witesoxfan Posted March 31, 2003 Share Posted March 31, 2003 I watched Baseball Tonight before the game tonight....and I had mixed emotions. I was pissed, because no one is giving the Sox the credit they deserve...yet, I was light-hearted, knowing how stupid they all really are. I don't really think I have to sum up Peter Gammons's side of the story to tell you why he is a dumbass....he talked about why he had the Braves winning the division...and he said that it was because of their bullpen and how Bobby Cox can always put together a good bullpen. And then(and I was LMAO after he said this), he said that John Smoltz has been one of the best closers over the past decade. And when he talked about how the Cubs were going to win the division(another time I was LMAO), he was just spewing s*** everywhere. And his reason for the Twins winning the division was "Watch out for Kyle Lohse." He basically said that the Twins will win the division because of Kyle Lohse...and he then said the Twins had the best bullpen in the league. This time last year....we were all talking about how the Twins bullpen was their weak point. Gee, how times change. I pretty much stopped watching it after that Bobby V was the only one I ever really agreed with....I don't think there was anything dumb that he said(off the top of my head, that is). I don't agree with his decision on who will win the AL Central.....but he atleast backed up his opinion with a solid statement....saying it's because the Twins defense is so good. He said the Twins defense will win the division....and if the Twins do win the division....that will most likely be why. Harold Reynolds didn't say anything wrong until they started talking about defenses....his comment on how the White Sox just can't play defense is stupid as hell. He said because the White Sox can't catch the ball, they won't win the division. Last time I checked....they had a s***ty defense in 2000....and they still won 95 games. This year, their defense overall is much improved over 2000.....why is it suddenly the weak point? Also...I think Reynolds said that the Twins would win the division because they have a good balance. I guess he hasn't waken up and smelled the White Sox....they have the most balance team in the majors....having a great offense, a great pitching staff, and a solid defense. I could see how the Twins being a balanced team could win them a division....but it won't win them a division this year....because the fact is, the White Sox are more balanced than the Twins. I don't know how much Baseball Tonight I'm going to be watching this year....probably a lot, because the Sox will come bursting out of the gates and won't slow down until June or so....maybe July, when the All-Star game comes to Chicago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hotsoxchick1 Posted March 31, 2003 Share Posted March 31, 2003 well we do have a crappy defense... kinda hard to argue that point..... and the twins win because they play "back to basic baseball".. hit em over and get em in... we havent figured that out yet cause everyone we have hits for the fences or nothing..............ill give ya that gammons is a moron and i wouldnt believe a word out of his mouth cause most of the time its speculation and blabber, but....its kinda hard to dispute the fact that the braves always win their division (or at least it seems like they do).....i like bobby v and hr too but cant dis on the guys casue they didnt say the things you wanted to hear about your team..... they are just tossing out their opinions.. like we do here.. only ours are for the most part biased cause its all about our team.......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mac9001 Posted March 31, 2003 Share Posted March 31, 2003 The Sox's do get the the credit they deserve, they haven't won s*** the last two years and until they do they shouldn't get much respect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted March 31, 2003 Share Posted March 31, 2003 Compared to the Twins our defense is a joke. Now it is improving, Olivo is better then anyone we've had behind the plate since Pudge. I know Karkovice was solid, but Olivo is special, real special. At third we are better then most teams and at first we are average just like we are at second. Compared to last year, Crede is better then Valentin at 3rd, Jimenez a bit better then Ray (Maybe) at second. In center Rowand is probably similar to Lofton (Lofton wasn't like he was in his prime). Lee isn't as bad as advertise and Magglio is an average defensive right field. The defense is definately better then it has been in the past. The big holes are shortstop, where Jose isn't good defensively and you can say Carlos Lee in left. Otherwise its a pretty solid group. Oh ya, the pitching staff in 2000 was ugly when it came to fielding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mac9001 Posted March 31, 2003 Share Posted March 31, 2003 I don't think Jose is that bad, sure he makes errors, but he has great range and a plus arm. I'd take his glove over Clayton's anyday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clujer420 Posted March 31, 2003 Share Posted March 31, 2003 The Sox's do get the the credit they deserve, they haven't won s*** the last two years and until they do they shouldn't get much respect. Absolutely. Respect isn't given -- it's earned, and since 2000, the Sox haven't earned s***. Also, why did whitesoxfan crucify the entire ESPN staff because of Gammons and Harold Reynolds? Linda Cohn, Stewart Scott, Dan Patrick, and Kenny Mayne are exceptional on SportsCenter, and Dan is equally as good in his radio show on ESPN Radio. Also, their Sunday Night Baseball crew (Morgan and Miller) are pretty darned good too IMO. Anyway, don't blame the whole staff for a couple of moronic comments made by 2 people. And let's be real -- who's going to give the Sox credit? Even in 2000 when we were rolling over everybody, everyone in the national sports media was just counting down the seconds until we imploded. We never did, and I don't think 2003 will be any different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clujer420 Posted March 31, 2003 Share Posted March 31, 2003 I'd take his glove over Clayton's anyday. That's a silly comment. If you said "I'd take him over Clayton anyday", I would agree completely since Jose brings much more offensively and much more in the team leader department. But to say Clayton's defense is inferior to Jose's is very inaccurate IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mac9001 Posted March 31, 2003 Share Posted March 31, 2003 Clayton is one of the most overrated defensive players around. His arm is average and his range is a joke. It's just another case of comparing players with errors, which i think isn't very accurate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted March 31, 2003 Share Posted March 31, 2003 Clayton was a vacuum though. His range may not of been amazing and the glove may not of been, but is still one of the best defensive shortstops in the majors. His arm was accurate and his glove was the model of conistency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubKilla Posted March 31, 2003 Share Posted March 31, 2003 Clayton was a vacuum though. His range may not of been amazing and the glove may not of been, but is still one of the best defensive shortstops in the majors. His arm was accurate and his glove was the model of conistency. Jose would be a vacuum too if his range was 3 steps in either direction Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted March 31, 2003 Author Share Posted March 31, 2003 The Sox's do get the the credit they deserve, they haven't won s*** the last two years and until they do they shouldn't get much respect. Absolutely. Respect isn't given -- it's earned, and since 2000, the Sox haven't earned s***. Also, why did whitesoxfan crucify the entire ESPN staff because of Gammons and Harold Reynolds? Linda Cohn, Stewart Scott, Dan Patrick, and Kenny Mayne are exceptional on SportsCenter, and Dan is equally as good in his radio show on ESPN Radio. Also, their Sunday Night Baseball crew (Morgan and Miller) are pretty darned good too IMO. Anyway, don't blame the whole staff for a couple of moronic comments made by 2 people. And let's be real -- who's going to give the Sox credit? Even in 2000 when we were rolling over everybody, everyone in the national sports media was just counting down the seconds until we imploded. We never did, and I don't think 2003 will be any different. I meant the whole Baseball Tonight staff....and I'm talking more of the analyzers, and not the guys that talk about the games like Stuart Scott and who not like that. They don't say anything objectional. I still don't know why Gammons is employed by ESPN. Also....CLee apparently forgot how to count in Arizona....sheesh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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