Jaret wright signs with the yankees

[SoxFan562004]

I'm definitely an optimist and I still think we'll do something but I got that same feeling right now.  I feel like throwing up :puke

Man, I was an optimist too (still am I guess) but I just hear KW saying "well we wanted to improve, but at the right price, and we think we can compete in this division with what we have, I'm excited!" I will literally throw up when I hear that.

 

I have no idea what KW is going to do now, overpay for Pedro or bring some #3 starter in here and say "oh well he just hasn't got a chance, we think he can be a top of the rotation pitcher in this situation" while the ghostly spectre of Todd Ritchie hovers above him.

 

I know the Pedro thing won't happen, but neither will Renteria, Beltran, Pavano, Clement.

 

This is it for KW as far as I'm concerned, if he doesn't pull something out of his ass he HAS to be fired, this would be the second off-season in a row not doing much, with the added attration of losing Maggs.

 

UHHH!!!! I'm just frustrated right now... The White Sox have to realize that what they decide the price for a player is isn't the market price. Did the Tigers "overpay" for I-Rod? Probably yes, but there was no chance in hell he would have gone there without doing it.... Sox need to do something soon

[Chisoxfn]

At this rate he will be about fifty million per year. :headshake

He'll go to the Mets 4yr 50+ mill, imo. Boston will acquire one of the big 3 when shockingly they don't get Pavano.

[Gene Honda Civic]

Here is a bridge for all of you to jump off.

 

 

This is not the end of the world. And frankly, pinning your hopes on a often-injured starter, coming off a fluke season under the tutledge of Leo Mazzone is a little scary.

 

Here's a study that shows Mazzone takes .5 to .85 ERA off of a pitcher's ERA -- Add the .3 difference between the NL and the AL, and the 15% more runs given up at Comiskey compared to the Ted, and Wright would be looking at a Garlandesque ERA here in Chicago.

[chisox2334]

radke signs today with twins

[SoxFan562004]

Here is a bridge for all of you to jump off.

 

 

This is not the end of the world.  And frankly, pinning your hopes on a often-injured starter, coming off a fluke season under the tutledge of Leo Mazzone is a little scary. 

 

Here's a study that shows Mazzone takes .5 to .85 ERA off of a pitcher's ERA -- Add the .3 difference between the NL and the AL, and the 15% more runs given up at Comiskey compared to the Ted, and Wright would be looking at a Garlandesque ERA here in Chicago.

man, I know.... I'm in total panic mode right now... but what are the White Sox going to do? It just seems now that any "big" name FA's are getting offers from the Sox and going to other teams to top it.

[southsideirish71]

Here is a bridge for all of you to jump off.

 

 

This is not the end of the world.  And frankly, pinning your hopes on a often-injured starter, coming off a fluke season under the tutledge of Leo Mazzone is a little scary. 

 

Here's a study that shows Mazzone takes .5 to .85 ERA off of a pitcher's ERA -- Add the .3 difference between the NL and the AL, and the 15% more runs given up at Comiskey compared to the Ted, and Wright would be looking at a Garlandesque ERA here in Chicago.

Well who do you really think we will sign and for what real dollar amount.

[santo=dorf]

Man, I was an optimist too (still am I guess) but I just hear KW saying "well we wanted to improve, but at the right price, and we think we can compete in this division with what we have, I'm excited!"  I will literally throw up when I hear that.

 

I have no idea what KW is going to do now, overpay for Pedro or bring some #3 starter in here and say "oh well he just hasn't got a chance, we think he can be a top of the rotation pitcher in this situation" while the ghostly spectre of Todd Ritchie hovers above him.

 

I know the Pedro thing won't happen, but neither will Renteria, Beltran, Pavano, Clement. 

 

This is it for KW as far as I'm concerned, if he doesn't pull something out of his ass he HAS to be fired, this would be the second off-season in a row not doing much, with the added attration of losing Maggs.

 

UHHH!!!! I'm just frustrated right now... The White Sox have to realize that what they decide the price for a player is isn't the market price.  Did the Tigers "overpay" for I-Rod?  Probably yes, but there was no chance in hell he would have gone there without doing it.... Sox need to do something soon

Last season he tried to trade Magglio for Williamson and Nomar. He could've then turned Nomar into some pitching help. You can't fault KW for f***ing up the A-Rod to Boston trade. IIRC, last year's market wasn't as good as this year's market in terms of the talent being available, but the Mets, Reds and Yankees are totally f***ing up the costs for starting pitching this offseason.

[jackie hayes]

How much do you think Clement and Pavano are going to cost with the Yanks and Mets setting this price.  Do you really see the sox paying that asking price.  I dont care if we got Wright or not.  I am more upset at the salary level that these fringe pitchers are getting.  It sets a unrealistic and unatainable salary level for the sox.  We will go back to the lightening in a bottle theory and hope some C level pitcher can have a career season next year. 

 

Thanks New York for nothing.

I never thought either Pavano or Clement would happen, anyway. I don't think this'll launch the cost of other pitchers much higher. The reason these guys signed huge deals early is that 2 deep-pocket teams identified these pitchers as high priorities. To the Mets and Yanks, these weren't fringe pitchers at all. There isn't an unlimited number of rotation spots open on deep-pocket teams.

[qwerty]

radke signs today with twins

http://www.soxtalk.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=26922

[chisox2334]

* watching players falling off our list or as kenny says " under the radar" weeeeeeeeeeeeee

[SoxAce]

radke signs today with twins

:headshake

God I hate when we face him. Now we have to deal with it again.

[Gene Honda Civic]

Well who do you really think we will sign and for what real dollar amount.

Within the week Milton will sign with the Yankees.

 

Lieber will be available. The Yankees also are gonna get the deal done with Zona for Vazquez. We will be the most likely destination for Vazquez, in what is likely to turn into a 3-way deal.

 

Oh, and if Lieber is available, he's worth more than Wright and Benson... I'd be willing to shell out $8M per

Edited December 8, 2004 by Gene Honda Civic

[Chisoxfn]

Here is a bridge for all of you to jump off.

 

 

This is not the end of the world.  And frankly, pinning your hopes on a often-injured starter, coming off a fluke season under the tutledge of Leo Mazzone is a little scary. 

 

Here's a study that shows Mazzone takes .5 to .85 ERA off of a pitcher's ERA -- Add the .3 difference between the NL and the AL, and the 15% more runs given up at Comiskey compared to the Ted, and Wright would be looking at a Garlandesque ERA here in Chicago.

I agree with the general basis of that study. But their are other factors. Odalis Perez and Jason Marquis are two young pitchers that have done just fine after leaving Atlanta, in fact both have done better.

 

Now neither were really 100% with the Braves but still. I think in general I thought Jaret Wright would be a good pickup. Not at 7 million a year, but it is a better risk then paying Contreras 6 per. However, as long as healthy, Jaret Wright has very good stuff and has learned to pitch instead of throw.

 

He's a good pickup by New York and with Lieber on the market their is another guy the Sox can turn their attention too. Unfortunately 2yr 14-16 mill is all of a sudden what the market dictates to get him and I don't know if thats worth it.

 

Right now if I were the Sox I may consider heavily adjusting the plan and doing my best to acquire relief pitching and get a serviceable fifth starter and fill lineup holes instead.

 

I'm not a fan of overpaying for questionable pitching. By questionable pitching i mean giving guys fat contracts who really aren't aces. Thats what screwed a lot of organizations over before this latest collective bargaining agreement and it seems like this year baseball is going back in that direction.

 

Still, their will be some bargains out their. Hell, why not make a phone call and see if the Cards are willing to deal Ankiel and work the phones and try to make some under the radar moves to acquire power arms and see what else works out.

 

Still, their are some good options still out their. I still say Kevin Brown could be intriguing, as could Vazquez. I like getting Vazquez a hell of a lot more then Contreras.

[witesoxfan]

WTF, goddamn assholes.

 

Sox have Vizquel locked up...San Fran comes in at the last second. Sox the favorites to land Jaret Wright...Yankees snatch him up. Sox favorites to win the division...3rd place, 2nd place, 2nd place...f*** this s***.

 

Goddammit, I wanna be the f***in underdogs for once.

 

We'll sign someone...I'm just not completely sure who right now, at what cost, and how good they will be. I just hope to god we are not looking at Esteban Loaiza. :headshake

[chisox2334]

I know you want this other form but another pitcher gone in matt moris. All I see more pitchers fall off. I guess back to loaiza

[SoxFan562004]

We'll sign someone...I'm just not completely sure who right now, at what cost, and how good they will be.  I just hope to god we are not looking at Esteban Loaiza.  :headshake

Thanks, I just threw up in my mouth

[AngelasDaddy0427]

WTF, goddamn assholes.

 

Sox have Vizquel locked up...San Fran comes in at the last second.  Sox the favorites to land Jaret Wright...Yankees snatch him up.  Sox favorites to win the division...3rd place, 2nd place, 2nd place...f*** this s***.

 

Goddammit, I wanna be the f***in underdogs for once. 

 

We'll sign someone...I'm just not completely sure who right now, at what cost, and how good they will be.  I just hope to god we are not looking at Esteban Loaiza.  :headshake

Honestly I think at this rate Esty will be to expensive for us. :headshake

[Chisoxfn]

Within the week Milton will sign with the Yankees. 

 

Lieber will be available.  The Yankees also are gonna get the deal done with Zona for Vazquez.  We will be the most likely destination for Vazquez, in what is likely to turn into a 3-way deal.

 

Oh, and if Lieber is available, he's worth more than Wright and Benson... I'd be willing to shell out $8M per

The question is will Kenny panic and overpay for Vazquez and how serious are the Dbacks in dealing him. A week ago reports at least made it sound like they wanted Vazuqez for themselves. Obviously they want pitching and if the rumor is true that they will sign Glaus, plus they've offered arb to Sexson, it makes you wonder whether they would have any interest in Konerko at all.

[Chisoxfn]

WTF, goddamn assholes.

 

Sox have Vizquel locked up...San Fran comes in at the last second.  Sox the favorites to land Jaret Wright...Yankees snatch him up.  Sox favorites to win the division...3rd place, 2nd place, 2nd place...f*** this s***.

 

Goddammit, I wanna be the f***in underdogs for once. 

 

We'll sign someone...I'm just not completely sure who right now, at what cost, and how good they will be.  I just hope to god we are not looking at Esteban Loaiza.  :headshake

I wonder how much of an effor the Sox really made.

[Flash Tizzle]

Here is a bridge for all of you to jump off.

 

This is not the end of the world.  And frankly, pinning your hopes on a often-injured starter, coming off a fluke season under the tutledge of Leo Mazzone is a little scary. 

 

Here's a study that shows Mazzone takes .5 to .85 ERA off of a pitcher's ERA -- Add the .3 difference between the NL and the AL, and the 15% more runs given up at Comiskey compared to the Ted, and Wright would be looking at a Garlandesque ERA here in Chicago.

You can find faults in any player available on the market. If you can't, the particular player you've envisioned is likely commanding a high salary.

 

Honestly, is there a pitcher available who is cheap, young, talented, and willing to pitch at USCF? Someone who raises no questions yet is well worth their market value?

 

Wright may have been our best option when you factor in financial limitations (ie, Reinsdorf).

[chisox2334]

hey anyone like scrappy aurilla?

[SoxFan562004]

The question is will Kenny panic and overpay for Vazquez and how serious are the Dbacks in dealing him.  A week ago reports at least made it sound like they wanted Vazuqez for themselves.  Obviously they want pitching and if the rumor is true that they will sign Glaus, plus they've offered arb to Sexson, it makes you wonder whether they would have any interest in Konerko at all.

If KW is going to panic and overpay at this point I want it to be for Renteria, I would rather have his glove and bat than overpaying for a 2 or 3 starter

 

This is going to suck... and we have to deal with the Second Coming of Nomar tomorrow in the paper and the radio (completely ignoring the Cubs played better with Perez at SS)

[santo=dorf]

hey anyone like scrappy aurilla?

Can he pitch?

[chisox2334]

how about andy ashby

[southsideirish71]

I never thought either Pavano or Clement would happen, anyway.  I don't think this'll launch the cost of other pitchers much higher.  The reason these guys signed huge deals early is that 2 deep-pocket teams identified these pitchers as high priorities.  To the Mets and Yanks, these weren't fringe pitchers at all.  There isn't an unlimited number of rotation spots open on deep-pocket teams.

I disagree. I think this will drive the market. The mets started this crap by giving Benson the big contract based on nothing. Now Wright gets big money based on one season and a lot of injuries. This is similiar to real estate. You watch the values of other properties to set a price and then you go from there. I think Wright is a good pitcher and all but a Matt Clement or a Pavano bring more to the table and are worth more. You can bet that their agents are noting statistical splits to bring to the table. This will only ehance their value. Plus as more of these pitchers go off the market the more demand there is for the remaining. Which will create more demand and drive up the prices.

 

 

My absolute worse case scenario for this year. Is that we add some C level free agent or old guy who hasnt played baseball in a year or so, or we go with the 5 headed monster at number 5. The tigers get pavano. And we wind up fighting the royals for 4th place. If we are at that point around the trade deadline with heavy priced Konerko and Lee do you really doubt that we will not dump those plays for "a chance to retool for 2006" I dont trust Reinsdorf or his salary requirements.