Spiegle Posted November 21, 2004 Share Posted November 21, 2004 Hey, my first post here on Soxtalk... I stop by and read once in a while, but decided to join the fun on this one... With the loss of Maggs in RF, what do you guys think about that Korean guy maybe replacing him? Jong-Soo Shim i think? mlb.com said he batted about .330 with 50ish HR and 125+ RBIs last year... and he had a spring training with the Marlins were Ozzie saw his stuff (and seemed to impress him and the other coaches down there). I know this guys isnt the fix for the "speed" ozzie wants, dont know about how good he is defensivly or at small ball. But if we trade Pualie to fill some of the other holes, this guy could provide us with some lost power (especially since who knows how frank will do next year, he had a rough time coming back from injury last time). Anyways, since he already has experiance with ozzie maybe we will try and pursue him a little... Just wanted to see what everyone here thought. -Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSteve Posted November 21, 2004 Share Posted November 21, 2004 I am not very firmiliar with him. I think it'd be a huge risk. Some pay off (Ichiro, Nomo, H. Matsui), and some don't (Shinjo, Irabu), and some are too soon to tell (Shingo, K. Matsui). I would perfer someone who is more of a known coming into this season, as we have alot of unknowns. The Cuban 1B Morales would be similar I think too. Is Jong-Soo Shim available too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted November 21, 2004 Share Posted November 21, 2004 First off welcome aboard. Second off, I'm not familiar with him. Do you happen to have an article or something talking about him or know where one is? Also, any idea what kind of money he's expecting? Thanks and once again Welcome Aboard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiegle Posted November 21, 2004 Author Share Posted November 21, 2004 yeah, here ya go http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/mlb/news/mlb...s_mlb&fext=.jsp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackie hayes Posted November 21, 2004 Share Posted November 21, 2004 He's not someone you could count on as a "solution", anyway -- he'd probably be more of a project. Unless scouts have been totally mistaken in judging the level of Korean baseball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSteve Posted November 21, 2004 Share Posted November 21, 2004 Batted .256 last season with injuries. Way too big of a risk for us at this point. For not too much, I would take a chance though, no way give him too much money. Maybe incentives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggsmaggs Posted November 21, 2004 Share Posted November 21, 2004 He was endorsed by both Ozzie and Tim Raines, and we have both of them. Seems like a reasonable fit, why not try and get him? He has a cannon of an arm and plays great defense according to the article. I say we should try and get him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted November 21, 2004 Share Posted November 21, 2004 Shim, who is also considered an exceptional defensive outfielder with the best arm in the KBO, won Golden Glove awards in 2002 and 2003. Golden Glove awards are the KBO's annual awards, and they honor the top all-around players at each position, including designated hitter. They are given out by Korea Baseball Organization Properties, and 2004 winners have yet to be announced. Thats one quote out of the article that talks a bit about his defense. It also sounds like he has good patience and he definately has good size. I'm assuming he isn't slow otherwise I don't think he'd be a good all around player. This guy seems like he could be a solid pickup, assuming you could get him for 500K or so cause it doesn't sound like many teams are a calling. He could be a draw and its nice that both Raines and Ozzie have seen him play and both seemed to like him. The way I see this, you throw 500K at a player that if he pans out, the media will be following him madly and the korean's in the Chicago area will be going to the stadium. If it doesn't, they are out 500K and he would at least be productive at the minor league level you'd think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiegle Posted November 21, 2004 Author Share Posted November 21, 2004 Instinct tells me he would come for not too much money, most of those guys seem to mostly just want a chance... I guess i kinda feel like "why not?" we know that we most likley wont go out and sign a high priced stud to replace anyone (except maybe pitching, maybe). And KW does like to go for the "risks" i feel like. So if he does have an upside, and its not all that great a cost, i want to see him "getting his shot" on the south side (or in their minor system) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackie hayes Posted November 21, 2004 Share Posted November 21, 2004 Btw, welcome! Neat idea, I hadn't heard of him before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSteve Posted November 21, 2004 Share Posted November 21, 2004 Instinct tells me he would come for not too much money, most of those guys seem to mostly just want a chance... I guess i kinda feel like "why not?" we know that we most likley wont go out and sign a high priced stud to replace anyone (except maybe pitching, maybe). And KW does like to go for the "risks" i feel like. So if he does have an upside, and its not all that great a cost, i want to see him "getting his shot" on the south side (or in their minor system) I agree with what you're saying with they want a chance. Plus the whole thing of a dream to be here. I would wonder which teams would be interested. Dodgers maybe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greasywheels121 Posted November 21, 2004 Share Posted November 21, 2004 Welcome aboard! I wouldn't mind giving it a try, if he came cheap. However, I don't really see the Sox going out on the limb with this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted November 21, 2004 Share Posted November 21, 2004 2 year - $3 million a season deal, platoon him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackie hayes Posted November 21, 2004 Share Posted November 21, 2004 2 year - $3 million a season deal, platoon him. WAY too much. He'll only get a minor league deal here, I think, for maybe 500k. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSteve Posted November 21, 2004 Share Posted November 21, 2004 From Rotoworld: Korean right fielder Jong-Soo Shim, who took part in spring training with the Marlins in 2003, is interested in jumping to MLB. Shim, 29, hit just .256 with 22 HR and a .385 OBP while being limited by a knee injury last season. The year before, he hit .335 with 53 homers. Those are Korean numbers, though, and the Korean League's level of play is considered to a step down from the Japanese Leagues. Maybe some teams will be interested in Shim, but he's unlikely to receive much guaranteed money or be guaranteed a starting job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wise Master Buehrle Posted November 21, 2004 Share Posted November 21, 2004 If the most he could make in Korea is 1 million, I'd offer a 2 year/1.25 mil per year with many incentives thrown in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted November 21, 2004 Share Posted November 21, 2004 They said he'd make between 500K and 1 million in Korea. I'm assuming he wants the shot at the majors and he's going to have to accept 500K or less and hope he can make a name for himself. This is definately about pride for him and finding out whether he can play with the best out their (on the most part). I think he'd definately be worth a minimum contract though with some incentives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TLAK Posted November 21, 2004 Share Posted November 21, 2004 Before anyone gets too excited by the stats, be aware that Cliff Brumbaugh led the KBO this year hitting .343 with 33 HR and 105 RBI in 132 games played for the very same Hyundi Unicorns as Jung-Soo. I believe this is the Cliff Brumbaugh who hit .217 in 21 games with the Rangers and Rockies in 2001. He was later a minor leaguer for the Sox and was finally released by Charlotte in June 2003. Throw Jong-Soo's numbers out, this one is strictly for the scouts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted November 21, 2004 Share Posted November 21, 2004 Before anyone gets too excited by the stats, be aware that Cliff Brumbaugh led the KBO this year hitting .343 with 33 HR and 105 RBI in 132 games played for the very same Hyundi Unicorns as Jung-Soo. I believe this is the Cliff Brumbaugh who hit .217 in 21 games with the Rangers and Rockies in 2001. He was later a minor leaguer for the Sox and was finally released by Charlotte in June 2003. Throw Jong-Soo's numbers out, this one is strictly for the scouts. GOod catch their. I remember when Brumbaugh joined the Sox org. Plus Man Soo Lee was like the Korean home run king or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TLAK Posted November 21, 2004 Share Posted November 21, 2004 Plus Man Soo Lee was like the Korean home run king or something. Man-Soo was the MAN! This is his sox.com bio: Playing Career: Played 16 seasons with the Samsung Lions of the Korean League ... commonly known as the "Babe Ruth of Korea" ... former catcher hit .296 (1,276-4,310) with 252 home runs and 861 RBI ... voted by The Sports Chosun Fan Voting as the KL fan favorite in the 20th Century ... owned KL record for most career home runs with 252 (since broken) ... his uniform No. 22 was retired in 2003 ... named KL Most Valuable Player in 1983 ... won Triple Crown in 1984 with a .340 average, 23 home runs and 80 RBI ... appeared in 13 KL All-Star games ... earned five consecutive Gold Glove awards from 1983-87 ... was the KL home run and RBI champion three straight seasons (1983-85). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punch and Judy Garland Posted November 21, 2004 Share Posted November 21, 2004 I agree that with the consensus that I'd be down with him for the right price. I also agree that you should ignore the stats and just trust your scouts. I also think we should look into the foreign market for another reliever. I'm sure that we will at least look into it if we feel he warrants interest. Good thread though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSteve Posted November 21, 2004 Share Posted November 21, 2004 Before anyone gets too excited by the stats, be aware that Cliff Brumbaugh led the KBO this year hitting .343 with 33 HR and 105 RBI in 132 games played for the very same Hyundi Unicorns as Jung-Soo. I believe this is the Cliff Brumbaugh who hit .217 in 21 games with the Rangers and Rockies in 2001. He was later a minor leaguer for the Sox and was finally released by Charlotte in June 2003. Throw Jong-Soo's numbers out, this one is strictly for the scouts. Great info TLAK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That funky motion Posted November 22, 2004 Share Posted November 22, 2004 Man-Soo was the MAN! This is his sox.com bio: Wow,I did not know that! All this time Ihave been talking to him,I just thought he was a bullpen catcher. I also like to sit there and watch people kids take a pic with him and tell them Its Carlos Lee after. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted November 22, 2004 Share Posted November 22, 2004 They said he'd make between 500K and 1 million in Korea. I'm assuming he wants the shot at the majors and he's going to have to accept 500K or less and hope he can make a name for himself. This is definately about pride for him and finding out whether he can play with the best out their (on the most part). I think he'd definately be worth a minimum contract though with some incentives. I agree, it would be a cheap investment for the sox, with a possible big upside [good d, patience at the plate, power--does he bat LH or RH?] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted November 22, 2004 Share Posted November 22, 2004 Before anyone gets too excited by the stats, be aware that Cliff Brumbaugh led the KBO this year hitting .343 with 33 HR and 105 RBI in 132 games played for the very same Hyundi Unicorns as Jung-Soo. I believe this is the Cliff Brumbaugh who hit .217 in 21 games with the Rangers and Rockies in 2001. He was later a minor leaguer for the Sox and was finally released by Charlotte in June 2003. Throw Jong-Soo's numbers out, this one is strictly for the scouts. If the Sox were looking strictly for HR power I'd agree. Yet his defense and patience at the plate [over 100 pt difference between avg and OBP!] stand out more than just his HR's. Not that he'd be THE answer. But a guy like him sounds better for RF than a guy like Burnitz and other names that will come at a much higher price Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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