qwerty Posted December 3, 2004 Share Posted December 3, 2004 I don't always believe in g/f to be honest so that ratio doesn't bother me that much. What you mean you do not believe in it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilJester99 Posted December 3, 2004 Share Posted December 3, 2004 Too many stat geeks.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wise Master Buehrle Posted December 3, 2004 Share Posted December 3, 2004 Well obviously, but your holding it against him that he followed what the Twins were doing. Thats like Frank Thomas not giving a hoot what the White Sox were doing after being in Chicago for an eternity. Of course I'm going to. He's a fan of the ENEMY. It's not normal to watch your ex-team on TV while with a new one. I can see them watching the highlights sometimes to see how they did. How would the White Sox players here feel if AJ was watching the Twins on TV, ROOTING for them. If that is one of the things he cares about, I can see him really protesting being here and demanding trades in the middle of seasons. I honestly do not feel he would give 100% here. I don't think he would call good games. I'd rather stick with Big Ben and Jamie Burke calling my games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redandwhite Posted December 3, 2004 Share Posted December 3, 2004 Of course I'm going to. He's a fan of the ENEMY. It's not normal to watch your ex-team on TV while with a new one. I can see them watching the highlights sometimes to see how they did. How would the White Sox players here feel if AJ was watching the Twins on TV, ROOTING for them. If that is one of the things he cares about, I can see him really protesting being here and demanding trades in the middle of seasons. I honestly do not feel he would give 100% here. I don't think he would call good games. I'd rather stick with Big Ben and Jamie Burke calling my games. To each his own, but I don't consider him the "enemy" anymore. He is one of the best catchers in the league, still relatively cheap considering what Jason Varitek is slated to get in free agency, and really gives this White Sox team a "grinder" in the words of Kenny, something he is very fond of. The guy is hated by all of you for a reason. He's clearly an excellent, outspoken, team player, something any team anywhere would want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wise Master Buehrle Posted December 3, 2004 Share Posted December 3, 2004 He's clearly an excellent, outspoken, team player, something any team anywhere would want. Yes, and that's the reason why Giants players were complaining to the media about him. He isn't the enemy. I didn't say that. He is a FAN of the enemy, and by the reports from the players this year, still a big fan of the enemy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted December 3, 2004 Share Posted December 3, 2004 Personally I never have cared for the he played with hte Cubs or he played with the twins argument. He isn't going to be on the Sox and play and root for another team. Sure he may follow his buddies, but I could give a hoot about that. I long have said I wish the Sox were more like the Twins in the comrodory regard. I remember how much fun the 2000 Sox had, since then it seems few and far between. Although last year was better. I know one thing Pyrz is a pretty solid catcher and the Giants would probably move him cheap. The Sox could probably get him without giving up Konerko or Lee, I just think financially those guys would have to go. For the most part I agree with you but I think this is a different case. AJ has been in the middle of the sox-twins fights everytime something started to boil, I know for a fact there would be many players in the clubhouse who hate his guts and would be pissed off if he was traded here. Ok.....so I don't know for a fact but I'm pretty sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redandwhite Posted December 3, 2004 Share Posted December 3, 2004 Yes, and that's the reason why Giants players were complaining to the media about him. He isn't the enemy. I didn't say that. He is a FAN of the enemy, and by the reports from the players this year, still a big fan of the enemy. Like I said, to each his own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnthraxFan93 Posted December 3, 2004 Share Posted December 3, 2004 He would be so very bad here for too much money. Pass. NO They are not talking about Polanco and Wright.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted December 3, 2004 Author Share Posted December 3, 2004 Of course I'm going to. He's a fan of the ENEMY. It's not normal to watch your ex-team on TV while with a new one. I can see them watching the highlights sometimes to see how they did. How would the White Sox players here feel if AJ was watching the Twins on TV, ROOTING for them. If that is one of the things he cares about, I can see him really protesting being here and demanding trades in the middle of seasons. I honestly do not feel he would give 100% here. I don't think he would call good games. I'd rather stick with Big Ben and Jamie Burke calling my games. The more important thing was that AJ would spent his time watching the Twins than prepare for the game with the starting pitcher. He can take his $5 million (expected salary) and 27 GIDP somewhere else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wise Master Buehrle Posted December 3, 2004 Share Posted December 3, 2004 Like I said, to each his own. To each his own, yes, but I can't even begin to see how you can believe he is a "team player" when he denies requests to go over video of the hitters with a pitcher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Beast Posted December 3, 2004 Share Posted December 3, 2004 This was a very dull show, why did they randomly have this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted December 3, 2004 Share Posted December 3, 2004 NO They are not talking about Polanco and Wright.. Stfu. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punch and Judy Garland Posted December 3, 2004 Share Posted December 3, 2004 I mena that I think that statistics don't always accurately portray eveything there is to know. I think that flyball pitchers can still do okay in a homerun park if they can avoid getting hit too hard. I think that stats are a useful tool but might not be as successful describing enigmas like Vazquez. I look at Matt Morris, a guy who got pounded for 35 homers and pitched in a park where homers aren't impossible to come by. You would think that a guy giving up the gopher ball would pitch better on the road if his home park isn't a big pitchers park but that isn't the case with Morris. I know I'm going off on a tangent but I just wanted to use Morris as example of a guy with other types of issues. I think Vazquez could fall into that category. I try not to call numbers people stat geeks in exchange for not being condescended to about being "deceived by my eyes". It works out as a nice trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted December 3, 2004 Share Posted December 3, 2004 I mena that I think that statistics don't always accurately portray eveything there is to know. I think that flyball pitchers can still do okay in a homerun park if they can avoid getting hit too hard. I think that stats are a useful tool but might not be as successful describing enigmas like Vazquez. I look at Matt Morris, a guy who got pounded for 35 homers and pitched in a park where homers aren't impossible to come by. You would think that a guy giving up the gopher ball would pitch better on the road if his home park isn't a big pitchers park but that isn't the case with Morris. I know I'm going off on a tangent but I just wanted to use Morris as example of a guy with other types of issues. I think Vazquez could fall into that category. I try not to call numbers people stat geeks in exchange for not being condescended to about being "deceived by my eyes". It works out as a nice trade. If vazquez did not already give up alot of homeruns i would think less about it. But he was the 8th most extreme fly ball pitcher in baseball last year and he has always had a knack for giving up homers unlike morris. Before this year morris never has given up more than 20. G/f is one of the statistics the sox management should be looking at first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted December 3, 2004 Share Posted December 3, 2004 Well.. speaking as the Giants GM... I traded AJ to the Sox and am starting Torrealba this up coming season. /inside sim league story Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnthraxFan93 Posted December 3, 2004 Share Posted December 3, 2004 Well.. speaking as the Giants GM... I traded AJ to the Sox and am starting Torrealba this up coming season. /inside sim league story Who you get in return? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AddisonStSox Posted December 3, 2004 Share Posted December 3, 2004 My thoughts... Edgar Renteria would be a great pickup guys...if JR is willing to spend on this one, please let him do so. Nomar would also be a fantastic signing...probably a better fit for the Sox. Cabrera just isn't good fit. Sorry Anthrax. Wright would be a great, scratch that, a GOOD pick up. He'd fill in our rotation nicely. Vazquez would be a horrible move. Yes, the guy looks dynamite at times, but he'd get lit up like a Christmas tree at Comisky. Oh yeah, and he's got a nasty contract. All in all, I'm really happy with those thoughts. A Renteria, Wright, "top notch" reliever would be a fantastic off-season. I expect the Sox to sign the free agent shortstop and starter, and ship Paulie for that top-notch reliever and maybe a little more in return. It's all about to happen fellas, hang in there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjm676 Posted December 3, 2004 Share Posted December 3, 2004 Don't know if this has been mentioned before, if it has I apologize. How about sending PK to Arizona for Vazquez if the Johnson deal goes down. They'll be losing Sexson anyway and in need of 1Bman. Just a thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shakes Posted December 3, 2004 Share Posted December 3, 2004 I really don't want the Sox to ignore the outfield situation either. I don't think Carl Everett is an everyday player anymore and if I see Joe Borchard in right again I'll punch myself in the cookies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnthraxFan93 Posted December 3, 2004 Share Posted December 3, 2004 AddisonStSox Renteria.. I agree 100% Nomar-- Not a good fit, to risky for the money Cabrera, would be a good fit, and watch as this time next year he has the season I know he will have Wright, again would not be a good fit, I would rahter re-sign Loiaza then Wright, at least we know what we are getting..Wright had decent numbers playing the in NL in a pitchers park. Vazquez, I still think he can be a great #3 for us, for the reason that I still feel that the pressure of NY got to him, yeah show me he started off great then fadded, but when is the most pressure on.. udring the nd have of the season. And for the first time in 4 years his ERA was above 4. ALso this is only the 3rd time in 7 that he has had over 100 ER with at least 30 starts. I think we can agree that Cooper might be able to fix the flaws in his delivery, and he could be the pitcher we are all looking for. Renteria, Vazquez, Nelson, and SPod.. I be very happy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted December 3, 2004 Share Posted December 3, 2004 Who you get in return? Aaron Rowand, Brian Anderson and Brandon McCarthy. (I also traded Joey Gathright who I got from the D'Rays) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted December 3, 2004 Share Posted December 3, 2004 Nomar: Best fit. Short term and Cheaper than ..... Renteria: Great glove, decent ballplayer. Probably too expensive for the production he'd supply. Cabrera: Ranks below Polanco as a fit for the Sox. Wright: A better gamble than Lowe, Loaiza ( :puke ) or Vazquez (but it depends on how much $$$ the Yankees pick up) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanOfCorn Posted December 3, 2004 Share Posted December 3, 2004 I really don't want the Sox to ignore the outfield situation either. I don't think Carl Everett is an everyday player anymore and if I see Joe Borchard in right again I'll punch myself in the cookies. Please, for god's sake, don't punch yourself in the cookies. Joe B isn't worth it!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shakes Posted December 3, 2004 Share Posted December 3, 2004 I agree Dybber, he's not worth it. I don't even think the Sox would keep a Mexican league reject. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanOfCorn Posted December 3, 2004 Share Posted December 3, 2004 By the way, welcome to Soxtalk... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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