SoxFan562004 Posted December 8, 2004 Share Posted December 8, 2004 Basically KW is going to come to spring training with the exact same team as last year, except no Maggs and Contreras in the E-Lo role (actually the hindsight E-lo role because the Sox expected a lot from him coming into spring training) :puke that's how I feel right now.... I'm just panicing as a Sox fan.... I know I'm going to wake up to "Cubs sign Beltran" tomorrow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisox2334 Posted December 8, 2004 Share Posted December 8, 2004 Yeah one game dosent do it for me. There was reason hes there becuase he sucked at starting and yanks knew that after 3 games of him starting plz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted December 8, 2004 Share Posted December 8, 2004 Best available option at the price we were offering. Name one available FA pitcher, worth 5 million per/year, capable of providing this organization with a #3 spot in the rotation. See we agree on that -- The problem is he was "worth" only $5M to us, the Yankee$ have no ceiling, they will end up paying almost $50M in luxury tax this season. That's in addition to their $200+M payroll... We can't compete with that, and until that is fixed there will be no WS on the southside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 8, 2004 Share Posted December 8, 2004 What if the Sox did something like get a cheap 5th starter, but at the same time signed a good reliever or two (or traded for) as well as picked up Pyrz, Polanco and a guy like Gibbons? They fill their position holes and the pen and live with the rotation for the time being, knowing that as time gets closer they could make a splash then or at least try to. It may not be a bad idea if you could pick up some of those guys relatively cheap, considering the Sox would still have a solid 4 man rotation and a guy like Elo or whoever in the 5hole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackie hayes Posted December 8, 2004 Share Posted December 8, 2004 Best available option at the price we were offering. Name one available FA pitcher, worth 5 million per/year, capable of providing this organization with a #3 spot in the rotation. Maybe at that price, I'm not sure. But then he wasn't really our best option (since he got more than that), so aren't you glad we didn't sign him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan562004 Posted December 8, 2004 Share Posted December 8, 2004 What if the Sox did something like get a cheap 5th starter, but at the same time signed a good reliever or two (or traded for) as well as picked up Pyrz, Polanco and a guy like Gibbons? They fill their position holes and the pen and live with the rotation for the time being, knowing that as time gets closer they could make a splash then or at least try to. It may not be a bad idea if you could pick up some of those guys relatively cheap, considering the Sox would still have a solid 4 man rotation and a guy like Elo or whoever in the 5hole. I do think you can make minor moves like that and compete (Marlins and Angels give me hope, note not the Moreno Angels, but the ones who won the Series with a ton of role players). However, I think you have to have a system/ballclub philosophy to achieve that. This is not a route you can turn to in mid-stream. You have to sit in your baseball meetings and target these guys early, not late. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted December 8, 2004 Share Posted December 8, 2004 Yeah one game dosent do it for me. There was reason hes there becuase he sucked at starting and yanks knew that after 3 games of him starting plz. OK. I'm wrong and you're right. :headshake It's a goddamn suggestion...lighten the hell up already. It's a message board...we are here to talk about crazy s*** about what could be and what couldn't be, and when it happens, we give our take on it. FWIW, KW did make the right move in letting Wright go...$7 mill is too much for an injury prone pitcher who has had 1 good year in the past 5 or so, and it just so happened to come under Leo Mazzone. I liked Wright as much as anyone, but that does not mean KW made the wrong decision in not upping his offer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish71 Posted December 8, 2004 Share Posted December 8, 2004 Maybe at that price, I'm not sure. But then he wasn't really our best option (since he got more than that), so aren't you glad we didn't sign him? You keep saying that we are glad we didnt get him. So what praytell do you see as the answer for our 5th starter retard-a-thon we march out there to go 1-15 last year. Who do you think we will go after and how much money do you think it will cost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan562004 Posted December 8, 2004 Share Posted December 8, 2004 FWIW, KW did make the right move in letting Wright go...$7 mill is too much for an injury prone pitcher who has had 1 good year in the past 5 or so, and it just so happened to come under Leo Mazzone. I liked Wright as much as anyone, but that does not mean KW made the wrong decision in not upping his offer. for me it's hard to judge right and wrong until the major moves are over... usually mid January. With that said the longer KW waits the more prices are going to go up everywhere. I tend to wait to judge GM's until their roster is in place, and my panic is adding to my insane ramblings... but options are running out. So if KW pulls something out of his ass then yeah it's a good move... but if KW does jack s***, then no I think he should have overpayed (how's that for riding the fence!!) theoretically this is part of his job to make these projections and make decisions based on them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 8, 2004 Share Posted December 8, 2004 I think right now role players isn't a bad way to go. Hope you are right in Contreras and Garland making strides because on paper the top 4 stuff wise is better then a lot. I don't have much fait in it, but thats just cause I think the Sox wanted to spite me by getting rid of one Jose I couldn't stand for another. Although I'll give Contreras the shot to prove me wrong. On a sidenote, turning to Polanco still looks good to me especially since it seems like most teams are going after the ss's, which means a team like the Sox could quickly go in and snag Placido. Placido, Pyrz and Gibbons and then the team looks around to target a SP and RP. That would look good to me. If you don't like Gibbons their is always Burnitz (strikeout machine, but not that bad of a player), Jermaine Dye (problem is he's right handed bat) plus I'm sure some guys will be non-tendered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisox2334 Posted December 8, 2004 Share Posted December 8, 2004 By the way trading konerko and garland solve the danm 5th starter ???? exactley 1-15 again wooooooooooo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan562004 Posted December 8, 2004 Share Posted December 8, 2004 By the way trading konerko and garland solve the danm 5th starter ???? exactley 1-15 again wooooooooooo man I agree... this would be 2 years in a row where the 5th starter is just simply not addressed in a sufficient way... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punch and Judy Garland Posted December 8, 2004 Share Posted December 8, 2004 I want Odalis, but I disagree with the guy who said he'll make $6. GIven the market, I think 3/24 is the absolute floor right now. I read somethere in someone's post (qwerty?) that Wade Miller is feeling better and he will be tendered. All of the sudden Shawn Chacon is starting to look like a better option. Forget Grili and Diaz. It might be time to fast track B-Mac. Do the Sox need a fundraiser or something? Should I start baking cookies so we can bring in a utility infielder? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted December 8, 2004 Share Posted December 8, 2004 By the way trading konerko and garland solve the danm 5th starter ???? exactley 1-15 again wooooooooooo Grilli even won two games... /Nice stats. :rolly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan562004 Posted December 8, 2004 Share Posted December 8, 2004 I want Odalis, but I disagree with the guy who said he'll make $6. GIven the market, I think 3/24 is the absolute floor right now. I read somethere in someone's post (qwerty?) that Wade Miller is feeling better and he will be tendered. All of the sudden Shawn Chacon is starting to look like a better option. Forget Grili and Diaz. It might be time to fast track B-Mac. Do the Sox need a fundraiser or something? Should I start baking cookies so we can bring in a utility infielder? I'm a Dodgers fan (spent summers in LA growing up) and I'm scared to death of Perez in the Cell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Tizzle Posted December 8, 2004 Share Posted December 8, 2004 Maybe at that price, I'm not sure. But then he wasn't really our best option (since he got more than that), so aren't you glad we didn't sign him? Not really. Doesn't make me feel better about our situation. Several weeks ago, when I assumed a stale offseason was forthecoming, I didn't predict how frustrated this inactivity would make me. Finals week and I'm worrying about our 2005 roster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 8, 2004 Share Posted December 8, 2004 I want Odalis, but I disagree with the guy who said he'll make $6. GIven the market, I think 3/24 is the absolute floor right now. I read somethere in someone's post (qwerty?) that Wade Miller is feeling better and he will be tendered. All of the sudden Shawn Chacon is starting to look like a better option. Forget Grili and Diaz. It might be time to fast track B-Mac. Do the Sox need a fundraiser or something? Should I start baking cookies so we can bring in a utility infielder? I was the one who said 6 million and I'll stick to that estimate. The market for Perez isn't the same as the market for some of these guys. The rest of the pitchers getting signed thus far don't have the character issues that Perez has. However, thats not to say that Milton is better then Perez cause he's gonna get a bigger contract. I just think Perez lack of wins (whether valid or not) is going to hurt him on the market, especially when mixed with the attitude he showed in LA. Their is a reason the Dodgers are making absolutely zero effort to resign him, even though, they have some holes in the rotation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted December 8, 2004 Share Posted December 8, 2004 I'm a Dodgers fan (spent summers in LA growing up) and I'm scared to death of Perez in the Cell. He has still pitched exceptionally well on the road. Don't forget, our offense also plays at the Cell when our pitchers are on the mound too. Just not at the same time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 8, 2004 Share Posted December 8, 2004 If the Sox strengthened their position holes, moved KOnerko and Garland for a front line pitcher then I'll live with a very cheap 5th starter and BMac getting fast tracked. I don't think Bmac is ready just yet though, give him at least 6 months but in general I think one more season in the minors will be best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan562004 Posted December 8, 2004 Share Posted December 8, 2004 Not really. Doesn't make me feel better about our situation. Several weeks ago, when I assumed a stale offseason was forthecoming, I didn't predict how frustrated this inactivity would make me. Finals week and I'm worrying about our 2005 roster. that sums up my feelings too. I'm in the middle of finals in my 8th and final goddamn year of college and grad school.... I just wanted some positive news. All KW's big talk about "top of the rotation starter" is what fired me up... now all this s***.... Like I said earlier, I'm sitting here thinking of what the Sox could do and I just don't see any of it happening (Renteria, Pedro, Beltran, Kent..... just goes on and on) Another off-season of overhyping average players (again, my money is on Cairo) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punch and Judy Garland Posted December 8, 2004 Share Posted December 8, 2004 someone on another baord said Lieber to the Phils is close, no confirmation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted December 8, 2004 Author Share Posted December 8, 2004 I was the one who said 6 million and I'll stick to that estimate. The market for Perez isn't the same as the market for some of these guys. The rest of the pitchers getting signed thus far don't have the character issues that Perez has. However, thats not to say that Milton is better then Perez cause he's gonna get a bigger contract. I just think Perez lack of wins (whether valid or not) is going to hurt him on the market, especially when mixed with the attitude he showed in LA. Their is a reason the Dodgers are making absolutely zero effort to resign him, even though, they have some holes in the rotation. Gms are smarter than that, they know to not look into wins too much. I am willing to bet he gets eight million on average per year. He is a young lefty who is not as bad on the road as people make him out to be. I know i would not mind having to lefties in the rotation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punch and Judy Garland Posted December 8, 2004 Share Posted December 8, 2004 When will get official confrimation on the declines in arbitration for RObbie, Maggs, and Schoensuck? Should that be available soon? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish71 Posted December 8, 2004 Share Posted December 8, 2004 man I agree... this would be 2 years in a row where the 5th starter is just simply not addressed in a sufficient way... Remember this owner defies logic. He has a team that is in first place and has a great chance of getting to the post season and to the world series. What do you do. You be the guy to champion locking the players out killing the season. Then you give up when only a few games back. Then you blame the fans for not showing up as the reason you cant sign free agents. Now with your more than banner reputation you have a hard time attracting said free agents. Cry that you dont have money after you started this little comcast money making channel deal. Now sign a 38 year old pitcher and call it a success. Maybe we can trade Ryan Sweeney, McCarthy and cash for Everett ...damn he is on the team.....well someone might sign alomar. Last year we heard the we need grinders montra. Did they get any grinders. No. Then they miss out on Flash and sign Mike Jackson. Flash wanted to much money. This year JR states on the radio, the only reason we lost to the twins this year was because of the number 5 starter. Now he is a man of his word. He will find a number 5 starter no matter what minor league incentive backloaded deal it requires. And when the indians and the tigers have higher payrolls than us. He will quote well Minny did it with no money and look at those amazing fish that did it. They of course had a stocked minor system like the sox did in the early 90s. You have to either buy your talent or stock it yourself. You cant have ass it and try to do it halfway on either side. You wind up with 500 teams and 4th place finishes. Which would be ok if we were in the AL East or West but we are in the central for gods sake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisox2334 Posted December 8, 2004 Share Posted December 8, 2004 Kenny will say it tommrrow. Basically all guys will not becoming back so why even ask that lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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