santo=dorf Posted November 29, 2004 Share Posted November 29, 2004 I've always like this guy, and I found this to be interesting. Quote The Astros haven't ruled out non-tendering Wade Miller, who made $3.4 million last season. We doubt it will come to that, but there is a chance that Miller will be traded. If the Astros don't ask for much in return, there would certainly be large-market teams willing to take the chance that he'll overcome his shoulder problems. Miller arguably is as talented as Carl Pavano or Matt Clement, so a team that can absorb the loss should love to have him on a one-year, $4 million contract. I find it interesting that Wade Miller made as much as Jon Garland will make for 2005 last year. If you look at his career stats before 2004, you'll notice that his numbers are much better than Garland's too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted November 29, 2004 Share Posted November 29, 2004 I think there are a number of pitchers who fit into this category of "expensive injury risks but great upside" like Miller, Tony Armas Jr [via trade or could be non-tendered], and free agents like Matt Morris. A team with deep pockets could get a steal. But the sox payroll isn't geared for getting reclamation projects for big money. I could see them trying a guy more around $1 mill but that is all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Beast Posted November 29, 2004 Share Posted November 29, 2004 beck72 said: I think there are a number of pitchers who fit into this category of "expensive injury risks but great upside" like Miller, Tony Armas Jr [via trade or could be non-tendered], and free agents like Matt Morris. A team with deep pockets could get a steal. But the sox payroll isn't geared for getting reclamation projects for big money. I could see them trying a guy more around $1 mill but that is all Morris is a guy I have targeted for a long time...wish he could come here... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted November 29, 2004 Share Posted November 29, 2004 Beastly said: Morris is a guy I have targeted for a long time...wish he could come here... It might make some sense. Instead of signing a guy like Perez to 3 yrs at big money [$6+ mill] a guy like Morris could take a one yr deal for probably less. But only a deep pocket team would take the chance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted November 29, 2004 Share Posted November 29, 2004 Miller is usually a stud in the 2nd half of the season, which would definitely suit our needs. Considering he has pitched in a hitters park at Minute Maid, his numbers would increase that signifcantly if he pitched at the Cell. If the Astros non tendered him, I'd be all over him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnthraxFan93 Posted November 29, 2004 Share Posted November 29, 2004 Send them Carla back and maybe a prosepct. Then I would do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 29, 2004 Share Posted November 29, 2004 Wow, I wonder what they are looking for? He is definately a much cheaper option than just about anything else decent out there.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AddisonStSox Posted November 29, 2004 Share Posted November 29, 2004 I had no clue Miller might be in the off-season SP market. I hope Kenny takes a look at him. He could be a great guy to complete this rotation. I know better options are out there, but if Kenny is going to go the free agency route, Miller should be in the top 3...unless of course he plans on shipping Paulie for pitching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilJester99 Posted November 29, 2004 Share Posted November 29, 2004 Didn't Miller miss most of last season with a shoulder injury?? If so they need to seriously look at it. If he is healed fine then why not. The guy can pitch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilJester99 Posted November 29, 2004 Share Posted November 29, 2004 I found this on Rototimes.com Sep. 24 Dr. Lewis Yocum recommended that Wade Miller (P) Hou rest his ailing right shoulder for 6-8 weeks, according to the Houston Chronicle. "I don't think any of us know where we're headed, and we've just got to treat the symptoms," GM Gerry Hunsicker said of Miller's frayed rotator cuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnthraxFan93 Posted November 29, 2004 Share Posted November 29, 2004 Makes me scared then about Miller, But I have always been a fan of his.. Do we risk it? What if he comes here and wins 15-18 games, or becomes like every other pitcher traded to the sox.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubKilla Posted November 29, 2004 Share Posted November 29, 2004 beck72 said: I think there are a number of pitchers who fit into this category of "expensive injury risks but great upside" like Miller, Tony Armas Jr [via trade or could be non-tendered], and free agents like Matt Morris. A team with deep pockets could get a steal. But the sox payroll isn't geared for getting reclamation projects for big money. I could see them trying a guy more around $1 mill but that is all The key word in the above post is, of course, "expensive." The White Sox will only take a chance on cheap, ".....nobody else really wants you pal....." talent like Esteban Loaiza in '03. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted November 29, 2004 Share Posted November 29, 2004 CubKilla said: The key word in the above post is, of course, "expensive." The White Sox will only take a chance on cheap, ".....nobody else really wants you pal....." talent like Esteban Loaiza in '03. What a shock that this would be your take on the subject. What about Garcia, Contreras, Buehrle, even Garland? Those guys all make peanuts, do they? No need to answer. We get it man. The White Sox are cheap and stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubKilla Posted November 29, 2004 Share Posted November 29, 2004 JimH said: What about Garcia, Contreras, Buehrle, even Garland? Those guys all make peanuts, do they? The only one out of those 4 getting paid real $$$$$ is Garcia and, if he wasn't going to be a relation to OG, he'd have tested the FA waters and gotten more than what the Sox offered him from a handful of teams. Hats off to FG though for not being entirely too greedy and putting family before $$$$$. NYY paid alot of Contreras' contract off for Uncle Jerry. Perfect pick-up where JR is concerned. MB is underpaid for the numbers he puts up consistently and is exactly what JR is looking for in a pitcher and who, after '06, will be GONE when he gets a better offer from a better organization. And Garland sucks..... but is a cheap arm that, if the Sox go out and acquire a number 2 or 3 this offseason, will be a steal as a number 4 or 5 guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted November 29, 2004 Share Posted November 29, 2004 CubKilla said: The only one out of those 4 getting paid real $$$$$ is Garcia and, if he wasn't going to be a relation to OG, he'd have tested the FA waters and gotten more than what the Sox offered him from a handful of teams. Hats off to FG though for not being entirely too greedy and putting family before $$$$$. NYY paid alot of Contreras' contract off for Uncle Jerry. Perfect pick-up where JR is concerned. MB is underpaid for the numbers he puts up consistently and is exactly what JR is looking for in a pitcher and who, after '06, will be GONE when he gets a better offer from a better organization. And Garland sucks..... but is a cheap arm that, if the Sox go out and acquire a number 2 or 3 this offseason, will be a steal as a number 4 or 5 guy. Sox are paying Contreras $6M this year and $7M next year. NYY takes on $2M in 2005 and $1M in 2006. $6M and $7M for a starter is chump change? And only a cheapskate would pay that paltry sum? So, the Sox locked up Buehrle for a few years, but somehow that's Reinsdorf's fault because Buehrle signed the contract? Your blind hatred is getting in the way of logic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted November 29, 2004 Share Posted November 29, 2004 CubKilla said: The key word in the above post is, of course, "expensive." The White Sox will only take a chance on cheap, ".....nobody else really wants you pal....." talent like Esteban Loaiza in '03. "Expensive" wasn't the key word. It was "risks". Only the large revenue clubs can take a chance on paying a guy a few million dollars when they have had serious injuries [like NYY did with Lieber] and may not play for 1/2 or all of a yr. Shingo was signed for a guaranteed $1 mill deal, when no one else wanted to take that chance. Other teams were only offering non-guaranteed deals. That was a risk that paid off. I'd like the sox to take chances with a guy like Miller or Morris. But then again, it's not my money. But neither is it yours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted November 29, 2004 Share Posted November 29, 2004 CubKilla said: The only one out of those 4 getting paid real $$$$$ is Garcia and, if he wasn't going to be a relation to OG, he'd have tested the FA waters and gotten more than what the Sox offered him from a handful of teams. Hats off to FG though for not being entirely too greedy and putting family before $$$$$. NYY paid alot of Contreras' contract off for Uncle Jerry. Perfect pick-up where JR is concerned. MB is underpaid for the numbers he puts up consistently and is exactly what JR is looking for in a pitcher and who, after '06, will be GONE when he gets a better offer from a better organization. And Garland sucks..... but is a cheap arm that, if the Sox go out and acquire a number 2 or 3 this offseason, will be a steal as a number 4 or 5 guy. No one put a gun to Mark's head to make him sign the contract. If he felt he was worth more and could have gotten more he should have done so. It's silly to blame the Sox if you feel they cheaped out on Mark (which, IMO, they didn't). Jose is making a nice chunk of change from the Sox. I don't know about you.. but I wouldn't mind $6 million As for Garcia.. why he signed here is moot. Ozzie was a ball player first. I highly doubt he said to Freddy.. "you should/will take what offered and sign with the Sox or you will not be marrying my neice". If anything I would think he would encourage him to go get the most he could. For all we know.. what the Sox offered him was the most. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilJester99 Posted November 29, 2004 Share Posted November 29, 2004 Steff said: No one put a gun to Mark's head to make him sign the contract. If he felt he was worth more and could have gotten more he should have done so. It's silly to blame the Sox if you feel they cheaped out on Mark (which, IMO, they didn't). Jose is making a nice chunk of change from the Sox. I don't know about you.. but I wouldn't mind $6 million As for Garcia.. why he signed here is moot. Ozzie was a ball player first. I highly doubt he said to Freddy.. "you should/will take what offered and sign with the Sox or you will not be marrying my neice". If anything I would think he would encourage him to go get the most he could. For all we know.. what the Sox offered him was the most. $6 million... hell with that, I wouldn't take a pay cut after all "I have a family to feed"... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted November 29, 2004 Share Posted November 29, 2004 Steff said: No one put a gun to Mark's head to make him sign the contract. If he felt he was worth more and could have gotten more he should have done so. It's silly to blame the Sox if you feel they cheaped out on Mark (which, IMO, they didn't). Jose is making a nice chunk of change from the Sox. I don't know about you.. but I wouldn't mind $6 million As for Garcia.. why he signed here is moot. Ozzie was a ball player first. I highly doubt he said to Freddy.. "you should/will take what offered and sign with the Sox or you will not be marrying my neice". If anything I would think he would encourage him to go get the most he could. For all we know.. what the Sox offered him was the most. But Steff ... None of this fits the accepted fact that Reinsdorf is cheap and stupid. What are you hearing these days, by the way? Anything? Or is it real quiet? How about the Blanco thing, does that make sense to you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted November 29, 2004 Share Posted November 29, 2004 JimH said: But Steff ... None of this fits the accepted fact that Reinsdorf is cheap and stupid. What are you hearing these days, by the way? Anything? Or is it real quiet? How about the Blanco thing, does that make sense to you? Real quiet. There's a Christmas party on the 18th that I should get some info from. As far as Blanco.. or any other catcher.. it's a lost case to even think about it. Ben is the starting catcher for the '05 Sox. I told you all that back in August.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted November 29, 2004 Share Posted November 29, 2004 Steff said: Real quiet. There's a Christmas party on the 18th that I should get some info from. As far as Blanco.. or any other catcher.. it's a lost case to even think about it. Ben is the starting catcher for the '05 Sox. I told you all that back in August.. Yeah, I figured it'd be very quiet after the Vizquel thing blew up. KW hasn't been on the radio or anything ... unusual for him during hot stove time. I agree BD will be the #1. I was thinking of Blanco as 1A. I know the Sox like him, and it's been said they're sniffing around Dan Wilson too. Maybe it's just posturing to get BD to sign? I like Davis, he showed some promise with the bat but he just wore down big time. I think that's why he went in the tank in September. The guy lost like 30+ pounds last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3E8 Posted November 29, 2004 Share Posted November 29, 2004 A healthy Wade Miller would be an outstanding pickup for the Sox, assuming we don't give up too much in return. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnthraxFan93 Posted November 29, 2004 Share Posted November 29, 2004 3E8 said: A healthy Wade Miller would be an outstanding pickup for the Sox, assuming we don't give up too much in return. A healthy almost anyone would be a huge upgrade of Grilli.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubKilla Posted November 29, 2004 Share Posted November 29, 2004 JimH said: But Steff ... None of this fits the accepted fact that Reinsdorf is cheap and stupid. :rolly :rolly :rolly :rolly :rolly You can keep defending the White Sox. I'll keep ripping on a team that has failed to address the 5th starter for 2 seasons, has no catcher, no middle-long relief in the BP, has a 2B at the top of the order who can't steal bases, and gave M. Jackson a job in '04. And don't even get me started on Crede BTW..... wasting $6 million on Contreras is STUPID. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted November 29, 2004 Share Posted November 29, 2004 CubKilla said: :rolly :rolly :rolly :rolly :rolly You can keep defending the White Sox. I'll keep ripping on a team that has failed to address the 5th starter for 2 seasons, has no catcher, no middle-long relief in the BP, has a 2B at the top of the order who can't steal bases, and gave M. Jackson a job in '04. And don't even get me started on Crede BTW..... wasting $6 million on Contreras is STUPID. I'm not defending the White Sox, not in the least. Anyone who doesn't jump on your Whiner Bandwagon gets labeled as a defender of the White Sox, or whatever that lame acronym you and the other whiners came up with ... FOUJ or something like that. You keep whining, I'll keep pointing it out. 'Mkay? Why don't you send in your resume? You seem to have all the answers. :rolly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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