chisox2334 Posted December 7, 2004 Share Posted December 7, 2004 Guys renteria is not coming here and quite frankily we moight be in running but after hearing Kenny Willams hes not happy and if he had something almost done he be a better mood. I wish it happeend but just dosent look good or sound good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubKilla Posted December 7, 2004 Share Posted December 7, 2004 What do you think would've happened to the 2003 team if KW got his wish and dumped Manuel after the All-Star break or back in May? Couldn't have been any worse than what DID happen. I suppose there were some posters asking the same thing in Florida too when Torborg was canned in '03 :rolly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted December 7, 2004 Share Posted December 7, 2004 Couldn't have been any worse than what DID happen. And why is that? Can't you give me a simple answer? What do you think would've happened to the 2003 team if KW got his wish and dumped Manuel after the All-Star break or back in May? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubKilla Posted December 7, 2004 Share Posted December 7, 2004 What do you think would've happened to the 2003 team if KW got his wish and dumped Manuel after the All-Star break or back in May? Who knows? Nobody knows. But, as I said, it couldn't have been any worse than what DID happen to the '03 White Sox under Manuel. I don't think it's that hard to understand. But maybe it's just me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greasywheels121 Posted December 7, 2004 Share Posted December 7, 2004 Hey CubKilla, I noticed the change to your sig. Yes, we haven't made any moves, but what team has? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisox2334 Posted December 7, 2004 Share Posted December 7, 2004 Guys, all im saying right now is Kenny Willams mood is not good at all. Hearing his confrence call just gives me that erry feeling that things are not looking good and I just can see it but I dont want to see this, but soxfest might get even more harsh on sox management. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted December 7, 2004 Share Posted December 7, 2004 Who knows? Nobody knows. But, as I said, it couldn't have been any worse than what DID happen to the '03 White Sox under Manuel. I don't think it's that hard to understand. But maybe it's just me. I'm not asking for what would happen to the Sox if Manuel was fired. I don't expect you to know the answer. I would just like to read what you think what would've happened to the Sox if they fired Manuel after the All-Star break. Playoffs? ALCS? World Series? KW felt that the team he put together could've gone deep into the playoffs. I bet you think KW is stupid for saying that, yet you can even give me a simple answer as to how far you think the Sox would've gone under a manager other than Manuel for the second half of 2003. Personally, I felt they could've made it to the ALCS because they would've played the Yanks in the first round, and the Sox dominated the Yanks in 2003. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted December 7, 2004 Share Posted December 7, 2004 I'm not asking for what would happen to the Sox if Manuel was fired. I don't expect you to know the answer. I would just like to read what you think the White Sox would've happened to the Sox if they fired Manuel after the All-Star break. Playoffs? ALCS? World Series? KW felt that the team he put together could've gone deep into the playoffs. I bet you think KW is stupid for saying that, yet you can even give me a simple answer as to how far you think the Sox would've gone under a manager other than Manuel for the second half of 2003. Personally, I felt they could've made it to the ALCS because they would've played the Yanks in the first round, and the Sox dominated the Yanks in 2003. That team should have won the world series, imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Tizzle Posted December 7, 2004 Share Posted December 7, 2004 Hey CubKilla, I noticed the change to your sig. Yes, we haven't made any moves, but what team has? It doesn't matter what other teams have done. Does Williams have to wait for another organization to become active to create his own moves? Will Artero Moreno signing Carlos Beltran give Williams enough courage to sign Jaret Wright? Should have absolutely no effect. Free Agent siginings should become the first priority of this club. For a man who's quick to initiate moves midyear, Williams sure becomes shy in the offseason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted December 7, 2004 Share Posted December 7, 2004 Out of curiousity, how would people feel if the only two moves we made this off season were to sign Renteria and Jared Wright? Would that be "successful"? Depends on what holes we open up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted December 7, 2004 Share Posted December 7, 2004 It doesn't matter what other teams have done. Does Williams have to wait for another organization to become active to create his own moves? Will Artero Moreno signing Carlos Beltran give Williams enough courage to sign Jaret Wright? Should have absolutely no effect. Free Agent siginings should become the first priority of this club. For a man who's quick to initiate moves midyear, Williams sure becomes shy in the offseason. By waiting for other teams to make moves, it affects the market. The Mets and Reds have been f***ing up the market for pitchers, and Beltran could control the market for free agent outfielders. Artero Moreno signing Carlos Beltran could affect how much KW pays Hidalgo or Dye. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted December 7, 2004 Share Posted December 7, 2004 I've been a larger than average supporter of KW for a few years. I will say this much. KW is responsible for the fact we haven't had a 5th starter for two years. He's also responsible for the fact that we have an unbalanced line up for 4 years. Too many RH sluggers. Not enough lefties and not enough table setters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted December 7, 2004 Share Posted December 7, 2004 I've been a larger than average supporter of KW for a few years. I will say this much. KW is responsible for the fact we haven't had a 5th starter for two years. He's also responsible for the fact that we have an unbalanced line up for 4 years. Too many RH sluggers. Not enough lefties and not enough table setters. I disagree with you on KW not having 5 starters going into the 2003 season. He had (2002 stats): Buehrle (19-12) Colon (20-8) Garland (12-12) Wright (14-12) Loaiza (9-10) penciled in the rotation for 2003 and before Loaiza, he tried to get Kenny Rogers, but JR wouldn't pony up the extra $1 million to get him (Rogers is also a client of Boras.) Wright was pitching through injuries, so there was talk about the Sox possibly getting Ponson, and were close to getting Weaver, but they refused to give up Neal Cotts for him. Just thinking of what could've happened with the 2003 season pisses me off. Would you compare it to the South Side Hitmen of 1977? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted December 7, 2004 Share Posted December 7, 2004 I disagree with you on KW not having 5 starters going into the 2003 season. He had (2002 stats): Buehrle (19-12) Colon (20-8) Garland (12-12) Wright (14-12) Loaiza (9-10) penciled in the rotation for 2003 and before Loaiza, he tried to get Kenny Rogers, but JR wouldn't pony up the extra $1 million to get him (Rogers is also a client of Boras.) Wright was pitching through injuries, so there was talk about the Sox possibly getting Ponson, and were close to getting Weaver, but they refused to give up Neal Cotts for him. Just thinking of what could've happened with the 2003 season pisses me off. Would you compare it to the South Side Hitmen of 1977? Ok. I'll give KW 6 weeks leeway in 2003. He should have seen that Wright was unable to pitch effectively through the injury and then done something about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greasywheels121 Posted December 7, 2004 Share Posted December 7, 2004 It doesn't matter what other teams have done. Does Williams have to wait for another organization to become active to create his own moves? Will Artero Moreno signing Carlos Beltran give Williams enough courage to sign Jaret Wright? Should have absolutely no effect. Free Agent siginings should become the first priority of this club. For a man who's quick to initiate moves midyear, Williams sure becomes shy in the offseason. I don't think he has a choice. Many players like Pedro, are going to want to hear every offer. KW can't do anything about that. Unless you want him to overpay to the 10th power, and it seems whenever that's done, everyone has a seizure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 7, 2004 Share Posted December 7, 2004 Depends on what holes we open up. What holes would we open up by signing two free agents? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisox2334 Posted December 7, 2004 Share Posted December 7, 2004 Who ever is saying renteria will be signed early will be nuts. Kenny Willams for one seems high hope for uribe out of the confrence call. The only thing I see happening is us going after wright. Thats my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted December 7, 2004 Author Share Posted December 7, 2004 Who ever is saying renteria will be signed early will be nuts. Kenny Willams for one seems high hope for uribe out of the confrence call. The only thing I see happening is us going after wright. Thats my opinion. There are few teams in the running for Renteria. STL and Ana [wants Beltran 1st and foremost]. The Sox could be as well. Renteria could get done pretty quickly if a team offers more than the 4 yr, $32 mill STL offer . I listened to the conference call. KW said they wanted Vizquel for his ability to "balance" the lineup and provide "leadership". Uribe at SS, with a Harris/ RH hitting platoon player does neither. Signing a guy like Renteria would fit in nicely with both Sox wants. I agree Kw seems intent on Uribe at SS, thereby keeping Harris at 2b [could be KW has a stake in proving his doubters wrong, that his 2 small deals reap big rewards?!]. Yet I don't think Ozzie is sold on having Uribe and Harris up the middle. Here's hoping Ozzie wins out I think the Sox need more leadership, the kind Vizquel could have brought and Renteria could bring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted December 7, 2004 Share Posted December 7, 2004 If the Sox want leadership and to balance the line up, they need to make an all out effort to sign Steve Finley. If he'll listen to Detroit, he'll listen to the Sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted December 7, 2004 Author Share Posted December 7, 2004 If the Sox want leadership and to balance the line up, they need to make an all out effort to sign Steve Finley. If he'll listen to Detroit, he'll listen to the Sox. Good call. His $4 mill a yr for 2 yrs would fit in nicely with plan B. Substitute Finley for Dye or AJ, and he could fit. Maybe I should make an "amended plan B" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted December 7, 2004 Author Share Posted December 7, 2004 If the Sox want leadership and to balance the line up, they need to make an all out effort to sign Steve Finley. If he'll listen to Detroit, he'll listen to the Sox. I didn't see the Gammons article that said Det.'s offer was like 2 yrs and $16 mill. A little too steep for my blood Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted December 7, 2004 Share Posted December 7, 2004 I didn't see the Gammons article that said Det.'s offer was like 2 yrs and $16 mill. A little too steep for my blood Not to me. Not for Stve Finley. The guy may be 39, but he's still very skilled and effective. He's a leader and winner. Put him in CF, move ARow to RF and you have a kick ass outfield. $8 mill is about half of what we paid Magglio last year. Steve Finley is worth 55% of Magglio's salary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3E8 Posted December 7, 2004 Share Posted December 7, 2004 Juan Uribe is expected to enter the season as the White Sox's starting shortstop after the team failed to sign Omar Vizquel. Uribe, who would have played second base next year if not for the Giants' move to offer Vizquel a third year, is a better bet than the former Indian anyway. The problem is that the White Sox may now be penciling in Willie Harris at second base. Fortunately, there are enough free agent second basemen on the market to make Harris's return to a reserve role likely. Dec. 7 - 12:49 pm et Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanOfCorn Posted December 7, 2004 Share Posted December 7, 2004 3E8...was that from rotoworld? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted December 7, 2004 Share Posted December 7, 2004 3E8...was that from rotoworld? Yes......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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