qwerty Posted December 1, 2004 Share Posted December 1, 2004 Bentitez not for three years. Giants are throwin money down the toilet to give him and Vizquel three years. That is the market. Like rotoworld said, if wickman can get three million a year and percival can get six million per year there is no reason for benitez not to get seven million per year. In my opinion no reliever deserves that much money ever. But that is a totally different story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted December 1, 2004 Share Posted December 1, 2004 I believe Billy Beane has the right attitude. Closers are basically disposable. I don't think a smart team should ever pay big bucks for a FA closer. I'm more along the line of developing your own, then trade them away or let them walk before the start looking for big bucks. Find a kid in your system with a live fastball and one other decent pitch and groom him as a closer. Then start the process with someone else at a lower level. Don't draft someone for that purpose either. Too many good closers are failed starters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 1, 2004 Share Posted December 1, 2004 Here's a question, how could the Sox get AJ. Cause I don't give a rats ass he was once a hated twin. He's good behind the plate and a solid offensive catcher. He'd be a good fit on this club and would fill a big need. Would Munoz or Diaz and a lower level guy work? I still think SF has one big signing left and thats the one where they bring in protection for Bonds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 1, 2004 Share Posted December 1, 2004 Nelson made less than $2 mil last year, and with his numbers declining, I'm sure he'd be willing to take a paycut. It might be a risk, but at the very least it increases the bullpen depth by one: Takatsu Marte Nelson Politte Cotts Adkins/Diaz or Takatsu Marte Politte Cotts Diaz Adkins I also think he brings a certain amount of intensity and leadership to a team that needs more of both. Another option I would like to see, which I know many of you will jeer me for, is trading for Kyle Farnsworth. The Flubs don't want him anymore, and I truly believe that if he gets away from Wrigley, he will be a stud. He's got the stuff, all he needs is someone to harness his energy. I'd do both, Nelson and Farnsworth would both be good pickups. Once again the names I use would be one of the fringer starters/relievers (ie Diaz, Munoz, Adkins) and a guy like Spidale. The question is how willing are the Cubs to move him cause Farnsworth would look great. Nelson or another vet would be a good pickup as well. I think one of the least talked about areas, yet probably the most important (in my mind) is for the Sox to improve their bullpen. Add Wright, add two relievers and all of a sudden (barring injury) you have one of the best staffs in baseball and stilll a good offense. Maybe not the best in the majors, but I'd say top 7 (without making any changes to last years 2nd half lineup other then adding Frank back). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AddisonStSox Posted December 1, 2004 Share Posted December 1, 2004 Nelson- I would absolutely love for the Sox to make this signing. I am a huge Nelson fan and I think he would be lights out as either a long reliever, or a set-up man (he has the capability to do both, and has done so in the past). HOWEVER, do any of you know his agent or what type or relationship he has with the Sox. Some people just don't match well with other teams, hopefully that is not the case with Nelson. Farnsworth- Although I like his stuff, I harrassed Cub fans for so long about this guy, I'd be eating some serious crow if he came to the Southside. That said, I think Kenny would have to give up a lot to get him. Hendry just won't let a 97MPH fastball walk out the door with nothing in return. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 1, 2004 Share Posted December 1, 2004 Nelson- I would absolutely love for the Sox to make this signing. I am a huge Nelson fan and I think he would be lights out as either a long reliever, or a set-up man (he has the capability to do both, and has done so in the past). HOWEVER, do any of you know his agent or what type or relationship he has with the Sox. Some people just don't match well with other teams, hopefully that is not the case with Nelson. Farnsworth- Although I like his stuff, I harrassed Cub fans for so long about this guy, I'd be eating some serious crow if he came to the Southside. That said, I think Kenny would have to give up a lot to get him. Hendry just won't let a 97MPH fastball walk out the door with nothing in return. Ya, I was thinking you could almost see the basis for a Cotts and a mid-level for Farnsworth and maybe Wellmeyer or one of the Cubs other AAA relievers deal or something along those lines. Although I personally wouldn't give up Cotts. However, still, when you look at Farnsie's numbers I Think a Diaz and midlevel or Munoz and midlevel swap could make sense for both sides. Especially since it seems the Cubs want Farnie out and the change of scenery should help both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted December 1, 2004 Share Posted December 1, 2004 Jeff Nelson Fanclub Ah another member... I'd take Osuna too but preferably Nelson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 1, 2004 Share Posted December 1, 2004 Was Nelson injured in 2004? Cause he only pitched in 29 games, which is a sharp drop from his norm. Still he limited both lefties and righties to .224 or lower. His big flaw was a high walk total which could of been do to his injuries. I don't know what was wrong with him but I know he missed August. In April he pitched good and had an alright May but after that his numbers took off and then he stopped sometime in July until pitching again in September. Which is a clear indication of an injury. If he's a 100%, you could probably get him at a mill and it would be more then worth it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AddisonStSox Posted December 1, 2004 Share Posted December 1, 2004 Was Nelson injured in 2004? Cause he only pitched in 29 games, which is a sharp drop from his norm. Yeah...IIRC, shoulder. EDIT: Actually, looks like it was forearm. One of the two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 1, 2004 Share Posted December 1, 2004 Also count me in on the Osuna bandwagon. He did good in San Diego and was solid with NY the year before. Should be a pretty good value too, only question is his health. I'm in shock that he's only 31. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butter Parque Posted December 1, 2004 Author Share Posted December 1, 2004 I'm off the Jeff Nelson bandwagon, off the Antonio Osuna bandwagon, and on the Kyle Farnsworth and Octavio Dotel Bandwagons. The only reason I think Dotel might be available is because I think they could sign Trevor Hoffman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted December 2, 2004 Share Posted December 2, 2004 While Benetiz is good, I do not think anyone has ever thought the Sox would even be in the running for him. We need bullpen help, but we don't need it that badly. Where was that "Ozzie Factor"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted December 2, 2004 Share Posted December 2, 2004 Where was that "Ozzie Factor"? What we need is "Mark Cuban" or "Donald Trump" factor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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