Guest JimH Posted November 18, 2004 Share Posted November 18, 2004 hmm, I have no email from you. did you call? Is that what that blinking light is on for? Oh Good God. And you work for a computer co. Please. Pick up your voice mail. Do you know how to pick it up or should I send you a PM on this site, I'm tellin' ya, are you nuts or what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quickman Posted November 18, 2004 Share Posted November 18, 2004 Oh Good God. And you work for a computer co. Please. Pick up your voice mail. Do you know how to pick it up or should I send you a PM on this site, I'm tellin' ya, are you nuts or what? blah blah, I have no email from you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted November 18, 2004 Share Posted November 18, 2004 Months ago I stated in a thread the sox should pick up koskie and play him at first base. You then trade Konerko for pitching. I was probably told that Koskie sucked or was too much or couldn't play first. I will state again koskie plays first. Trade konerko for pitching. Why, Koskie is a very good defensive 3rd baseman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted November 19, 2004 Share Posted November 19, 2004 blah blah, I have no email from you Ok mr quickman, apologize to the class now. You have no email from me, right. BTW, Koskie at 1B is not a bad idea but are you kiddin' me, it won't happen. Are you in FantasyLand or what? See my post in the Sun Times thread, that's what we "should" do, but we won't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted November 19, 2004 Author Share Posted November 19, 2004 Would you be willing to top what the jays are gonna offer him of 3 years 15 million? To me anything more than that is getting quite steep. I wouldn't get into a bidding war with other teams. But anything more than $5 mill a yr seems too steep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted November 19, 2004 Author Share Posted November 19, 2004 Can you imagine us trying to contend with and infield of crede, uribe, harris and Gload. It makes me puke. Exactly. That's why trading the guy with the least amont of upside, Crede, and replacing him with a very solid vet, makes me less nauseous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted November 19, 2004 Share Posted November 19, 2004 Exactly. That's why trading the guy with the least amont of upside, Crede, and replacing him with a very solid vet, makes me less nauseous Crede has less upside than Willie Harris? Let me think about that for a second, time's up, no way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted November 19, 2004 Author Share Posted November 19, 2004 Crede has less upside than Willie Harris? Let me think about that for a second, time's up, no way. For what the Sox need [sB's, OBP, avg]? Yes I'm of the opinion Harris is the project of the Sox for 2005. Tim Raines isn't coming aboard for nothing. [and has long ties w/ Harris, as Jr. Raines and Willie are best buds--per the MLB article] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngelasDaddy0427 Posted November 19, 2004 Share Posted November 19, 2004 I have to agree with Beck that Harris has more upside then Crede but I can't imagine anyone giving anything of value for Crede if we already have a replacement for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted November 19, 2004 Share Posted November 19, 2004 The first move the Sox should do is sign FA 3B Corey Koskie. With Koskie signed, and Crede, Garland and PK as trading chips, the sox would have more flexibility via the trade route to fill their holes [which KW seems to prefer anyway]. With possible deals with Pitt, Oak, and Ariz, out there, the more chips the Sox have the better their chances of landing the player they really want, instead of settling for a lesser choice. Signing Koskie would then put the Sox in a better position to shore up their other holes, either by trade of free agency. A MN paper reports that the Twins have offered Koskie a 2 yr, $7 mill contract. And that despite some interest from a few teams, no other offers are on the table. The Sox could come in with a 3 yr offer, for say $10.5. That’s a decent contract for a guy like Koskie. He would give the Sox a LH bat that hits for a .280 avg, a good OBP, and solid defense. And provide a veteran for the IF to go along with Uribe and Harris [and possibly Gload if PK is traded]. It's even less than what they were going to give Vizquel. No doubt Crede has upside. Yet, IMO, Harris and Uribe have even more so. Yet all three are question marks going into 2005. And IMO, having an entire infield of unproven players is too big a gamble, esp. seeing how hard it would be to add players mid-season. We all saw what Uribe is capable of. And Harris was hitting over .300 in June, along with a solid OBP and the best speed on the club. Even in the minors Crede wasn’t a big OBP guy. He hit for avg, and power. But hasn’t hit for avg. in the bigs, a lot of K’s and even less OBP. Koskie’s solid production could be counted on in a day in day out basis. Signign Koskie would just be the start of various scenarios. Here are just two off the top of my head. Option 1 [my preference] The Sox go after Jason Kendall for leadoff. Word was that a deal was close with Pitt., Kendall + cash for Garland. Yet trading Garland, w/o filling the 4th starters spot, is very risky. I’d say that more than the money is the biggest hold up. Pitt. would probably take Crede + other lesser names for Kendall. They have solid pitching as it is and need cheap, young position players. That way Garland would still be on the Sox. Or if they wanted Garland, the sox would still have Crede and PK as valuable trading chips. The Sox would still have money for a #3 like Perez or Ortiz [Or could still pull out a deal for one the A’s pitchers]. Worst case scenario, the Sox keep Garland as the #4, and get a vet who makes $1 mill to come in and eat innings. Option 2- target RJ [with PK and Jon / Joe part of the trade. Leadoff would go to Harris, as the Sox couldn’t afford Kendall. Either Jon or Joe could then be traded to fill the remaining holes, at C, bullpen, or SP. The Sox shouldn't be held hostage by overpaying for mediocre fee agents or hoping the right players on other teams and free agents fall through. But by being a little proactive now, the sox could wait for things to sort themselves out later in the year. No thanks to Koskie. Crede has more potential. Plus he is cheaper. Let's spend our meager money resources on someone we really need like a pitcher and keep those you mentioned. Garland should not be traded becasue we need the hurlers and instead of gaining ground we would just be back at the same level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted November 19, 2004 Share Posted November 19, 2004 No thanks to Koskie. Crede has more potential. Plus he is cheaper. Let's spend our meager money resources on someone we really need like a pitcher and keep those you mentioned. Garland should not be traded becasue we need the hurlers and instead of gaining ground we would just be back at the same level. Are you saying that crede has more potential than koskie? Because i doubt he will ever be as good or better than him. If he got to koskie's leevl i would be more than thrilled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quickman Posted November 19, 2004 Share Posted November 19, 2004 Crede has less upside than Willie Harris? Let me think about that for a second, time's up, no way. Well let me be selfish like our owner. 1) I want konerko off the team 2) Willie harris off the team 3) Gload off the team 4) Uribe can stay and play a utility role or spot start at second. 5) crede can stay for one more year, well maybe a half a year. 6) Get another starter( I like Lieber or clement among others) 7) Get another relief pitcher cause Politte chokes on his jock when the pressure is on. Oh by the way you can get rid of politte too. 8) Diaz Blows - I know everyone thinks he has potential just like barcelo. But he sucks 9) Borchard sucks- its too bad i will have to watch this nut case swing away. 10) garland is a chick- Trade his ass while you are at it. 11) Re-vamp the farm system. Get some pitching coaches that won't let our pitchers arms fall off. 12) Danny Wright- Please take him and his broken arm and his 5 inning ptiching and 500 record and drop his ass. 13) Drop half price drunk night 14) Cater to Season ticket holders better. 15)Hire Steve stone cause Darrin Jackson is horrible. 16) Get Harold Baines off the bench coach seat there I ranted. Its what I feel. I would rather they back the truck up and start over than field the guys they CURRENTLY have. Spend money and get players or develop the farm like minesota. basically I want a new team , because this one is going to suck. Now that is the truth. You can all get excited but this team is not good. they need to make several moves or else we are in for another 4 games over five hundred. If it means koskie at thrid or first, I really don't care. get the damn player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted November 19, 2004 Share Posted November 19, 2004 For what the Sox need [sB's, OBP, avg]? Yes I'm of the opinion Harris is the project of the Sox for 2005. Tim Raines isn't coming aboard for nothing. [and has long ties w/ Harris, as Jr. Raines and Willie are best buds--per the MLB article] At this point, yes, Harris is the project. Just like last year, and most of the year before. When I talk about potential, I don't discuss it in terms of a team's needs, simply on who I feel will be the better overall player. We can agree to disagree but I think Crede has the ability to be a much better hitter than Harris. Harris' speed equals Crede's power I guess. Too bad Willie is going on 27 and is still afraid to steal. Agree on Raines, hopefully he helps. It isn't just stealing bases with Harris, unfortunately it goes deeper. He's not smart on the bases. For a guy with his speed, a grand total of two triples in 2004? That is a problem. But we agree, if the IF situation is Crede-Uribe-Harris-Gload, no playoffs once again IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted November 19, 2004 Share Posted November 19, 2004 somebody go check on quickman... I think he just had an aneurism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quickman Posted November 19, 2004 Share Posted November 19, 2004 somebody go check on quickman... I think he just had an aneurism. sorry, but I think your right! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted November 19, 2004 Share Posted November 19, 2004 3) Gload off the team 8) Diaz Blows - I know everyone thinks he has potential just like barcelo. But he sucks What the hell has gload done that you want him off the team? I will agree that diaz cannot start but in the bullpen he is damn good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted November 19, 2004 Share Posted November 19, 2004 Well let me be selfish like our owner. 1) I want konerko off the team 2) Willie harris off the team 3) Gload off the team 4) Uribe can stay and play a utility role or spot start at second. 5) crede can stay for one more year, well maybe a half a year. 6) Get another starter( I like Lieber or clement among others) 7) Get another relief pitcher cause Politte chokes on his jock when the pressure is on. Oh by the way you can get rid of politte too. 8) Diaz Blows - I know everyone thinks he has potential just like barcelo. But he sucks 9) Borchard sucks- its too bad i will have to watch this nut case swing away. 10) garland is a chick- Trade his ass while you are at it. 11) Re-vamp the farm system. Get some pitching coaches that won't let our pitchers arms fall off. 12) Danny Wright- Please take him and his broken arm and his 5 inning ptiching and 500 record and drop his ass. 13) Drop half price drunk night 14) Cater to Season ticket holders better. 15)Hire Steve stone cause Darrin Jackson is horrible. 16) Get Harold Baines off the bench coach seat there I ranted. Its what I feel. I would rather they back the truck up and start over than field the guys they CURRENTLY have. Spend money and get players or develop the farm like minesota. basically I want a new team , because this one is going to suck. Now that is the truth. You can all get excited but this team is not good. they need to make several moves or else we are in for another 4 games over five hundred. If it means koskie at thrid or first, I really don't care. get the damn player. Anything I'd argue about here would be nitpicking. You win no style points but there's nothing wrong with that. If they're planning on Gload to be a backup OF, they shouldn't. Politte ... Willams says he "needs to learn to trust his stuff". Note to KW and to Cliff Politte, by age 30 as a professional athlete, please figure out what skills you have and don't have and use them. The Chicago White Sox are not the Statue of Liberty, bring me your tired, weak, poor, helpless, can't figure out how to trust your "stuff". Diaz and Borchard ... they should've traded them while they have value. Diaz will not be a starter and they should have known that two years ago. He can be effective as a relief guy maybe. Garland ... why can't the White Sox develop pitchers? Farm system ... why can't the White Sox develop pitchers? Dan Wright ... whatever, doesn't matter. Steve Stone and Darrin Jackson ... who cares, doesn't matter. Harold Baines ... you'd think a more experienced bench coach could've helped. If we are worried about Harold Baines and Steve Stone and Dan Wright and Felix Diaz, that's like worrying about what's for dinner on the Titanic. Please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted November 19, 2004 Share Posted November 19, 2004 sorry, but I think your right! if you need me to dial 911, just mash your forehead on the keyboard... ------ I'm much more optimistic... I think Gload is a cheap solid 1B option. I think Diaz will surpise, be it in the rotation, or pen. I like that guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quickman Posted November 19, 2004 Share Posted November 19, 2004 What the hell has gload done that you want him off the team? I will agree that diaz cannot start but in the bullpen he is damn good. your entitled to your opinion, first, Gload is slow and is a career minor leaguer, on my playoff team in the third largest market in the US I would like a better first baseman. I would not want glaod coming up in the ninth inning of a playoff game and relying on him to drive in the run. There is a reason why he is in his thirties and never made it. Diaz has one pitch and thats not that great. I am certian there are other players we can find that can pitch the same. I don't want him. Don't like him. These are just my thoughts this team is going NOWHERE fast. Spend money or back up the truck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted November 19, 2004 Share Posted November 19, 2004 your entitled to your opinion, first, Gload is slow and is a career minor leaguer, on my playoff team in the third largest market in the US I would like a better first baseman. I would not want glaod coming up in the ninth inning of a playoff game and relying on him to drive in the run. There is a reason why he is in his thirties and never made it. Diaz has one pitch and thats not that great. I am certian there are other players we can find that can pitch the same. I don't want him. Don't like him. These are just my thoughts this team is going NOWHERE fast. Spend money or back up the truck. Gload is one of the faster first baseman in the league and he is 28. He has put up good numbers in all his minor league career along with the majors. I do not see the problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted November 19, 2004 Share Posted November 19, 2004 Gload as a defensive 1B reserve, pinch hitter, and a guy to spell your big bopper 1B a couple of times a week, ok by me. No outfield though. He is just not good out there. As for being the regular 1B as much as I have an aversion to agreeing with quickman and try very hard to keep that to an absolute minimum ... I agree with him that the Chicago White Sox should aim higher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quickman Posted November 19, 2004 Share Posted November 19, 2004 I hatehow we keep making excuses by saying someone is cheap. this is why everyone hates mariotti. PS I don't like him either, but its not because of the whitesox. He is right on many fronts. We need to act like we are in chciago not KC. We should not settle for Cheap, we should not settle for Gload and Harris, and Burke and Diaz. We are so far from the playoff teams its nuts. We have some good pieces but not a good team. We have a couple of good players but not players that play well together. My god, we are in chicago, We should easilty have an 80 million dollar payroll. Easlily, and we should be dominating this divsision which will only get harder. Tigers are spending, Cleveland is playing agressive, with the team we have CURRENTLY and without any major changes, we will battle for third place. I am hemmorraging. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted November 19, 2004 Share Posted November 19, 2004 As for being the regular 1B as much as I have an aversion to agreeing with quickman and try very hard to keep that to an absolute minimum ... I agree with him that the Chicago White Sox should aim higher. I think Qwerty and I, being a little younger, assume with Gload as a starting 1B Konerko would be gone, and bring a significant upgrade at another position. You and quick, being older and more jaded, assume the sox would recive nothing of value in return for konerko. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quickman Posted November 19, 2004 Share Posted November 19, 2004 Gload is one of the faster first baseman in the league and he is 28. He has put up good numbers in all his minor league career along with the majors. I do not see the problem. By the end of the year, we will see. You maybe right. If so terrific, But I think he is a career backup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quickman Posted November 19, 2004 Share Posted November 19, 2004 I think Qwerty and I, being a little younger, assume with Gload as a starting 1B Konerko would be gone, and bring a significant upgrade at another position. You and quick, being older and more jaded, assume the sox would recive nothing of value in return for konerko. No cheat, but please indicate what you think we will get in return. Jaded probably, wise, probably. I think the sox are cheap, and we get what we get. We will be close every year, and if all the pieces fall, nobody gets hurt and a couple of calls go our way we might win a division every 5 years. Not good enough for me' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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