beck72 Posted November 18, 2004 Author Share Posted November 18, 2004 How do you know there are no other offers? I've heard that teams are interested, and Addison mentioned something about the Blue Jays making a push. I hope you're right, but I doubt it. Koskie told the local MN paper that only MN's offer was on the table. I think it was the Pioneer Press but I'll include the Link. He also said he wanted "fair value". Sounded like he didn't think MN's offer was fair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted November 18, 2004 Author Share Posted November 18, 2004 Here's the part where he hadn't received an offer yet. Another article mentioned what the offer was------------------------------------------------ Thu, Nov. 18, 2004 Twins, Koskie negotiate BY GORDON WITTENMYER Pioneer Press Even before they lost shortstop Cristian Guzman to the Washington franchise Tuesday, the Twins took the first step in an effort to prevent losing the entire left side of their infield, opening negotiations with free-agent third baseman Corey Koskie. The Twins made what Koskie said he hopes is a starting-point offer early in the week. He wouldn't reveal details of the offer, but it is believed to be a multiyear deal. He made $4.5 million in 2004, the final year of a four-year, $10.5 million package. "It's pretty encouraging," Koskie said. "We'll just have to wait and see how it all pans out." Koskie said he hasn't received offers from any other teams, although several expressed interest last week when the free-agent period opened. Seattle and Toronto are expected to be two of his strongest pursuers, and he confirmed that Detroit has contacted his agent. The relocating Montreal Expos also tried to get Koskie, along with Guzman, before signing the more affordable Vinny Castilla (two years, $6.2 million) Tuesday. Washington general manager Jim Bowden said Koskie wanted more money and more years. Koskie, a .280 lifetime hitter and one of the better-fielding third basemen in the American League, said he views an acceptable offer less in terms of market value than "fair" value. "I've got a number in my head, and I figure it's a fair number, so we'll just have to wait and see," he said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackie hayes Posted November 18, 2004 Share Posted November 18, 2004 Right now, only Minn's offer is on the table, per Koskie in todays Pioneer Press [?]. The sox could come w/ a 3yr deal that Minn can't beat. Then the other teams have to s*** or get off the pot. At worst, an offer pushes him away from Minn. Why are you so sure that Minny "can't" go to 3 years? (Meant as a legitimate question, not a challenge.) I'm sure they'd like to limit it to 2 years, but I don't see why they'd make that a dealbreaker. Anyways, I'm sure he'll get more than $3.5 mil per for 2 years from someone, so I don't think that offer should be the benchmark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted November 18, 2004 Author Share Posted November 18, 2004 November 18 St. Paul Pioneer Press columnist Charley Walters (Scroll Down) (registration required): "The Twins have offered free-agent third baseman Corey Koskie, who was paid $4.5 million last season, a $7 million, two-year contract." ------------------------------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackie hayes Posted November 18, 2004 Share Posted November 18, 2004 November 18 St. Paul Pioneer Press columnist Charley Walters (Scroll Down) (registration required): "The Twins have offered free-agent third baseman Corey Koskie, who was paid $4.5 million last season, a $7 million, two-year contract." ------------------------------------------------------------ I believe your numbers, I wasn't challenging those. But just b/c no formal offers have been submitted yet doesn't mean very much. If I'm Koskie, I know they're coming (heck, look at what Vinny Castilla got). So if the Sox come in with a third year at the same rate, I think he'll just sit on it a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted November 18, 2004 Author Share Posted November 18, 2004 Why are you so sure that Minny "can't" go to 3 years? (Meant as a legitimate question, not a challenge.) I'm sure they'd like to limit it to 2 years, but I don't see why they'd make that a dealbreaker. Anyways, I'm sure he'll get more than $3.5 mil per for 2 years from someone, so I don't think that offer should be the benchmark. Minn's first priority is re-signing Radke. He's likely to cost a lot more than MN thinks. The Twins have options at 3B at least, with Cuddyer, etc. I also have heard [through various articles] that Minn's payroll will stay the same low number. If there are only "X" amount of dollars, they'll likely go to Radke. Minn could very well up their offer and top the Sox'. Good for them. the sox shouldn't nreak the bank for Koskie. Life goes on. But that means they drive up the price to retain him. I'm saying $3.5 mill for Koskie is cheap. And the Sox could add another yr [no 4 yrs] at up to $5 mill per and it would still be a reasonable deal [if you compare that to Kris Benson close to signing a 3 yr $23 mill deal :puke ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted November 18, 2004 Share Posted November 18, 2004 If I recall Toronto was planning on making an offer in the 5 mill a season range. I'm a Koskie fan and think he'd be nice, but first the Sox got to take care of other areas. JR isn't going to have money tied up while still trying to find a pitcher. They are going to first target a pitcher, imo, and then let the other pieces fall afterwards cause the Sox most important need is pitching at this point. Close 2nd is a leadoff hitter. Koskie is none of those and the Sox can't risk spending 5 million of their limited budget when you have no idea who is going to be moved, who they will sign, etc. If Koskie is out their two weeks from now, then consider it a possibility...but only if Crede's name starts coming up in trade talks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AddisonStSox Posted November 18, 2004 Share Posted November 18, 2004 I believe your numbers, I wasn't challenging those. But just b/c no formal offers have been submitted yet doesn't mean very much. If I'm Koskie, I know they're coming (heck, look at what Vinny Castilla got). So if the Sox come in with a third year at the same rate, I think he'll just sit on it a while. Hell we all thought Vizquel was in the bag and he got swept away from right under our noses. Everything I have heard says both the Jays and the Royals are going to make aggressive offers. That source of mine in Minny is very reliable. I'm not saying Kosike will sign with either of those teams, but aggressive offers are on the way, I can promise you that. Remember, this is only Nov 18th. I too would sit on a few offers this early in the off-season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AddisonStSox Posted November 18, 2004 Share Posted November 18, 2004 Minn's first priority is re-signing Radke. He's likely to cost a lot more than MN thinks. The Twins have options at 3B at least, with Cuddyer, etc. I also have heard [through various articles] that Minn's payroll will stay the same low number. If there are only "X" amount of dollars, they'll likely go to Radke. Minn could very well up their offer and top the Sox'. Good for them. the sox shouldn't nreak the bank for Koskie. Life goes on. But that means they drive up the price to retain him. I'm saying $3.5 mill for Koskie is cheap. And the Sox could add another yr [no 4 yrs] at up to $5 mill per and it would still be a reasonable deal [if you compare that to Kris Benson close to signing a 3 yr $23 mill deal :puke ] As you said, the Twinks first priority is re-signing Radke. I think that is where the bulk of this off-season money is headed. Unless Kosike has something for the home-team, the Twins will be out bid. The Jays figure is around 5-5.5 Mil (outrageous isn't it?). I haven't heard the KC offer as of yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted November 18, 2004 Author Share Posted November 18, 2004 If I recall Toronto was planning on making an offer in the 5 mill a season range. I'm a Koskie fan and think he'd be nice, but first the Sox got to take care of other areas. JR isn't going to have money tied up while still trying to find a pitcher. They are going to first target a pitcher, imo, and then let the other pieces fall afterwards cause the Sox most important need is pitching at this point. Close 2nd is a leadoff hitter. Koskie is none of those and the Sox can't risk spending 5 million of their limited budget when you have no idea who is going to be moved, who they will sign, etc. If Koskie is out their two weeks from now, then consider it a possibility...but only if Crede's name starts coming up in trade talks. It's harder to get a SP and a leadoff hitter w/ only PK and Garland as trade bait. Add Crede to the mix, and the sox have more flexibility and more options. I agree getting a leadoff hitter [like Kendall] is priority #1. But say the sox trade Jon for Kendall and cash [as has been rumored]. The Sox then only have 3 SP's. Say the sox don't sign a FA [took too much time, no one wants to come etc] and trading PK won't net a strong SP. The sox are left with trying to dust the scrap heap. I just believe the Sox need to put some other guys on the block besides Jon and PK in order to fill their holes in the rotation and lineup. A question mark like Crede [who I still think will turn it around] shouldn't be discounted if a replacement could be had for Vizquel type dollars Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackie hayes Posted November 18, 2004 Share Posted November 18, 2004 Minn's first priority is re-signing Radke. He's likely to cost a lot more than MN thinks. The Twins have options at 3B at least, with Cuddyer, etc. I also have heard [through various articles] that Minn's payroll will stay the same low number. If there are only "X" amount of dollars, they'll likely go to Radke. Minn could very well up their offer and top the Sox'. Good for them. the sox shouldn't nreak the bank for Koskie. Life goes on. But that means they drive up the price to retain him. I'm saying $3.5 mill for Koskie is cheap. And the Sox could add another yr [no 4 yrs] at up to $5 mill per and it would still be a reasonable deal [if you compare that to Kris Benson close to signing a 3 yr $23 mill deal :puke ] I think I agree w/ everything here. I'd just add that they'll have a place in the lineup for Cuddyer one way or another, especially this year, w/ Kubel out. And they'd obviously prefer to resign Radke, but if it's not looking good for them (and I haven't heard anything suggesting it is), they might make a push for Koskie, so that they aren't 0-for-3 in resigning their own players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted November 18, 2004 Author Share Posted November 18, 2004 I think I agree w/ everything here. I'd just add that they'll have a place in the lineup for Cuddyer one way or another, especially this year, w/ Kubel out. And they'd obviously prefer to resign Radke, but if it's not looking good for them (and I haven't heard anything suggesting it is), they might make a push for Koskie, so that they aren't 0-for-3 in resigning their own players. I did read that Radke only wanted a 2 yr deal [why I'm not sure]. He seems the safer bet to offer a "hometown" discount. With Koskie wanting more yrs and prob more cash than Minn is offering [though he said the offer was "encouraging"], it's hard to see how Minn can top at least a 3 yr, $15 mill deal for Koskie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted November 18, 2004 Share Posted November 18, 2004 If I recall Toronto was planning on making an offer in the 5 mill a season range. I'm a Koskie fan and think he'd be nice, but first the Sox got to take care of other areas. JR isn't going to have money tied up while still trying to find a pitcher. They are going to first target a pitcher, imo, and then let the other pieces fall afterwards cause the Sox most important need is pitching at this point. Close 2nd is a leadoff hitter. Koskie is none of those and the Sox can't risk spending 5 million of their limited budget when you have no idea who is going to be moved, who they will sign, etc. If Koskie is out their two weeks from now, then consider it a possibility...but only if Crede's name starts coming up in trade talks. They are supposedly gonna offer him a 3 year deal worth 15. There have been rumors this past past month that he has interest since he was born in canada. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted November 18, 2004 Author Share Posted November 18, 2004 JR isn't going to have money tied up while still trying to find a pitcher. They are going to first target a pitcher, imo, and then let the other pieces fall afterwards cause the Sox most important need is pitching at this point. Close 2nd is a leadoff hitter. Koskie is none of those and the Sox can't risk spending 5 million of their limited budget when you have no idea who is going to be moved, who they will sign, etc. Right now, Willie vs RHP and Rowand vs LHP look like the leadoff combo. Getting Koskie would solve a few question marks, with OBP, a vet for the IF, and doesnt stop the Sox from getting a leadoff guy or SP. In fact it helps as it give the sox more guys to trade for other needs. Would Pitt take Crede + for Kendall and cash instead of Garland? Could be Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted November 18, 2004 Share Posted November 18, 2004 I'd love Koskie...I think he'd absolutely explode here and he could be a fan favorite ala Robin Ventura...in fact, now that I think about it, he reminds me quite a bit of Robin Ventura. I just don't think we'd be able to get him. As Addison has mentioned, the Jays and Royals are very interested in him, and I've also read where Cincinatti was interested in him as well, with the Kearns to 3B experiment working out terribly(they actually compared it to KW moving to 3B...that move essentially ended KW's career). Minny may have offered him 2-years, $7 mill...but he will get better offers then that, especially after seeing what Castilla got from Washington. I could see him signing a 3-year, $15 mill contract atleast, perhaps even more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted November 18, 2004 Share Posted November 18, 2004 Right now, Willie vs RHP and Rowand vs LHP look like the leadoff combo. Getting Koskie would solve a few question marks, with OBP, a vet for the IF, and doesnt stop the Sox from getting a leadoff guy or SP. In fact it helps as it give the sox more guys to trade for other needs. Would Pitt take Crede + for Kendall and cash instead of Garland? Could be Would you be willing to top what the jays are gonna offer him of 3 years 15 million? To me anything more than that is getting quite steep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quickman Posted November 18, 2004 Share Posted November 18, 2004 Months ago I stated in a thread the sox should pick up koskie and play him at first base. You then trade Konerko for pitching. I was probably told that Koskie sucked or was too much or couldn't play first. I will state again koskie plays first. Trade konerko for pitching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnthraxFan93 Posted November 18, 2004 Share Posted November 18, 2004 Months ago I stated in a thread the sox should pick up koskie and play him at first base. You then trade Konerko for pitching. I was probably told that Koskie sucked or was too much or couldn't play first. I will state again koskie plays first. Trade konerko for pitching. Then we should sign Delgado and make him our RF :rolly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quickman Posted November 18, 2004 Share Posted November 18, 2004 Then we should sign Delgado and make him our RF :rolly not the same, I assume I am being laughed at again. Oh well. I tried!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnthraxFan93 Posted November 18, 2004 Share Posted November 18, 2004 not the same, I assume I am being laughed at again. Oh well. I tried!!!!!! Join the club! I leave Koskie at 3rd, he has great glove there no reason to take him off that postion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted November 18, 2004 Share Posted November 18, 2004 Trade konerko for pitching. But who wants him? Bwaaaaa haaaa haaaa haaaa ! No reversing the bet now, I want to pay up those two pitcherssss just so I can have fun the whole time while you drink warm beer that really isn't too warm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quickman Posted November 18, 2004 Share Posted November 18, 2004 Join the club! I leave Koskie at 3rd, he has great glove there no reason to take him off that postion Well i certianly understand your point, but that leaves two open positions if you use konerko in a trade. I would rather play Koskie at first than that piece of s*** Ross Gload. That I suppose is my point. Just looking at it as a way to get a decent line drive hitter who bats from the left side into the equation. Can you imagine us trying to contend with and infield of crede, uribe, harris and Gload. It makes me puke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quickman Posted November 18, 2004 Share Posted November 18, 2004 But who wants him? Bwaaaaa haaaa haaaa haaaa ! No reversing the bet now, I want to pay up those two pitcherssss just so I can have fun the whole time while you drink warm beer that really isn't too warm. Jim, I want that slug out of hear. I am not reversing the bet. unfortunately i think we will be stuck with him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted November 18, 2004 Share Posted November 18, 2004 Well i certianly understand your point, but that leaves two open positions if you use konerko in a trade. I would rather play Koskie at first than that piece of s*** Ross Gload. That I suppose is my point. Just looking at it as a way to get a decent line drive hitter who bats from the left side into the equation. Can you imagine us trying to contend with and infield of crede, uribe, harris and Gload. It makes me puke. Get off the board and clean out your inbox, can you pick up a phone message or not, what's the matter with you, please, I'm serious. PS - agree on that infield situation, pass the Pepto. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quickman Posted November 18, 2004 Share Posted November 18, 2004 Get off the board and clean out your inbox, can you pick up a phone message or not, what's the matter with you, please, I'm serious. PS - agree on that infield situation, pass the Pepto. hmm, I have no email from you. did you call? Is that what that blinking light is on for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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