Molto Posted November 18, 2004 Share Posted November 18, 2004 If it were me, here's what I'd do. But it won't happen, so what's the difference. 1. Sign Nomar and get this SS thing over with, and make the big PR splash. 2. Sign a good sinker ball starter like Leiber. Clement would be ok too. 3. Forget about the Randy Johnson stuff and put the assets into getting Kendall. 4. Add an arm to the bullpen, either by trade, non tender, whatever. If they like this guy Chacon and think they can get him productive, trade a middle level prospect and get it done. 5. Sit back and wait for the non tenders to see if you can get another guy for the OF. Preferably a guy who can play CF and slide Rowand to RF. Everett is your insurance policy in case Frank isn't healthy and gives the corner outfielders a break a few times a week. It adds payroll and that's why it won't happen. But it sure would solve problems. because of the Sox financial ways and their park, I think it's important for them to take advantage of Garciaparra, Dye type players. Guys who are talented, but because of injuries, won't get a long-term deal so will likely sign a one-year deal and cash in the next year. Why do the Sox do this? #1 - One-year deal means no committment #2 - An offensive player would love to come here and pad their stats in the Cell. #3 - Looking for a big contract you know these guys are going to stay healthy and bust their ass ... so you get the production out them and let them walk the next season. this only works on offense. for pitchers, look for the best and sign them long-term. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnthraxFan93 Posted November 18, 2004 Share Posted November 18, 2004 I don't recall saying Harris was the answer....... I do recall the White Sox acquiring Alomar because they were in the playoff race and wanted a veteran like Alomar. That doesn't mean we got Alomar because Harris is bad, but because Alomar is better. Harris isn't great, and probably will never be great. And if you have a chance to have someone at second who is more proven, even if it is someone like Uribe, then you do it, BUT that doesn't mean Harris sucks. BTW, Harris didn't play everyday in 2003. And when he did, he spent much of it in CF, a new position to him. I think it's unfair to tell someone to play not just a new position, but a tough position, and expect that player to just reach his potential on offense as well. I know all about Harris playing CF.. I had Season tickets in Right Center, becuase I thoght A-row would finally be able to show the Sox nation how good I knew he was. You don't give any other player to play 2b, so I would go that you think that Harriss is the answer to our 2b I'm confused on your Robby/Harris comment.. it makes no sense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molto Posted November 18, 2004 Share Posted November 18, 2004 I know all about Harris playing CF.. I had Season tickets in Right Center, becuase I thoght A-row would finally be able to show the Sox nation how good I knew he was. You don't give any other player to play 2b, so I would go that you think that Harriss is the answer to our 2b I'm confused on your Robby/Harris comment.. it makes no sense it's actually quite simple. If there are two players, and one is better than the other, it doesn't mean the other sucks, he just isn't as good as the other. Last season Roberto Alomar was a better and more proven player over Harris. That doesn't mean Harris sucks, that means Alomar is better. If you have a chance to get a second baseman who is more proven and better than Harris, do so, but don't do so in a desperate manner, with the belief that Harris is no capable of producing. I don't know what's hard to understand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnthraxFan93 Posted November 18, 2004 Share Posted November 18, 2004 I don't know what's hard to understand. mayeb you should ask yourself that question.. If you as a GM think your players are good you don't go and trade for a player at the same postion now do you? I mean Steve Finley was out there last year I didn't see us go after him.. Why you ask, its very simple Aarron Rowand was producing, something in the 2 years Harris stiil has not done while on the big league club. And he never will, they handed the job of 2b to him 2 times.. only for him to prove that he is not worthy of it.. I don't see what so hard to understand about that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted November 18, 2004 Share Posted November 18, 2004 mayeb you should ask yourself that question.. If you as a GM think your players are good you don't go and trade for a player at the same postion now do you? I mean Steve Finley was out there last year I didn't see us go after him.. Why you ask, its very simple Aarron Rowand was producing, something in the 2 years Harris stiil has not done while on the big league club. And he never will, they handed the job of 2b to him 2 times.. only for him to prove that he is not worthy of it.. I don't see what so hard to understand about that? I think it has everything to do with a willingness to upgrade. My belief on Sox managements viewpoint on Harris ... they think he's serviceable, with an upside still. They also think he does some things very well defensively, but they're disappointed he didn't progress further with the mental aspects of the game. They think he's ok, and are willing to give him another chance but they are also willing to upgrade if the right situation comes along. They felt they had the perfect situation in Vizquel, with Uribe playing a lot at 2B. Oops, that didn't work. So now, they're backpeddling and saying all the politically correct things about Harris, and Uribe for that matter. My understanding BTW is the Sox did at least inquire about Finley near the deadline but it never got serious. Finley wanted to stay on the west coast, at least at that point in time he did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molto Posted November 18, 2004 Share Posted November 18, 2004 mayeb you should ask yourself that question.. If you as a GM think your players are good you don't go and trade for a player at the same postion now do you? I mean Steve Finley was out there last year I didn't see us go after him.. Why you ask, its very simple Aarron Rowand was producing, something in the 2 years Harris stiil has not done while on the big league club. And he never will, they handed the job of 2b to him 2 times.. only for him to prove that he is not worthy of it.. I don't see what so hard to understand about that? umm, baseball isn't PS2 ... you aren't making trades with a computer... I never said Harris is good. Last year, the Sox were in a playoff run and wanted a veteran like Alomar, so they got him. That doesn't mean Harris isn't good, it just means that they were in a playoff run and wanted experience ... I think it's clear Harris didn't have experience and still has question marks in his game. as JimH said, Harris is servicable. If he starts at second, fine, but if you have the chance to get a better player or land a player who will bring more to the table DOWN THE STRETCH RUN, you do it. BUT, that doesn't mean Harris is useless and you need to do whatever it takes to replace him. finding a 2B and SS isn't very important. would it be nice? of course, but it shouldn't be a top priority ... adding a starter and reliever should. and they handed him the job twice? when you give a player a starting job, you should actually give it to him and see what he can do with it over a long period of time ... the Sox didn't. the point is, just because a player has talent, doesn't mean he's an automatic producer and just because a guy struggles in limited playing time doesn't mean he's terrible. Sometimes, as a GM, you have to put together a team, see where the team goes and then make moves midway through the season to help put you over the top. that is what happened with Alomar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted November 18, 2004 Share Posted November 18, 2004 mayeb you should ask yourself that question.. If you as a GM think your players are good you don't go and trade for a player at the same postion now do you? I mean Steve Finley was out there last year I didn't see us go after him.. Why you ask, its very simple Aarron Rowand was producing, something in the 2 years Harris stiil has not done while on the big league club. And he never will, they handed the job of 2b to him 2 times.. only for him to prove that he is not worthy of it.. I don't see what so hard to understand about that? Um, ya, we would have went after finley. But there was a slight problem. He did not want to come to chicago, he wanted to stay on the west coast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnthraxFan93 Posted November 18, 2004 Share Posted November 18, 2004 Um, ya, we would have went after finley. But there was a slight problem. He did not want to come to chicago, he wanted to stay on the west coast. Thats not the point the point is, you don't trade for players when you have players there that are doing their job... Aaron does his job and does it very well.. Willie does not do his job, so we traded for Alomar.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted November 18, 2004 Share Posted November 18, 2004 Thats not the point the point is, you don't trade for players when you have players there that are doing their job... Aaron does his job and does it very well.. Willie does not do his job, so we traded for Alomar.. Does not matter we needed an outfielder period. Why do you think we got everett once more? For the hell of it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnthraxFan93 Posted November 18, 2004 Share Posted November 18, 2004 Does not matter we needed an outfielder period. Why do you think we got everett once more? For the hell of it? Because KW has a hard on for him and Robby Alomar?? But you r still missing the point. Did we trade for a CF or a LF ??? And in no way shape or form would I say Carla is a CF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted November 18, 2004 Share Posted November 18, 2004 Because KW has a hard on for him and Robby Alomar?? But you r still missing the point. Did we trade for a CF or a LF ??? Yes, everett. You are not understanding something apparently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnthraxFan93 Posted November 18, 2004 Share Posted November 18, 2004 Yes, everett. You are not understanding something apparently. Have you watch Carla play CF???? I think sticking a tackling dummy out there would give the Sox more range in CF than Carla. I don't understand how you people are missing the fa-king point here, HARRIS AND URIBE ARE NOT THE ANSWER TO our middle INF... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted November 18, 2004 Share Posted November 18, 2004 Have you watch Carla play CF???? I think sticking a tackling dummy out there would give the Sox more range in CF than Carla. You asked if they traded for a left fielder of a centerfielder did you not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted November 18, 2004 Share Posted November 18, 2004 Everett was acquired (the 2nd time) to be the DH replacement for Frank. But just because the Sox didn't make a trade for an OF doesn't mean they didn't try, or aren't trying. They're always looking to upgrade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnthraxFan93 Posted November 18, 2004 Share Posted November 18, 2004 You asked if they traded for a left fielder of a centerfielder did you not? Yes I Did.. and do you think they would have traded Carla (Who should be a bat boy) o play CF with the season Rowand was having? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnthraxFan93 Posted November 18, 2004 Share Posted November 18, 2004 Thank you Jim.. for proving my point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted November 18, 2004 Share Posted November 18, 2004 Everett was acquired (the 2nd time) to be the DH replacement for Frank. But just because the Sox didn't make a trade for an OF doesn't mean they didn't try, or aren't trying. They're always looking to upgrade. I know this, but he asked me if they traded for a center fielder or a left fielder and technically they did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnthraxFan93 Posted November 18, 2004 Share Posted November 18, 2004 I know this, but he asked me if they traded for a center fielder or a left fielder and technically they did. And technically Jon Rauch is a 20 game winner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted November 18, 2004 Share Posted November 18, 2004 And technically Jon Rauch is a 20 game winner I'm totally lost now. How is Rauch a 20 game winner? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnthraxFan93 Posted November 18, 2004 Share Posted November 18, 2004 I'm totally lost now. How is Rauch a 20 game winner? The same wway he Classifys Carla as a CF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted November 18, 2004 Share Posted November 18, 2004 And technically Jon Rauch is a 20 game winner Does everett play left field? Thought so. All you asked is if they traded for a left fielder, so i would not be wrong in saying that they did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnthraxFan93 Posted November 18, 2004 Share Posted November 18, 2004 Does everett play left field? Thought so. All you asked is if they traded for a left fielder, so i would not be wrong in saying that they did. NO he attempts to play CF.. and like stated b4.. a tackling dummy has more range than Carla. And also as stated b4 he was brought in to DH not play the Field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted November 18, 2004 Share Posted November 18, 2004 The same wway he Classifys Carla as a CF Again, you're putting words in people's mouths. Quit doing that. Qwert called him a left fielder, never -- ever, a center fielder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted November 18, 2004 Share Posted November 18, 2004 But Carla is listed as a CF... not a LF.. How many games -- this season, for the Sox -- or for the Expos, for that matter, did Everett play CF? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnthraxFan93 Posted November 18, 2004 Share Posted November 18, 2004 How many games -- this season, for the Sox -- or for the Expos, for that matter, did Everett play CF? Up until this year Carla has always played CF.. maybe someone realized the same thing I did.. oo about game 2 of him in a Sox Uni.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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