qwerty Posted December 1, 2004 Share Posted December 1, 2004 .270 something in the minors and .330 in the majors. split it up and you get .290 something. I think he would be in between the minors and the majors in performance...that's all. He has hit way over his head thus far in the majors. If he could hit .290 over a full season in the majors he would have not been in the minors for ten years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnthraxFan93 Posted December 1, 2004 Share Posted December 1, 2004 This would be the awesome deal ..and would take it in a heart beat. I'm not sold on Wright, I think with the extra money we would be saving from trading Lee, we could go after a better SP.. and another RP or 2 Overall this would be a sweet deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBlackSox8 Posted December 1, 2004 Share Posted December 1, 2004 He has hit way over his head thus far in the majors. If he could hit .290 over a full season in the majors he would have not been in the minors for ten years. I agree he has hit way over his head....but i think between his minor league performances and his major league performance...he is more of a .280/.290 hitter. Thats the average between the two. It's an in between figure. If he were to hit in the .270's that's still good....but by his performances i would expect a little better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted December 1, 2004 Share Posted December 1, 2004 I agree he has hit way over his head....but i think between his minor league performances and his major league performance...he is more of a .280/.290 hitter. Thats the average between the two. It's an in between figure. If he were to hit in the .270's that's still good....but by his performances i would expect a little better. I understand what you are saying but i do not agree. Guess we just have to agree to disagree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBlackSox8 Posted December 1, 2004 Share Posted December 1, 2004 I understand what you are saying but i do not agree. Guess we just have to agree to disagree. and see what he does during the 2005 season...personally i hope he performs up to my expectations and not yours.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kogs35 Posted December 1, 2004 Share Posted December 1, 2004 damm this thread is long :sleep :sleep :sleep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobDylan Posted December 1, 2004 Share Posted December 1, 2004 damm this thread is long :sleep :sleep :sleep That's what they say about my...oh, nevermind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBlackSox8 Posted December 1, 2004 Share Posted December 1, 2004 That's what they say about my...oh, nevermind. about your nose right???? you liar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3E8 Posted December 1, 2004 Share Posted December 1, 2004 That's what they say about my...oh, nevermind. It doesn't matter if it's long when it's got thread-like girth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesox91403 Posted December 1, 2004 Share Posted December 1, 2004 Guys, I don't know if this has been covered because I have never seen a thread blow up like this before. But rashid4434 consistently posts crap rumors on cbssportsline rumor mill. So, if this is where the rumor started it's BS. If it came from JimH friend in Florida, there could be something to this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KipWellsFan Posted December 1, 2004 Share Posted December 1, 2004 Guys, I don't know if this has been covered because I have never seen a thread blow up like this before. But rashid4434 consistently posts crap rumors on cbssportsline rumor mill. So, if this is where the rumor started it's BS. If it came from JimH friend in Florida, there could be something to this. This has been debated already in this thread, and soxtalk seems to have come to the conclusion that Jim H's friend's business friend came up with this(be it true or not), long before this rashid guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punch and Judy Garland Posted December 1, 2004 Share Posted December 1, 2004 I have to go back about ten pages to cover the person who said that the Sox have to deal Lee instead of Pop Up Paulie because then we'd have 4 OF. There is a lot of noise around the team this year about Lee being a potentially steallar first-baseman. Second, there are a lot of guys who start out string in the bigs and then don't improve on their regression any time soon. Joe Crede and Eric Kinske come to mind in that department. I'm surprised so many people were against the Sox landing the Unit via BA but have not problem grabbing Scott friggin' Podsednik. I liked having Scott on my fantasy team but I don't want to deal away good players for him. Lastly, someone cited Rowand, Thomas, Konerko, and Crede as our power sources if this trade goes down. Shoot me if Rowand and Crede are going to bookend our 3-6 spots. I don't understand why people think that if we didn't win with power the last few years then we should dump our pwer hitters to win in 05. It's poor logic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted December 1, 2004 Share Posted December 1, 2004 THANK YOU. We'll have to see what happens. I will not post anything I hear any more, I will let others do that. I should not have come on this board and asked if anyone had heard anything, based on what I was emailed. Period. My mistake. Again, we'll have to wait and see what happens. If anything. Jim. This seems to happen way too often on here. You post something you heard and ask if anyone else has heard it. The next thing you know, someone is calling you out and questioning your integrity. It's Bulls*** that this happens. How else are we going to have anything to discuss if every time someone posts a rumor, that it has to be 100% accurate and immediately verifiable? To anyone that question Jim's integrity ..... :fyou What Jim posted is exactly what I hope to see here on the board. Rarely are things exactly as they first appear in a rumor, but most of the time, there is some fire causing that smoke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan562004 Posted December 1, 2004 Share Posted December 1, 2004 Jim. THgis seems to happen way too often on here. You post something you heard and ask if anyone else has heard it. The next thing you know, someone is calling you out and questioning your integrity. It's Bulls*** that this happens. How else are we going to have anything to discuss if every time someone posts a rumor, that it has to be 100% accurate and immediately verifiable? To anyone that question Jim's integrity ..... :fyou What Jim posted is exactly what I hope to see here on the board. Rarely are things exactly as they first appear in a rumor, but most of the time, there is some fire causing that smoke. Yup, JimH is a good poster, and I think it was a good post. He didn't post something like, "hey did anyone else hear anything about the Sox trading Jon Adkins for Barry Bonds straight up?" He posted a legitimate question and trade rumor. There is some real good conversation about it.... Keep it up!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted December 1, 2004 Share Posted December 1, 2004 He did hit .314 in a full season. Chris Singleton hit .300 for us one season too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted December 1, 2004 Share Posted December 1, 2004 I don't care for the trade part of this rumor. I could see it if it went like so: Sox get: Castillo Podsednik Marlins get Lee Brewers get Marlins prospect (decent) Sox prospect (lesser) I'm with Qwerty that Podsednik is not all that good. He isn't worth Anderson straight up. I also feel Castillo is not worth Lee straight up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted December 1, 2004 Share Posted December 1, 2004 i dont think that is true i havent seen anything or none of my buddies have called me Is it warm in Florida? How's married life? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted December 1, 2004 Share Posted December 1, 2004 I'm with Qwerty that Podsednik is not all that good. He isn't worth Anderson straight up. I also feel Castillo is not worth Lee straight up. No way is Podsednik worth Anderson straight up. But Castillo, IMO. is at least equal to Lee and prob. worth more than Lee, esp for what he could provide the Sox [a switch hitting leadoff hitter, high % sb threat, solid defense]. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted December 1, 2004 Share Posted December 1, 2004 No way is Podsednik worth Anderson straight up. But Castillo, IMO. is at least equal to Lee and prob. worth more than Lee, esp for what he could provide the Sox [a switch hitting leadoff hitter, high % sb threat, solid defense]. Say if the sox traded lee straight uo for castillo you will have alot of people b****ing about it including myself. Lee is gonna go bonkers in the next year or two. Right now he has above average defense even if people choose to believe otherwise, good obp (.366) which i see him staying around for the next several years. Also has 35 homeruns power with good gap power. I want castillo as much as anybody but lee is not worth him. I am saying this and i am not one of those people that is in love with every player on the sox and feels that no deal is good enough for them to be traded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted December 1, 2004 Share Posted December 1, 2004 If there was any chance FLA would trade either Castillo or Pierre, Ozzie would have KW throw his son in on the deal. It's very possible Castillo or Pierre could be on the trading block. And if they are, the Sox would have to be the favorites to land either player, as KW would prob. top any offer. It wouldn't just be to appease Ozzie. KW's fate is tied into Ozzie's. KW needs to win or he could be out of a job. And he needs to trust Ozzie and get him all the resources he needs and wants. The Sox need a guy like Castillo to get on base and hit .300 at the top of the order, vs LHP and RHP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted December 1, 2004 Share Posted December 1, 2004 If there was any chance FLA would trade either Castillo or Pierre, Ozzie would have KW throw his son in on the deal. It's very possible Castillo or Pierre could be on the trading block. And if they are, the Sox would have to be the favorites to land either player, as KW would prob. top any offer. It wouldn't just be to appease Ozzie. KW's fate is tied into Ozzie's. KW needs to win or he could be out of a job. And he needs to trust Ozzie and get him all the resources he needs and wants. The Sox need a guy like Castillo to get on base and hit .300 at the top of the order, vs LHP and RHP. They don't need Castillo at the cost of Carlos Lee. No way. No how. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted December 1, 2004 Share Posted December 1, 2004 Say if the sox traded lee straight uo for castillo you will have alot of people b****ing about it including myself. Lee is gonna go bonkers in the next year or two. Right now he has above average defense even if people choose to believe otherwise, good obp (.366) which i see him staying around for the next several years. Also has 35 homeruns power with good gap power. I want castillo as much as anybody but lee is not worth him. I am saying this and i am not one of those people that is in love with every player on the sox and feels that no deal is good enough for them to be traded. People can b**** all they want, but if a straight deal went through, but IMO, Castillo would make the Sox a better team than if the sox just kept Lee. The sox have had great numbers out of individuals but haven't been able to put it together. A guy like Castillo batting and getting on base before the 3, 4 and 5 hitters will allow our RBI guys to swing away If the Sox don't get themselves a leadoff hitter, Lee can hit .300 all he wants. No one will be on base for him to drive in, or Frank or PK, or Dye, or Everett etc. Good leadoff hitters don't come cheap for a reason. Castillo can do everything the sox currently are very short on--switch hit, steal bases, hit .300, get on base at a .370 clip, lead off or hit #2, play solid d. The Sox have power and could more easily replace Lee and his talent than what Castillo would bring to the table with his abilities Put another way--who would you rather have in LF, Rowand or Lee? I see an OF of Rowand in LF, Anderson in CF, and Sweeney in RF in 2, 3 yrs. I see Lee off playing for the Nationals or somewhere when his contract is up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted December 1, 2004 Share Posted December 1, 2004 They don't need Castillo at the cost of Carlos Lee. No way. No how. I'd say there would be few Sox players [majors or minors] that would be considered "untouchables" if they were to trade for Pierre or Castillo. A few come to mind--Buehrle, Rowand, Sweeney, Garcia, Shingo, maybe Anderson. Lee doesn't make my list. Why? A lot has been said about the Sox' "3 yr board". I see Rowand on it. Sweeney. Prob. Brian Anderson. Maybe Chris Young. Lee will be seeking a long term deal for a lot of cash in 2, 3 yrs. Would the sox pay him when they have at least 2 guys who could take his place? Mostly why I see Lee as being a "touchable" is prob. subjective. I don't see Lee as a serious baseball player. Sure he's talented. And he can swing for the fences with the best of them. But is he a guy to build a team around? If Maggs wasn't, then Carlos surely isn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted December 1, 2004 Share Posted December 1, 2004 It's simply this, in my opinion, Lee has more value than Castillo. He's not untouchable. He may not be on the "3 year board". But as of today, he has more market (re: trade) value than Castillo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USAF_11F4H Posted December 1, 2004 Share Posted December 1, 2004 Since I'm just now getting to this thread 17 pages into it and have no time or desire to go through the whole thing post by post, I'm assuming this was all just an unfounded rumor? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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