Chisoxfn Posted March 6, 2005 Share Posted March 6, 2005 QUOTE(Gene Honda Civic @ Mar 6, 2005 -> 12:15 PM) Jason give it up... Iowa doesn't deserve to be in the tournament. In fact, any team that loses 4(?) in a row to Northwestern should be excluded next year as well. Making the tourney might be enough to save steve alford his job, and that would be a tragedy. If they do somehow make the tourney, and Alford keeps his job, I'm calling foul on Bob Bowlby in both instances. I agree with you. Like I said, it may be better if Iowa doesn't get in for fans of the Hawkeyes because it means the end of Alford or so I hope. However, I like the talent on the squad and it would be nice for them to play hard and get in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted March 6, 2005 Share Posted March 6, 2005 QUOTE(He_Gawn @ Mar 6, 2005 -> 08:22 PM) Theres no way Iowa gets in with Pierce. They stand no chance of making any noise. If they get two wins, that would include one against Michigan State. At that point, I could see Iowa getting consideration. It's kind of funny, because most years I am looking for mid-major upsets because I am wanting the Missouri Valley to do well and I like seeing the mid-major teams get a shot over a mediocre big conference team. But this year, I am rooting for no upsets because my team is one of these mediocre big conference teams. LOL I think a lack of upsets in mid-major tournaments will help the Big Ten's cause. The ACC's as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted March 6, 2005 Share Posted March 6, 2005 QUOTE(danman31 @ Mar 6, 2005 -> 12:26 PM) It was 3 in a row for the record. As for what Rex said about the Big Ten bubble teams, I agree and don't think any should get in. Also, Missouri is running Kansas off the court right now. Does anybody want the #1 seed? Kentucky loses a week ago, then Ok. St. loses last night and today Kansas looks like they are going to lose their 4th in 6 games. Kentucky is also down 4 to Florida, lol. I wonder if Duke could squeek in for the #1 if they beat UNC. It would be hard to believe they could give 3 #1 seeds to one conference, but it's hard to believe Kansas, Kentucky, and Ok. St. keep f'ing up. I don't think Kansas is a #1 anymore. At the same time, Florida is beating Kentucky although its close. Looks like a really fun day of college basketball. Perfect day for me to be couped up at home doing homework with the tv on watching basketball And Rex good comparison on Minn. Hell, looking at that I wouldn't put them in either, LOL. They have almost all garbage wins which means nothing. Personally If I were selecting I wouldn't put the Hawks or IU in and right now I'd have a tough time giving it to Minn too. Big wins in the tourney could change things though so who knows. Big 10 was weak though, minus Ill and MSU and then to a lesser extent Wisconsin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted March 6, 2005 Share Posted March 6, 2005 As for what Rex said about the Big Ten bubble teams, I agree and don't think any should get in. Ok, Mr. Bracketologist, who would you put in the tourney instead? While the resumes of Indiana, Minnesota and Iowa aren't without flaws, what other teams would you put in? Make a case for somebody else, rather than just a blanket "I agree and don't think any should get in." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted March 6, 2005 Share Posted March 6, 2005 QUOTE(Rex Hudler @ Mar 6, 2005 -> 12:30 PM) Ok, Mr. Bracketologist, who would you put in the tourney instead? While the resumes of Indiana, Minnesota and Iowa aren't without flaws, what other teams would you put in? Make a case for somebody else, rather than just a blanket "I agree and don't think any should get in." Well, thats true too. Any team on the bubble obviously has flaws. One team you got to look at is Georgia Tech who has as much talent in the country but for whatever reason has failed to flourish. Don't they have like pretty much there entire team from last year back? The team that went to the Final 4 IIRC. I know one thing, this is gonna be one fun month Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted March 6, 2005 Share Posted March 6, 2005 QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Mar 6, 2005 -> 08:31 PM) Well, thats true too. Any team on the bubble obviously has flaws. One team you got to look at is Georgia Tech who has as much talent in the country but for whatever reason has failed to flourish. Don't they have like pretty much there entire team from last year back? The team that went to the Final 4 IIRC. I know one thing, this is gonna be one fun month Georgia Tech's wins.... do you put them in based on one win??? Alabama State Illinois - Chicago Arkansas - Little Rock Michigan Georgia Air Force James Madison Charleston Southern Lafayette Miami (twice) Virginia Wake Forest Florida State (twice) Clemson (twice) That's it! Two wins against bubble team Miami help and Wake Forest was big.. But where is one other even decent win??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted March 6, 2005 Share Posted March 6, 2005 I am going to go eat some Dreamland...... I'll be back in a while to break down every single bubble team with you guys if anyone is game. This is my fun time of year. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
He_Gawn Posted March 6, 2005 Share Posted March 6, 2005 I'm game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palehosefan Posted March 6, 2005 Share Posted March 6, 2005 GT will make it based on the committees belief that with Elder back, they will be a tough team to contend with. Will they be right? Probably not, GT has struggled all year long, with or without Elder. They made their run throught he tourney last year without Elder, and have looked like crap alot even with him in the lineup. Basically its Jarret Jack and 4 bystanders on the floor. Schenser is extremely soft, Muhammed can't shoot, Elder is still inconsistent, Bynum is an enigma, and you never know what you are going to get from the bench. I have no doubt GT will make the tourney almost solely on reputation from last year and the image that GT is much better off with Elder back. I do think they have to win atleast 1 game in the tourney to deserve an invitation. Same thing with Maryland and Virginia Tech. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoomSlowik Posted March 6, 2005 Share Posted March 6, 2005 QUOTE(Rex Hudler @ Mar 6, 2005 -> 02:30 PM) Ok, Mr. Bracketologist, who would you put in the tourney instead? While the resumes of Indiana, Minnesota and Iowa aren't without flaws, what other teams would you put in? Make a case for somebody else, rather than just a blanket "I agree and don't think any should get in." It's really hard to say who should go in ahead of them because you don't know what quality teams from smaller conferences are going to need to take an at large bid because they lost in the conference tournament. Quality mid-major schools that deserve to be in like Gonzaga, Nevada, Pacific, and Southern Illinois might end up in consideration for at-large bids instead of the assumed autobid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danman31 Posted March 6, 2005 Share Posted March 6, 2005 QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Mar 6, 2005 -> 02:31 PM) Well, thats true too. Any team on the bubble obviously has flaws. One team you got to look at is Georgia Tech who has as much talent in the country but for whatever reason has failed to flourish. Don't they have like pretty much there entire team from last year back? The team that went to the Final 4 IIRC. G Tech lost one starter, Lewis, and they made the finals. They struggled when Elder got hurt. Maryland and them have to be in. G Tech RPI: 44 decent enough to get them in SOS: 27 expected with ACC schedule along with Gonzaga and Kansas in non-conference Quality wins: Wake Forest, home game Bad losses: NC St. (twice), Va. Tech at home Last 10: 5-5 It's not a great resume unless you factor in the Elder injury, which makes them a lock imo. Maryland RPI: 38 SOS: 8 Memphis (neutral court), @ Wisconsin, George Washington (neutral court) Quality wins: Duke (twice) Bad losses: NC St (twice), Clemson (twice) Last 10: 4-6 including 1-4 in last 5 and 3 straight losses They need to win a game in the ACC tourney to avoid another bad loss and they should be in. They are a dangerous team and the committee loves those types. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoomSlowik Posted March 6, 2005 Share Posted March 6, 2005 QUOTE(Palehosefan @ Mar 6, 2005 -> 02:45 PM) GT will make it based on the committees belief that with Elder back, they will be a tough team to contend with. Will they be right? Probably not, GT has struggled all year long, with or without Elder. They made their run throught he tourney last year without Elder, and have looked like crap alot even with him in the lineup. Basically its Jarret Jack and 4 bystanders on the floor. Schenser is extremely soft, Muhammed can't shoot, Elder is still inconsistent, Bynum is an enigma, and you never know what you are going to get from the bench. I have no doubt GT will make the tourney almost solely on reputation from last year and the image that GT is much better off with Elder back. I do think they have to win atleast 1 game in the tourney to deserve an invitation. Same thing with Maryland and Virginia Tech. You're probably right, and Maryland (not that impressive a team outside of a Duke sweep, altough they are much more likely to get in) is in the same boat. Both of those teams are a nasty 8/9 seed to potentially play. Would any of us have the balls to pick them over Illinois? I'd be tempted, but I couldn't really do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palehosefan Posted March 6, 2005 Share Posted March 6, 2005 Also NC State has their chance to solidify a spot in the tourney today when they get WF coming into Raleigh. I would love for State to win based solely on the fact that it will likely keep Herb Sendek at the helm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 6, 2005 Share Posted March 6, 2005 The best arguement I have seen for IU getting in, is the tourney committees own history. They have shown time and time again that they will take a team from the middle of a premier confrence who plays a tough nonconfrence schedule, over a midmajor with a cupcake schedule. Think back to Georgia and Alabama. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palehosefan Posted March 6, 2005 Share Posted March 6, 2005 (edited) 1 point lead for Florida over UK, come on Gators! UK goes down!!! Edited March 6, 2005 by Palehosefan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted March 6, 2005 Share Posted March 6, 2005 Florida just beat Kentucky by 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greasywheels121 Posted March 6, 2005 Share Posted March 6, 2005 Haha Florida wins. Bracket predictions are getting turned upside down today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted March 6, 2005 Share Posted March 6, 2005 Wowzers, Florida pulls the upset as Asabuke or whatever the hell is name is misses a 3 at the buzzer. s***, its been a great day of college basketball and next up is Duke @ UNC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted March 6, 2005 Share Posted March 6, 2005 LETS GO MIZZ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greasywheels121 Posted March 6, 2005 Share Posted March 6, 2005 I've gotta pull for Duke today. I just want to see these bracketologists go crazy, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted March 6, 2005 Share Posted March 6, 2005 QUOTE(Palehosefan @ Mar 6, 2005 -> 08:45 PM) GT will make it based on the committees belief that with Elder back, they will be a tough team to contend with. Will they be right? Probably not, GT has struggled all year long, with or without Elder. They made their run throught he tourney last year without Elder, and have looked like crap alot even with him in the lineup. Basically its Jarret Jack and 4 bystanders on the floor. Schenser is extremely soft, Muhammed can't shoot, Elder is still inconsistent, Bynum is an enigma, and you never know what you are going to get from the bench. I have no doubt GT will make the tourney almost solely on reputation from last year and the image that GT is much better off with Elder back. I do think they have to win atleast 1 game in the tourney to deserve an invitation. Same thing with Maryland and Virginia Tech. I agree that GT is likely in, but I just wanted to point out that their resume is pretty damned weak, Elder or no Elder. It wasn't like when they were winning with him early, they were doing it against teams that were worth a damn. (see previous list)... Maryland, on the other hand, I am not so sure about. Is a win against Virginia or whatever bottom team they play enough? They are 16-11 and 7-9 right now. Can beating Duke twice be enough? Probably so, but I am not holding my breath. Losing to VA Tech yesterday and 4 out of their last 5 going into the tourney isn't the way to impress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted March 6, 2005 Share Posted March 6, 2005 OK guys, I got another question for you? If UNC beats Duke does Illinois lose it's overall number 1 seed. Will they still get to do they Indy, Chicago, StL trifecta? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted March 6, 2005 Share Posted March 6, 2005 I think the losses of teams right now really won't affect the seeding a whole lot. If everyone was losing and just one team lost, then it might. Since after Illinois and North Carolina, teams seem to be somewhat jumbled up, they will just ignore recent results and look at their complete season and make the call from there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted March 6, 2005 Share Posted March 6, 2005 QUOTE(YASNY @ Mar 6, 2005 -> 09:12 PM) OK guys, I got another question for you? If UNC beats Duke does Illinois lose it's overall number 1 seed. Will they still get to do they Indy, Chicago, StL trifecta? I think so for sure. Even if UNC became the "#1 overall" I don't think that would affect Illinois because of geography. If Kentucky would have been in that position, then they could have thrown a wrinkle into the Illini's travel plans. Maybe even Kansas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted March 6, 2005 Share Posted March 6, 2005 QUOTE(YASNY @ Mar 6, 2005 -> 03:12 PM) OK guys, I got another question for you? If UNC beats Duke does Illinois lose it's overall number 1 seed. Will they still get to do they Indy, Chicago, StL trifecta? yes. 1 loss, who else can say that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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