Guest JimH Posted December 8, 2004 Share Posted December 8, 2004 Naa, that doesn't work here.. you have 3 people here who think they are god among ants cause they can reference a couple of sites to throw BS numbers at you, only to miss the points you were trying to make. I will leave this alone now because I don't want to derail the thread ... But have you considered that maybe, just maybe, those three people feel the same way about you? At least consider the "agree to disagree" approach, less stressful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 8, 2004 Share Posted December 8, 2004 Yes. Now we are absolutely thinking the same. The next question would be, who wants Paul Konerko and what type of starting pitcher could you get for him? I still have my doubts on a Javier Vazquez for Paul Konerko deal, unless the Yanks and Dbacks can't work things out and decide Giambi isn't their answer. I do know one thing, signing Dye now allows Kenny to explore every and any avenue at the winter meetings of a deal involving Konerko. Having Hermanson and I'm crossing my fingers, Scho, joining the Sox bullpen would give them an above average pen, which would be a big improvement over what I would rank as a below average pen. Then Dye and Gibbons gives the Sox a deep lineup, not as good as last years, but still good. It is more balanced when you consider an actual left handed power presence and Gload/Everett coming off the bench once Frank comes back. So the only question left is can the Sox find a top of the order hitter and who do they get for Konerko (I still like keeping Garland around, he's a workhorse). But if they dealt Konerko and Garland I'm now starting to like the idea of Odalis Perez on the South Side. Hopefully this is how KW is thinking, cause the signing of Hermanson coupled with a potential signing of Dye could mean he's thinking along our lines and either way I think the moves make sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 8, 2004 Share Posted December 8, 2004 ChiSox.. my biggest question mark.. Who from Baltimore would be a good starter here? But I agree with the Gibbons move, been trying to get him to the Sox since the end of this past year. Well if I were the Sox I wouldn't make a major deal with Baltimore. If the Sox deal Konerko they need to get a legit leadoff hitter (Luis Castillo, etc) or pick up a good starting pitcher or get good prospects and payroll relief which goes into signing a starting pitcher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoIL Posted December 8, 2004 Share Posted December 8, 2004 I have several concerns about a possible Jermaine Dye signing. One is, how healthy is this guy? That exact concern holds true for Gibbons. Weren't these the same concerns when we signed Ellis Burks and then a year later, Darren Jackson? Those two turned out pretty good for us. Dye and/or Gibbons might do the same. Also at that time I seem to recall alot of talk about how good Herm Schnieder and his staff were at keeping these guys on the field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchetman Posted December 8, 2004 Share Posted December 8, 2004 Weren't these the same concerns when we signed Ellis Burks and then a year later, Darren Jackson? Those two turned out pretty good for us. Dye and/or Gibbons might do the same. Also at that time I seem to recall alot of talk about how good Herm Schnieder and his staff were at keeping these guys on the field. i miss the ole ron schuler reclamation projects...sabo, kruk, devereaux, magrane, hammaker, righetti, etc, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanOfCorn Posted December 8, 2004 Share Posted December 8, 2004 Whether the Sox are in the process of signing Dye or not, Kenny can't say anything til it's done, can he? Does that process affect non-tenders? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AddisonStSox Posted December 8, 2004 Share Posted December 8, 2004 Yikes. A Hermanson/Dye off-season thus far...not off to the roaring start I was hoping for. Kenny loves those diamond in the rough guys. I don't think I have ever seen Dye step into the batter's box...ever...I haven't seen one of his at-bats. Looks like he had one big year and then some average years, and I am aware that he is injury-prone. Ugh'. Hopefully Kenny knows more than we do on this one. Maybe he snags him at a great price for one year (maybe a second year option) as a stopgap until Anderson is ready. Hot stove is warming up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kane0730 Posted December 8, 2004 Share Posted December 8, 2004 Depending on health, I think I'd rather have Hollandsworth then Gibbons. Just have to make sure he wears a shin-guard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 8, 2004 Share Posted December 8, 2004 I wouldn't call Dye injury prone. He had a horrible injury that shattered his kneecap pretty much and broke his leg in the playoffs. He just has been hampered by it, but last season seemed to put the past behind him and should only get better this season, imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AddisonStSox Posted December 8, 2004 Share Posted December 8, 2004 Scary thought... LF-Dye CF-Rowand RF-Jurassic If Carlos is traded...what do we make of this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchetman Posted December 8, 2004 Share Posted December 8, 2004 dye would be in RF. he's pretty good there. perhaps the best OF arm in the game. Jurassic anywhere in the field is a scary thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 8, 2004 Share Posted December 8, 2004 Scary thought... LF-Dye CF-Rowand RF-Jurassic If Carlos is trade...what do we make of this? :puke is what I make of it. I've seen better defense played by the Bulls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 8, 2004 Share Posted December 8, 2004 Scary thought... LF-Dye CF-Rowand RF-Jurassic If Carlos is trade...what do we make of this? Just to point out Dye plays RF and is a pretty good defensive right fielder (with a very strong arm). And I have no problem with that cause i think either Everett or Gload can play LF and do a capable job both offensively and defensively. Plus you have to factor that Lee has some serious trade value. If it equated into Tim Hudson then fine by me. Otherwise I'd prefer to see the Sox deal Konerko. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilJester99 Posted December 8, 2004 Share Posted December 8, 2004 Scary thought... LF-Dye CF-Rowand RF-Jurassic If Carlos is traded...what do we make of this? Geez you know how to make a person feel ill .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted December 8, 2004 Share Posted December 8, 2004 Scary thought... LF-Dye CF-Rowand RF-Jurassic If Carlos is traded...what do we make of this? It seems Paul is much closer to the block than Carlos. Losing Maggs, and Frank.. I don't think Kenny would be stupid and trade Carlos, also. If he does.. oye ve.. my finger is hurting already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnthraxFan93 Posted December 8, 2004 Share Posted December 8, 2004 Scary thought... LF-Dye CF-Rowand RF-Jurassic If Carlos is traded...what do we make of this? I would think that Pauly get traded b4 Lee... Also have read that KW, doesn't want to trade Lee, and would rather trade Pauly since PK is a FA at seasons end. LF Lee Cf Rowand RF Dye 1b Gibbons/Gload Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 8, 2004 Share Posted December 8, 2004 I would think that Pauly get traded b4 Lee... Also have read that KW, doesn't want to trade Lee, and would rather trade Pauly since PK is a FA at seasons end. LF Lee Cf Rowand RF Dye 1b Gibbons/Gload Thats how I wouldn't mind seeing things go down. Assuming the Sox could get a good starter for Konerko. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoIL Posted December 8, 2004 Share Posted December 8, 2004 i miss the ole ron schuler reclamation projects...sabo, kruk, devereaux, magrane, hammaker, righetti, etc, etc. How 'bout Cory Snyder! I guess that track record is worse than I remember. :rolly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnthraxFan93 Posted December 8, 2004 Share Posted December 8, 2004 Plus you have to factor that Lee has some serious trade value. If it equated into Tim Hudson then fine by me. Otherwise I'd prefer to see the Sox deal Konerko. I agree, only way I trade Lee is for a big Time SP, like Hudson...Who is an Auburn Tiger..can't go wrong there!! WAR EAGLE! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AddisonStSox Posted December 8, 2004 Share Posted December 8, 2004 It seems Paul is much closer to the block than Carlos. Losing Maggs, and Frank.. I don't think Kenny would be stupid and trade Carlos, also. If he does.. oye ve.. my finger is hurting already. Glad to see you and I are on the same page with this one. At this point, I'm really hoping PK gets dished. It no longer appears Carlos is expendable. Didn't mean to make everyone :puke LF-CLee CF-Rowand RF-Dye Looks a little better doesn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 8, 2004 Share Posted December 8, 2004 Another guy you could plug in at 1st/DH if Konerko gets dealt, even though I want Gibbons, is Brad Fullmer. Pretty solid hitter when healthy. Not a good defensive first baseman though. He's a DH in my book. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted December 8, 2004 Share Posted December 8, 2004 Glad to see you and I are on the same page with this one. It's so much easier when you all realize that I am always right... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AddisonStSox Posted December 8, 2004 Share Posted December 8, 2004 Another guy you could plug in at 1st/DH if Konerko gets dealt, even though I want Gibbons, is Brad Fullmer. Pretty solid hitter when healthy. Not a good defensive first baseman though. He's a DH in my book. Plus, one look at him and you know he could bust some skulls in a bench-clearer. So, he could always work security if things don't work out. I'm thinking Gload is going to be the man at first going into ST. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 8, 2004 Share Posted December 8, 2004 It's so much easier when you all realize that I am always right... So where was the Hermanson news yesterday? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 8, 2004 Share Posted December 8, 2004 I have to say, it really wouldnt matter what we got for Carlos, he cant go. IMO, he is not only the most underrated White Sox, but one of the top 5 underrated players in all of baseball. The guy is a ROCK in the lineup that just keeps getting better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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