WHarris1 Posted December 5, 2004 Share Posted December 5, 2004 Jay Glazer just reported he tested positive and is appleaing his 4 game suspension. Wow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MinnesotaSoxFan Posted December 5, 2004 Share Posted December 5, 2004 This isnt the MLB, the NFL has a strict policy and if you do that, they will know about it. Too bad some people lack the common knowledge to know that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted December 5, 2004 Share Posted December 5, 2004 Jay Glazer just reported he tested positive and is appleaing his 4 game suspension. Wow. Well if that wasn't obvious... Just kind of odd that it comes out at a time like this, where it seems a lot of others have confessed (or, at least now it's coming out that they confessed). Unfortunately, I think this is only the beginning of things. I think there are going to be some names that come out, that you'd never suspect in taking the 'roids... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted December 5, 2004 Author Share Posted December 5, 2004 Yeah, I always remember him being insanely ripped, just never thought of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 5, 2004 Share Posted December 5, 2004 This isnt the MLB, the NFL has a strict policy and if you do that, they will know about it. Too bad some people lack the common knowledge to know that. And he loses 1/4 of the season for his first offense. You know what your first offense in MLB gets you? Treatment :rolly MLB could learn somethings on salary and drugs from the NFL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted December 5, 2004 Share Posted December 5, 2004 And he loses 1/4 of the season for his first offense. You know what your first offense in MLB gets you? Treatment :rolly MLB could learn somethings on salary and drugs from the NFL. Compare some interior lineman to Barry Bonds and Sosa. It's easy to get tough on someone who no one outside their family recognizes. It's another to get tough on your marquee player or the guy blowing kisses to his adoring fans. Unfortunately, and perhaps counter-intuitively, steroid use makes a great economic impact for the game of baseball then football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palehosefan Posted December 5, 2004 Share Posted December 5, 2004 Here are the numbers he posted 2 years ago I believe. 6'2 260 pounds as a receiver, running a 4.3 40. He had private workouts with his "trainer" behind closed doors that nobody could see. Pretty obvious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 5, 2004 Share Posted December 5, 2004 Compare some interior lineman to Barry Bonds and Sosa. It's easy to get tough on someone who no one outside their family recognizes. It's another to get tough on your marquee player or the guy blowing kisses to his adoring fans. Unfortunately, and perhaps counter-intuitively, steroid use makes a great economic impact for the game of baseball then football. Who cares who it is? I don't care if it is Barry Bonds or David Boston. I admire the NFL for actually having the balls to do what is best for their game and to stand up to cheaters who could be killing themselves. MLB is a joke in this aspect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redandwhite Posted December 5, 2004 Share Posted December 5, 2004 Who cares who it is? I don't care if it is Barry Bonds or David Boston. I admire the NFL for actually having the balls to do what is best for their game and to stand up to cheaters who could be killing themselves. MLB is a joke in this aspect. killing themselves? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerhead johnson Posted December 5, 2004 Share Posted December 5, 2004 killing themselves? Yep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redandwhite Posted December 5, 2004 Share Posted December 5, 2004 Yep. Explain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 5, 2004 Share Posted December 5, 2004 killing themselves? Read up on the affects that steroids have on your body. They destroy your heart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redandwhite Posted December 5, 2004 Share Posted December 5, 2004 Read up on the affects that steroids have on your body. They destroy your heart. I have read up on steroids hundreds of time, and if taken under proper guidance as they were, they will do no harm to your body. Clearly more people than I thought are buying into the Sportscenter crap that steroids equal a guaranteed death. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 5, 2004 Share Posted December 5, 2004 I have read up on steroids hundreds of time, and if taken under proper guidance as they were, they will do no harm to your body. Clearly more people than I thought are buying into the Sportscenter crap that steroids equal a guaranteed death. guarenteed death=could be killing themselves? Uh, ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punch and Judy Garland Posted December 5, 2004 Share Posted December 5, 2004 I think that Bud Selig was right that getting tougher testing a couple of years ago wasn't worth another crippling strike. I think that we will get the type of testing that we want pretty soon. It's sort of oddly assumed that NFL players don't juice. On the heels of Boston and Ricky Williams saying how easy it is to beat tests, you wonder how bad it is in the NFL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redandwhite Posted December 5, 2004 Share Posted December 5, 2004 guarenteed death=could be killing themselves? Uh, ok. Show me one study that proves steroids cause any harm on your body and I'll listen. I recieved a great rebuttal on an article this past week from the Hartford Courant regarding steroids, from a bodybuilding guru and a buddy of mine who prides himself as I do on knowing anything and everything about supplements, dieting, training, etc. This is in response to Jeff Jacobs' article on Friday, December 3, entitled "Financially, This Cheater Will Still Prosper." Mr. Jacobs, Abraham Lincoln said, "better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt." Please don't misunderstand me, I never thought you were a fool, in fact, i previously enjoyed your articles in the sports section. That is until you didn't "remain silent" when you chose to "speak out" about something you clearly know little, and almost surely nothing about. What I'm talking about, Mr. Jacobs, is your pathetic attempt to belittle steroids. Let me ask you a question, Mr. Jacobs. What do you know about steroids? Now I'm not asking about what you think you know because of what you saw on the "story of the week" on some TV show or what you read in an article in some newspaper. What FACTS do you actually know about steroids? My guess is that you know absolutley nothing. If I am mistaking, and you do, in fact, know something, or anything for that matter, about steriods, clearly it is not very much judging by your article. Instead, why not put your time, and good writing skills, to a better use? Perhaps write about the dangers of some "legal" drugs, cigarettes and alcohol. Combined, cigarettes and alcohol, both of these accepted, legal drugs, have killed 100% more people than anabolic steriods ever have, and for that matter, ever will, because steroids have never killed anyone. Show me a study, Mr. Jacobs, or ANYTHING for that matter, that proves "the ravages of steriods could lead to an early death". That is complete nonsense. There are too many quotes of yours that I could endlessly debate, but I'll just choose my "favorites".... "He is a junkie. He is a liar. He is a cheater." To put it bluntly, Mr. Jacobs, let me explain to you why you are wrong. In today's society, where I thought people were getting better than to stereotype others on a mere whim, it seems I was wrong. People who use steroids are junkies? Are you even trying to be serious? We're not talking about street heroin here. We are talking about drugs that are prescribed to patients by doctors in the United States, and are actually legal over-the-counter drugs in many other countries around the world. Sure, steriod ABUSE is harmful. But name an abuse that ISN'T (gambling? alcohol? anything?). To label Mr. Giambi as a "junkie" because he used steroids is a pretty pathetic attempt at trying to give your story the media's coveted "shock value" to make your story seem interesting. So, world reknowned superstar, 7-Time Mr. Olympia, current Governor of the State of California, and one of the biggest, if not the biggest movies stars in history, Arnold Schwarzenegger, he can be labeled by you a "junkie" in a single word? Secondly, sure Mr. Giambi may have lied. Why do you think he did so, Mr. Jacobs? Well, I'll tell you why,for the same reason Arnold always denied it, because people know nothing about steriods. When people know nothing about something, they start assuming. It reminds me of the Salem Witch trials or McCarthyism. It's people like you, the media, and especially the sports media, look for EVERY single little "nothing" and try to make it into "something". Is just reporting who won the game not enough anymore? Must you hold ahtletes under microscopes and crucify them because they choose to live their lives the same as you and I, minus the attention? Should they be held more accountable for their actions because they are famous and your kids look up them? Absolutely not. It's not Mr. Giambi's fault your kids' hearts will be broken when this story hits the news. It's yours because of your slanderous nonsense. Would it have been better had he told the truth to begin with? Perhaps. Mr. Giambi lied because he knew what kind of contempt society views steroids, and it's that same mindset that you share, Mr. Jacobs, which is that of making judgments about something you know nothing about. Did Arnold lie? Sort of. Why? Because he knew that if he would've admitted to using steroids every teenage who ever picked up a dumbell would go out and try them. Is that his fault? No. It's the fault of parents who allow their children to mindlessly worship those people and things that aren't important in life, like athletes, instead of their own family and friends and values. Thirdly, Mr. Giambi is not a cheater. Like you even stated in your article, "in 2003, when Giambi admitted he was using, there was no punishment-only a survey-in place." So, Mr. Jacobs, it's clearly NOT cheating when there are NO steroids laws in MLB. By your logic, Allen Iverson should also be held in contempt of cheating. He carries the ball, an illegal action, almost every single time down the court, yet he does so because the NBA doesn't enforce it. Should he be castrated? How about Shaquille O'Neal? He uses his mammoth size and has his way with defenders in the paint, which is "against" the rules. Should he be punished? In Mr. Giambi's case, there WERE NOT even any MLB rules in place that made steriods illegal. Did he have an unfair advantage? Perhaps. Maybe the ball traveled a few feet further after he crushed the ball. But "if Giambi hadn't hit those two homeruns in Game 7 of the 2003 ALCS, it would only have been an 85-year Red Sox curse.", COME ON!!! So if Giambi hadn't used steroids the Red Sox would've won the series, went on to the World Series, and won that??? Mr. Jacobs, surely you're smarter than that. AGAIN, steroids won't make you hit homeruns, nevermind even help you connect with a 90+MPH fastball. What they WILL do is MAYBE give the ball a few more feet if you DO happen to connect. So please, Mr. Jacobs, do us a favor from now on and use Honest Abe's advice. Please "remain silent" on issues you know nothing about, that way you won't seem so foolish. As a matter of fact, prove your not a fool and take steroids. Then you could be a Major League ballplayer and be hitting homeruns because it's that easy, right? And if you think I wrote this article because I'm a bitter, resentful Yankee fan, and I'm protecting one of my players, you're dead wrong. In fact, I'm actually a DIE HARD Red Sox fan. Sincerely, AJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 5, 2004 Share Posted December 5, 2004 How many articles do you want? There is stuff everywhere about them. http://165.112.78.61/Steroidalert/Steroidalert.html http://www.health.org/govpubs/phd561/st5.aspx http://www.health.org/govpubs/phd726/ http://www.beyondhealth.com/steroids-dangers.htm http://www.exrx.net/AnabolicSteroids/Physiological.html http://www.aap.org/family/steroids.htm http://kidshealth.org/teen/drug_alcohol/drugs/steroids.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redandwhite Posted December 5, 2004 Share Posted December 5, 2004 How many articles do you want? There is stuff everywhere about them. http://165.112.78.61/Steroidalert/Steroidalert.html http://www.health.org/govpubs/phd561/st5.aspx http://www.health.org/govpubs/phd726/ http://www.beyondhealth.com/steroids-dangers.htm http://www.exrx.net/AnabolicSteroids/Physiological.html http://www.aap.org/family/steroids.htm http://kidshealth.org/teen/drug_alcohol/drugs/steroids.html Abusing steroids will do harm to your body, as will abusing alcohol or any drug for that matter. That is not my point. If taken properly, or under proper guidance, there is not one factual study that proves that steroids will damage your body in any way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 5, 2004 Share Posted December 5, 2004 Abusing steroids will do harm to your body, as will abusing alcohol or any drug for that matter. That is not my point. If taken properly, or under proper guidance, there is not one factual study that proves that steroids will damage your body in any way. Increased blood pressure, higher instances of cancer, increased risk of heart attack, liver failure, etc. It seems pretty clear there is plenty of risk. Granted there is always more risk when a drug is abused, but that is damned obvious if you ask me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redandwhite Posted December 5, 2004 Share Posted December 5, 2004 Increased blood pressure, higher instances of cancer, increased risk of heart attack, liver failure, etc. It seems pretty clear there is plenty of risk. Granted there is always more risk when a drug is abused, but that is damned obvious if you ask me. There's a risk to walk upstairs and get a glass of water, lets be honest. All studies regarding anabolic steroids are based on abusing the product. Like I said, when taken properly, they will do no little to no harm to your inner organs. Arnold Schwarzenegger is a perfect example. The guy not only took, but abused steroids for 15-20 years, and now at almost 60 years old appears to be in rather good health. There are also many diseases and such that use steroids as the basis of there treatment. Delayed puberty for instance uses testosterone to make your body grow at a more speedy rate and no studies have proven that they hinder or hurt the teenagers life. This argument seems to be going nowhere, but I just think because of the media steroids have been way overblown as something that will automatically kill the user, which is 100% false. As stated in the rebuttal, steroids have not killed one person, not one. It's just something to think about in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisox05 Posted December 5, 2004 Share Posted December 5, 2004 Wow, boston's speed for his weight always amazed me. I wonder if he took roids at OSU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 5, 2004 Share Posted December 5, 2004 As stated in the rebuttal, steroids have not killed one person, not one. It's just something to think about in my opinion. AIDS hasn't killed anyone either. Should we stop funding research and looking for a cure? AIDS doesn't kill people, but it weakens the immune system to the point where a cold will kill you. Steroids causes other problems which can kill you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redandwhite Posted December 5, 2004 Share Posted December 5, 2004 Wow, boston's speed for his weight always amazed me. I wonder if he took roids at OSU. He wasn't all that big of a boy at Ohio State. His arms had always been big, and he'd always been a rather strong kid, but his stomach only started to protrude when he got into the NFL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redandwhite Posted December 5, 2004 Share Posted December 5, 2004 AIDS hasn't killed anyone either. Should we stop funding research and looking for a cure? AIDS doesn't kill people, but it weakens the immune system to the point where a cold will kill you. Steroids causes other problems which can kill you. You know where I stand, I know where you stand. I just don't think its fair to say that steroids will guarantee a short and early death. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 5, 2004 Share Posted December 5, 2004 You know where I stand, I know where you stand. I just don't think its fair to say that steroids will guarantee a short and early death. Dude, that is twice you have done that. I never said the "guarantee" anything. Please don't put words in my mouth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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