Guest JimH Posted November 27, 2004 Share Posted November 27, 2004 I know Rex likes this kid. I am very surprised he is available. I say take him back, hell, let him fight it out with Escobar as extra outfielder. I, for one, was not worried when we traded him, it was Rupe that bothered me, but Webster had a very nice year, adding some power. Lets get him back. That is certainly an option. He would add speed and a left handed bat, albeit a very raw one. Keeping Webster or any other Rule 5 probably squeezes out someone they want as a bench guy ... Timo, Burke even. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 27, 2004 Share Posted November 27, 2004 Rex, I know there are some extenuating circumstances, but what do you think about Texas leaving Webster available to claim? I remember there was a lot of screaming and crying when he was traded, not by you, but in general. I'm not saying this vindicates the 1st trade but it goes to show some of these prospects are a long ways away, with significant hurdles to reach the big leagues. Of course they got Francisco who blossomed and Rupe is highly thought of but BA had this kid as #3 in the Sox system and what, two years later he's out there for anyone to claim. Like something tied to the Wing deal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted November 27, 2004 Share Posted November 27, 2004 Like something tied to the Wing deal? Mike, no, I was talking about Webster being hurt for part of the year I believe. They can only protect so many guys but they seem to like Wing and Yan better than Webster, which I find interesting. Wing is a question mark health wise, and Yan adds little except for speed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted November 27, 2004 Share Posted November 27, 2004 Mike, no, I was talking about Webster being hurt for part of the year I believe. They can only protect so many guys but they seem to like Wing and Yan better than Webster, which I find interesting. Wing is a question mark health wise, and Yan adds little except for speed. Jim, I'm not sure you can assume that they like Yan better than Webster. Like the Sox gambled with Wing, some teams have to make tough decisions on who to protect. Webster only played about 2/3 of a season last year in High Class A. I think (and assume they do as well) that it is a longshot for any team to keep him on their roster. He was considered somewhat raw in the first place, so keeping him on a MLB bench would be awfully risky in terms of hampering his overall development. Webster was a raw talent making him very much an unknown. That is the reason that I didn't really know what to think when he was traded (other than I thought it was dumb to trade for Carl Everett in the first place, but that is another argument). I just have a hunch that Webster will turn into a nice player. He hit .287 last year with a .363 OBP in just 99 games last year. He added 20 doubles, seven triples and eight home runs, which is not bad for a top of the order type player. He also scored 66 runs and stole 20 bases, while only being caught 4 times. To me, those numbers are pretty solid for a 20 year old, even if it were for a whole season. Considering he will still just be 21 playing in AA next season, I think he has plenty of time to continue to develop. I'm not sure a team will take him in the Rule V draft, but he is an intriguing player, nonetheless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted November 27, 2004 Share Posted November 27, 2004 It's a good point that just because a guy is unprotected, it doesn't mean the team is down on him. If they feel no team will pick him because he's clearly not ready for the major leagues, it's worth protecting other guys who are closer. That said, he hits lefthanded, plays CF, has some good numbers across the board, and was highly thought of to be listed as a #3 prospect. The difference with Wing is, of course, the shoulder problem. Webster is healthy I presume. I don't think the White Sox will take him because I don't see them having room, plus Anderson is knocking at the door and Sweeney will be right behind him. Tough to stash a guy on the roster for the whole year. But I can definitely see a bottom feeder team taking him. To me, the Sox might take a chance on a bullpen arm or a guy who could surprise as a starter, there's one kid Oakland left unprotected who's intriguing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 27, 2004 Share Posted November 27, 2004 I think it is highly likely that the Sox sign some middle infielder this offseason, and that would leave no room for another middle infielder on the 25 man roster. Why do you like Meyer? I just checked out his stats, and the guy hit .239 with a .616 OPS at AA. Why do you think he will be able to be a decent big leaguer next year(worth a roster spot) after struggling so badly at AA last year? Every team usually takes a couple of Rule 5 players, but you don't hear about it much since they rarely warrant a big league spot, and are returned to the original team. My guess is that the Sox might take a chance on a few of the pitchers listed(assuming they are available) with the questions that they have at the back end of their pen. Somebody else likes Meyer too, they have him with an 80% chance of being picked, which basically one other guy on there has. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Socks Posted November 28, 2004 Share Posted November 28, 2004 Re: Webster, the prevailing thought is to move young prospects along slowly, and the Sox did that, possibly to Webster's detriment. After they signed him in 2001 he hung around in Arizona, then in year 2 (2002) he was lights out in Bristol, then in his year 3 he was moved to Low A, then last year the Rangers kept him in AA, and now his four years are up and he is available for $50K. When you have a real live prospect, he should be moved along as quickly as possible, and the Sox did that with Sweeney, having him skip Low A in 2004. Four years go by fast. I hope both Sweeney and Fields spend some time in AAA next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted November 28, 2004 Share Posted November 28, 2004 Re: Webster, the prevailing thought is to move young prospects along slowly, and the Sox did that, possibly to Webster's detriment. After they signed him in 2001 he hung around in Arizona, then in year 2 (2002) he was lights out in Bristol, then in his year 3 he was moved to Low A, then last year the Rangers kept him in AA, and now his four years are up and he is available for $50K. When you have a real live prospect, he should be moved along as quickly as possible, and the Sox did that with Sweeney, having him skip Low A in 2004. Four years go by fast. I hope both Sweeney and Fields spend some time in AAA next year. Your point is well taken, but I believe Webster was in single A ball last year vs. AA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 Colt Griffin put up good numbers after moving to the pen. Sox could use a power reliever and he could just fit the bill. Plus teams can sometimes afford to carry that back end bullpen guy and he has enough experience in AA to make the jump to the majors do-able. Plus his stuff was DYNOMITE. Sisco seems solid to and as much as I like Haggerty I can't see picking up a guy off Tommy John, but on the bright side you can stick him on the DL for a while and I'm guessing your allotted at least some time to let him rehab meaning you could keep his rights for a while at the very least. Hell more I think of it, Haggerty may be a really good way to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palehosefan Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 DYNOMITE!!!! Why is my name Florida? Florida! Griffin would be a solid pickup, as would Griffin. I want to see how hard Griffin truly throws, scouts said he hit 100 more than a few times in high school. But BA said he has been topping out at 96 lately. I wonder if moving to the pen will help him get some mph back, or if his fastball was overrated like so many prospects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
False Alarm Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 i think griffin's velocity has tailed off some in an attempt to improve his control. dude couldn't find the plate for his life when he first started in pro ball. i remember reading a thing about how baird told him he wanted him to let the batters hit the ball, just in the hope that griffin'd be around the strike zone a little more. i ain't looked at his numbers in a while though i have no idea what he looks like these days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 i think griffin's velocity has tailed off some in an attempt to improve his control. dude couldn't find the plate for his life when he first started in pro ball. i remember reading a thing about how baird told him he wanted him to let the batters hit the ball, just in the hope that griffin'd be around the strike zone a little more. i ain't looked at his numbers in a while though i have no idea what he looks like these days. http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/profile.asp?Name=FFBE His walk totals are still sky high. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redandwhite Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 This thread would thrive in the proper place (Pale Hose Talk) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 Looks like Colt Griffin's numbers improved when he went to AA ball. Unless he started in AA and got demoted, in which case ... not good. He is a live arm, sort of in the Grilli mode. Sox obviously took a chance on Grilli because they felt they could harness his talent. I wouldn't be surprised if they did something similar, or go the route Jason alludes to, take a guy like Haggerty and stash him on the DL for as long as possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danman31 Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 (edited) This thread would thrive in the proper place (Pale Hose Talk) They are MINOR LEAGUERS getting drafted, thus it belongs here. When (if) we pick a guy we can put that in Pale Hose possibly. People that don't read this board are less likely to know the prospects anyway. Edited November 30, 2004 by danman31 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 1, 2004 Share Posted December 1, 2004 Griffin pitched out of the pen in AA at the end of the season and excelled, and he's definately going to get picked up, probably before the Sox get a shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted December 1, 2004 Share Posted December 1, 2004 Griffin pitched out of the pen in AA at the end of the season and excelled, and he's definately going to get picked up, probably before the Sox get a shot. If he started figuring it out in AA at the end of last season, with that arm he'll definitely be picked up. Not big strikeout numbers but his other numbers were pretty much the best he's done. Teams look at him and envision "power closer". I agree, somebody will pick him up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farmteam Posted December 12, 2004 Share Posted December 12, 2004 I'd be ecstatic with Griffin, excited with Sisco. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted December 12, 2004 Share Posted December 12, 2004 I'd be ecstatic with Griffin, excited with Sisco. Sisco is rumored going to Kansas City with the 3rd pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farmteam Posted December 12, 2004 Share Posted December 12, 2004 What pick do the Sox have, same as the real draft, 15th? I'd like Sisco, but Griffin would be my first choice. There were a few others that interested me, but I can't remember them now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farmteam Posted December 12, 2004 Share Posted December 12, 2004 I just checked the article, and the other guys who interest me are Blasko, Connoly, Hernandez, Haggerty, Meyer, and Knox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted December 12, 2004 Share Posted December 12, 2004 The Sox 4o-man is now full, they can't select anyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farmteam Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 Oh well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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