smalls2598 Posted November 26, 2004 Share Posted November 26, 2004 They didn't have the cap room to get Warner... are you sure on that? i thought they didnt sign Warner because Warner wanted to be the starter, but that wasnt going to happen with Rex. but then he ended up signing with the Giants, knowing that he may lose the starting job to Eli (and did). so they could have got warner. s***, if we even had Chandler, he would make this offense a little more productive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 26, 2004 Share Posted November 26, 2004 are you sure on that? i thought they didnt sign Warner because Warner wanted to be the starter, but that wasnt going to happen with Rex. but then he ended up signing with the Giants, knowing that he may lose the starting job to Eli (and did). so they could have got warner. s***, if we even had Chandler, he would make this offense a little more productive. They barely had any cap room left, and Warner got a 2 year $9 million deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xero Posted November 26, 2004 Share Posted November 26, 2004 are you sure on that? i thought they didnt sign Warner because Warner wanted to be the starter, but that wasnt going to happen with Rex. but then he ended up signing with the Giants, knowing that he may lose the starting job to Eli (and did). so they could have got warner. s***, if we even had Chandler, he would make this offense a little more productive. That is the same thing I heard... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AddisonStSox Posted November 26, 2004 Share Posted November 26, 2004 This is the best post on this whole thread. Neither guy had any time to throw or even think. Who knows if these guys could be decent, if they are picking their asses up off of the turf after every throw. And the drops and bad routes by the recievers... :puke Yes and no. Yes, the offensive line is not the best in the league. These guys have a long way to go, but the makings are there for a productive O-line. This offensive line, with a healthy Marc Columbo, will be able to compete at the professional level with the best of them. As far as the recievers, we don't have a winner in the bunch, that I'll agree with. If your getting covered, you break route and work your way back to the ball...pop warner football will teach you that. Now...the big But. Watch Peyton Manning work just one drive down field. He goes through his wide reciever progression perfectly. One, Two, Three, BALL. He gets back there, he is decisive, and he gets the ball off quickly. Now, comparing any offensive in the leauge to the Colts may be unfair, but much of the blame lies directly on the shoulders of both Quinn and Krenzel. As a high school quarter back, I learned that you are "not" as good as your recievers are, you should still make plays and get the ball off quickly. Those two spend way too much time in the pocket, behind an already questionable o-line, and then make bad decisions with the football. That is not a winning combination. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted November 26, 2004 Share Posted November 26, 2004 They didn't have the cap room to get Warner... No, Warner wanted a spot where he could have a competition for the starters spot and Angelo said it was Grossmans job. Thats the only reason Kurt Warner isn't on the Bears cause he wanted to come here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted November 26, 2004 Share Posted November 26, 2004 No, Warner wanted a spot where he could have a competition for the starters spot and Angelo said it was Grossmans job. Thats the only reason Kurt Warner isn't on the Bears cause he wanted to come here. You think the Bears have 4.5 mil under the cap? Wrong. They would have used it if they did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted November 26, 2004 Share Posted November 26, 2004 All I have to say is this. These sacks aren't necessarily a product of the oline. Now the oline has played terribly the past two games as its pretty banged up and Rex Tucker is showing that he wont' be a Bear next season. But watch when they do get time, they have some of the worse pocket presence I've ever seen and never, ever make a quick read and throw. When was the last time, other then on a screen pass, where you saw Krenzel actually do something like a 3 step drop or anything where the ball quickly left his hands. Krenzel and Quinn suck, but the play calls suck too. No one is going to tell me their is a good reason that Gage isn't playing and that Clark/Lyman aren't getting balls thrown to them. The Bears have a good weapon in Gage who has been lighting it up in practice. The Bears receiving coach has been begging Shea to get more playing time, yet he is barely on the field in the games. As far as Clark/Lyman go, no they aren't Tony Gonzalez but both are semi explosive tight ends with solid hands that can actually make plays, yet the offense is looking away from them. I will reiterate the fact that Terry O'Shea is garbage, the Bears need to cut their losses and hire Mike Martz after he gets canned by the Rams (I'm hoping no one else gives him a starting job and then he'll come coach for Lovie). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted November 26, 2004 Share Posted November 26, 2004 You think the Bears have 4.5 mil under the cap? Wrong. They would have used it if they did. Kurt Warner didn't get 9 million over 2 years. His actual salary was incredibly affordable. I don't know where this 9 mill number is coming from but its obviously coming from unlikely to earn incentives. Taken from a quote, he had a 1.5 million signing bonus which would be split cap wise over the two seasons. His base salary was 1.25 million and his cap hit for this season is 2 million. He has 8 million in unlikely to be earned and won't be earned incentives. If anyone wonders where I got the cap numbers from http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/artic...8-2004Jun3.html The reason Warner is gonna be a FA is cause he can void the deal and because the Giants would cut him anyways since he will make 6 million in the 2nd year of the deal. The Giants never planned on actually going two years with Kurt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Credepopsup Posted November 26, 2004 Share Posted November 26, 2004 All I have to say is this. These sacks aren't necessarily a product of the oline. Now the oline has played terribly the past two games as its pretty banged up Things are about to get worse. It looks as though Tait and R.Brown are out for the season. Any O-Linemen on these boards!?! - Give J.Angelo a call, he's run right out of them. :rolly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted November 26, 2004 Share Posted November 26, 2004 Kurt Warner didn't get 9 million over 2 years. His actual salary was incredibly affordable. I don't know where this 9 mill number is coming from but its obviously coming from unlikely to earn incentives. Taken from a quote, he had a 1.5 million signing bonus which would be split cap wise over the two seasons. His base salary was 1.25 million and his cap hit for this season is 2 million. He has 8 million in unlikely to be earned and won't be earned incentives. If anyone wonders where I got the cap numbers from http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/artic...8-2004Jun3.html The reason Warner is gonna be a FA is cause he can void the deal and because the Giants would cut him anyways since he will make 6 million in the 2nd year of the deal. The Giants never planned on actually going two years with Kurt. Alright, now where can we find the Bears cap status? Also, how many wins would this guy really have won for us? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted November 26, 2004 Share Posted November 26, 2004 Alright, now where can we find the Bears cap status? Also, how many wins would this guy really have won for us? Who knows, but I was a proponented of signing him and still think he wouldn't be that horrible of a signing. What I do know is Krenzel and Quinn are garbage. And with Grossman coming back from an injury and the Bears defense having the pieces it does, I have no problem with the Bears and I think the Bears should have an open camp. In fact if they have a shot at Hasselbach or Brees, spend the money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted November 26, 2004 Share Posted November 26, 2004 Alright, now where can we find the Bears cap status? Also, how many wins would this guy really have won for us? The Bears are in good shape when it comes to the cap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted November 26, 2004 Share Posted November 26, 2004 No doubt in my mind JA gets a solid backup this offseason knowing what can happen. JA has some work to do this offseason... -2 guards -a few WRs -TE -Resign Alex Brown Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUKE_CLEVELAND Posted November 26, 2004 Share Posted November 26, 2004 If DA BEARS don't do anything else this offseason but get rid of David f***ing Terell I'll be happy. I cant stand that cement hand having, s*** talking when he sucks ass , loser. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodAsGould Posted November 26, 2004 Share Posted November 26, 2004 terrell isnt that bad he did have like two 100 yard games with grossman under center didnt he.... as far as our salary cap goes i know we gave tait a contract where most of the money came in the 1st year so the chiefs couldnt match it due to their own cap problems so i know that contract will come down a ton which would give us some cap space.... does anyone know the details on RW's contract though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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