spening $70 million, unfortunetly, we had several KEY injuries that we couldnt over come. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 17, 2004 Share Posted November 17, 2004 I like where he siad the Sox spent like a small market team. Last i checked, they spent nearly $70 million on payroll. If it werent for teams like New York and Boston, the sox wouldnt look so bad. Excluding the top 3 spending teams, and the bottom 3 spenidng teams, the league average is $65,975,506 (according to the numbers on ESPN.com). Last I checked, we are spending ABOVE the league average. I dont have a problem with that. You can win spening $70 million, unfortunetly, we had several KEY injuries that we couldnt over come. Or the basic conflict of journalistic integrity of writing an article praising an agent, the day that you are going to have them on your show. Huh, I wonder if that was coinicidence :rolly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted November 17, 2004 Share Posted November 17, 2004 Exactly how is that Boras' fault though? I mean if I had an agent I would hope he'd look for as much as he could get for me too. Its the teams/owners who are responsible to pay it. If they agree to the demands they must feel the player is worth the money. IMO I'm not sayin I'm just sayin here. I am not saying Boras is bad at what he does. He is the BEST agent in all of sports. No doubt in my mind. But I also understand where the White Sox are coming from when they say they dont want to deal with him. Not that they dont like his clients, they just refuse to pay the inflated prices for his clients. Let other teams outbid for players and be held as a financial hostage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted November 17, 2004 Share Posted November 17, 2004 Or the basic conflict of journalistic integrity of writing an article praising an agent, the day that you are going to have them on your show. Huh, I wonder if that was coinicidence :rolly I didnt know Boras was on Kotex Boys show today. I dont listen to him after 9am (I'd rather listen to Boers and Bersie) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted November 17, 2004 Share Posted November 17, 2004 KW shows his dumbass gm skills over and over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted November 17, 2004 Share Posted November 17, 2004 Oh please. Every offseason is the same. Don't blame people for being pessimistic because when have we signed a free agent worth a damn? Last one I remember was Albert Belle. Chicken little my ass---how about fed up and realistic? Oh please yourself. Apparently I hit a nerve.. Boo f***ing hoo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulokis Posted November 17, 2004 Share Posted November 17, 2004 All I can say is we will forever be on the middle and not on top because whenever we just needed a good starter, a good bat etc. the money aspect of our team always holds us back. There is nothing wrong with spending a little bit more so finally we can finish 1st and not in the middle of the pack each and every year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted November 17, 2004 Share Posted November 17, 2004 This article is lame. How many Boras clients has Beane signed? How many Boras clients did the Marlins have? How many did the Red Sox have? 1 agent, does not make or break a team. And in fact, you could make a case that many teams would of been more successful had they not decided to sign a Boras client... Milwood, Maddux, A-Rod, ... SB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchetman Posted November 17, 2004 Share Posted November 17, 2004 Why is there such a group that thinks that the ONLY way you can improve a team is through free agency? Take off the horse blinders and see that you can improve a team through trades and the draft. Why is there this singular obcession over free agency???? As you outlined, there are three tools to improve a team. Completely refusing to use one of them pisses off a lot of fans. Not sure how you can blame them. It's not even like we're excellent at the other two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 17, 2004 Share Posted November 17, 2004 As you outlined, there are three tools to improve a team. Completely refusing to use one of them pisses off a lot of fans. Not sure how you can blame them. It's not even like we're excellent at the other two. Because of the attendance, we can't afford to go out and sign big name guys. It is that simple. We can't afford to spend rediculous amounts of money on players. I know it is easy to say sign this guy or that guy, but especially when it comes to Borass, there is a history of those players being way overpaid. Go back and look at the contracts that this guy has gotten his players. Go look at teams like the Mets, the Orioles, the Rockies, the Diamondbacks, the Tigers, etc and tell me what their stupid spending in FA has gotten them. The only remote success story is AZ and they have $300 million in debt and a fire sale to show for it. That team won't be good again for decades because they handed out huge contracts that they couldn't afford. Obsessing about free agency like it is the be all end all of building a team is incredibly short sighted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchetman Posted November 17, 2004 Share Posted November 17, 2004 Obsessing about free agency like it is the be all end all of building a team is incredibly short sighted. So is ignoring it completely. There's no reason why we can't afford to sign a decent FA now and again... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 17, 2004 Share Posted November 17, 2004 So is ignoring it completely. There's no reason why we can't afford to sign a decent FA now and again... We obviously aren't ignoring it completely. They are out there bidding on players, they just aren't looking to do something stupid while doing it. They had a bid out for Omar, they just weren't willing to give a 38 year old a 3 year contract. Just because they winning, doesn't mean they aren't trying. I'd much rather see Omar go to SF for 3 years, than here, and I would much rather see Washington sign Guzman for almost $17 million than us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted November 17, 2004 Share Posted November 17, 2004 So is ignoring it completely. There's no reason why we can't afford to sign a decent FA now and again... Apparently they'd rather try to trade for someone at the ASB. When they're in the hunt of course.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchetman Posted November 17, 2004 Share Posted November 17, 2004 We obviously aren't ignoring it completely. They are out there bidding on players, they just aren't looking to do something stupid while doing it. They had a bid out for Omar, they just weren't willing to give a 38 year old a 3 year contract. Just because they winning, doesn't mean they aren't trying. I'd much rather see Omar go to SF for 3 years, than here, and I would much rather see Washington sign Guzman for almost $17 million than us. according to your logic every free agent signing is a bad one. what if we signed jason schmidt a few years ago instead of dicking around with the wells, ritchie, colon, and garcia experiments? it's been 8 years since we signed anyone of significance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANDYTHECLOWN Posted November 17, 2004 Share Posted November 17, 2004 Oh please yourself. Apparently I hit a nerve.. Boo f***ing hoo. Boo hoo yourself. every single year the White sox are a few pieces short of contending/winning. Free Agency is one way to fill in needs on a yearly basis--especially when we let players go via free agency or trade them at the prior years' deadline. Last year a fifth starter should have been signed, and a reliever who wasn't a "gamble." This year we need the same damn things, and we wont get them. If they prove me wrong, I will glady shut my yapper. I am a season ticket holder of many years who cannot take much more--especially since the ticket prices, parking, and booze goes up almost yearly yet the product on the field is always short of expectations. We have no farm system, we have no young talent to look forward to, and the veterans we have arent enough to get me excited about this year. The White Sox need to go for it this year, or tear it down and build a farm system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 17, 2004 Share Posted November 17, 2004 according to your logic every free agent signing is a bad one. what if we signed jason schmidt a few years ago instead of dicking around with the wells, ritchie, colon, and garcia experiments? it's been 8 years since we signed anyone of significance. What do you mean by significant? If you mean the highest contract in the game, yeah Albert Belle was the last one. If you mean starters it hasn't been nearly that long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchetman Posted November 17, 2004 Share Posted November 17, 2004 What do you mean by significant? If you mean the highest contract in the game, yeah Albert Belle was the last one. If you mean starters it hasn't been nearly that long. how about someone you would consider an above average starter (position or pitcher)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted November 17, 2004 Share Posted November 17, 2004 Boo hoo yourself. every single year the White sox are a few pieces short of contending/winning. Free Agency is one way to fill in needs on a yearly basis--especially when we let players go via free agency or trade them at the prior years' deadline. Last year a fifth starter should have been signed, and a reliever who wasn't a "gamble." This year we need the same damn things, and we wont get them. If they prove me wrong, I will glady shut my yapper. I am a season ticket holder of many years who cannot take much more--especially since the ticket prices, parking, and booze goes up almost yearly yet the product on the field is always short of expectations. We have no farm system, we have no young talent to look forward to, and the veterans we have arent enough to get me excited about this year. The White Sox need to go for it this year, or tear it down and build a farm system. They need much improvement.. thank you Capt'n Obvious.. now how about telling us something we don't know. And there's no need to "boo hoo" me. I'm not whining and crying on November 17th that nothing's been done with 4 months to spring training. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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