Dick Allen Posted December 8, 2004 Share Posted December 8, 2004 Boras is now saying the White Sox gave Magglio the name of the doctor in Vienna who performed his surgery, and that they gave it to him before Boras became his agent. Looks like the White Sox spin on losing their best player for nothing is starting to unravel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Critic Posted December 8, 2004 Share Posted December 8, 2004 Boras is now saying the White Sox gave Magglio the name of the doctor in Vienna who performed his surgery, and that they gave it to him before Boras became his agent. Looks like the White Sox spin on losing their best player for nothing is starting to unravel. Boras is also saying that the open workout he promised Maggs would do at the winter meetings is "no longer necessary" and he instead has given paperwork to interested parties. It all sounds too fishy - there's a lot more to this than what's been revealed so far, I would think. I don't trust anything Boras says any more than I trust what Reinsdorf says. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 8, 2004 Share Posted December 8, 2004 Boras is now saying the White Sox gave Magglio the name of the doctor in Vienna who performed his surgery, and that they gave it to him before Boras became his agent. Looks like the White Sox spin on losing their best player for nothing is starting to unravel. Borass also said that ARod has this big huge mystery offer for Alex Rodriguez that didn't exsist either... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 8, 2004 Author Share Posted December 8, 2004 Borass also said that ARod has this big huge mystery offer for Alex Rodriguez that didn't exsist either... That's in the context of negotiation. This is not. KW has yet to deny Boras's claim, and if he or anybody else in the organization doesn't, you know the White Sox were full of s*** on this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted December 8, 2004 Share Posted December 8, 2004 Boras is now saying the White Sox gave Magglio the name of the doctor in Vienna who performed his surgery, and that they gave it to him before Boras became his agent. Looks like the White Sox spin on losing their best player for nothing is starting to unravel. Yet he failed to tell them he was having surgery... That's the point. And, to correct you from all your WSI postings.. they did not know he was having the surgery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted December 8, 2004 Share Posted December 8, 2004 That's in the context of negotiation. This is not. KW has yet to deny Boras's claim, and if he or anybody else in the organization doesn't, you know the White Sox were full of s*** on this one. Full of s*** on what.. giving him a name..? Who cares if they did. He didn't tell them he was having further surgery. That's where the problem lies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 8, 2004 Share Posted December 8, 2004 That's in the context of negotiation. This is not. KW has yet to deny Boras's claim, and if he or anybody else in the organization doesn't, you know the White Sox were full of s*** on this one. Go ahead, believe the 2nd biggest liar in baseball. (behind Bonds). If the Sox come out and say one way or the other, then I will believe it. Until then, Borass is a proven liar who has proven he will say or do anything to keep the value of his players. Who saids that Borass doesn't feel this is all a part of negotiations. The guy is a scumbag, and I wouldn't believe him if he told me the world was round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted December 8, 2004 Share Posted December 8, 2004 The guy is a scumbag, and I wouldn't believe him if he told me the world was round. Tell us how you really feel.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 8, 2004 Author Share Posted December 8, 2004 Full of s*** on what.. giving him a name..? Who cares if they did. He didn't tell them he was having further surgery. That's where the problem lies. The doctor the team recommends, tells him he needs another operation. He has it. That's not lying. The White Sox are deceiving their fan base, trying to put a spin on the fact they are losing a great talent and getting nothing in return. At this point, I wouldn't sign him either. I wouldn't offer him arbitration. The guy got hurt. Why can't they just leave it at that? The reason the White Sox are full of s*** is they are making themselves out to be the victims, when in reality they are the victors. If Magglio's injury is as devasating as some believe, his turning down their offer last summer will be one of the greatest things to ever happen to this franchise. The fact that players almost always seem to leave this team in a cloud of controversy is becoming old. The organization needs to be above that. I blame KW for flapping his gums too much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted December 8, 2004 Share Posted December 8, 2004 The Sox never knew he needed further surgery. They were not told. Maggs did not tell them. It can't be explained any more clear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 8, 2004 Author Share Posted December 8, 2004 The Sox never knew he needed further surgery. They were not told. Maggs did not tell them. It can't be explained any more clear. I not going to argue with you, I am just saying that if Boras is telling the truth, the doctor they recommended to him suggested surgery. It was performed. If they didn't want this guy to perform surgery maybe they shouldn't recommend Magglio fly out to Vienna to see him. Maybe they didn't know he needed additional surgery, and it would be consistant because the White Sox doctors were pretty stumped with this injury from the beginning. They didn't know he needed surgery in May. Referring someone to a european doctor would suggest the White Sox medical team knew Magglio would need additional care. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 8, 2004 Share Posted December 8, 2004 I not going to argue with you, I am just saying that if Boras is telling the truth, the doctor they recommended to him suggested surgery. It was performed. If they didn't want this guy to perform surgery maybe they shouldn't recommend Magglio fly out to Vienna to see him. Maybe they didn't know he needed additional surgery, and it would be consistant because the White Sox doctors were pretty stumped with this injury from the beginning. They didn't know he needed surgery in May. Referring someone to a european doctor would suggest the White Sox medical team knew Magglio would need additional care. You lost me at if Boras is telling the truth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted December 8, 2004 Share Posted December 8, 2004 The Sox never knew he needed further surgery. They were not told. Maggs did not tell them. It can't be explained any more clear. What did they think he was going to do with the doctors name. If I ask you for the name of a good dentist do you not not think I need dental work. not that I beleive Boras but it is quite a spin. Now, the no work-out thing. I do not get that either. KW should respond though to this. If the Sox were affiliated with this doctor, I am not sure what to make. Also doesn't it seem odd how the medical staff is working now a days. Rush sure paid enough but not quite sure they are looking all to good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted December 8, 2004 Share Posted December 8, 2004 If they gave him the name to get a consult or second opinion.. I have no issue with that. Obviously he did take advantage of the contact.. the issue is that rather than come back to the Sox and say "hey.. Dr V told me I need more surgery.. just thought you guys, as my employer who signs my check.... should know...." he went ahead and did it without even a courtesy "this is what I'm doing guys..." Interestingly, I just got a referral for a chiro.. my friend raved about him. I went.. I also went to 2 others. Decided against using any of them. Just because you go for a consult doesn't mean you follow through with any proceedure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 8, 2004 Author Share Posted December 8, 2004 You lost me at Boras is a lot like the National Enquirer. A lot of what he says is fabrication, but there also is some truth in what he says. The White Sox haven't been so honest with injuries this past season, either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 8, 2004 Share Posted December 8, 2004 Boras is a lot like the National Enquirer. A lot of what he says is fabrication, but there also is some truth in what he says. The White Sox haven't been so honest with injuries this past season, either. for example? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greasywheels121 Posted December 8, 2004 Share Posted December 8, 2004 for example? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted December 8, 2004 Share Posted December 8, 2004 Boras is a lot like the National Enquirer. A lot of what he says is fabrication, but there also is some truth in what he says. The White Sox haven't been so honest with injuries this past season, either. The Sox not giving up information to the media is apples to the oranges of an employee not telling his employer about the need for surgery. That's like me failing to tell my boss I'm having hand surgery (when 90% of my job consists of me using them..). I mean.. they DID give me the benifits book with the doctors names in it.. right..?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molto Posted December 8, 2004 Share Posted December 8, 2004 Boras is a lot like the National Enquirer. A lot of what he says is fabrication, but there also is some truth in what he says. The White Sox haven't been so honest with injuries this past season, either. why has it taken him more than a month to refute the report then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 8, 2004 Author Share Posted December 8, 2004 The Sox not giving up information to the media is apples to the oranges of an employee not telling his employer about the need for surgery. That's like me failing to tell my boss I'm having hand surgery (when 90% of my job consists of me using them..). I mean.. they DID give me the benifits book with the doctors names in it.. right..?? That's a little different. If your employer knew of your hand injury and told you of a european doctor who may be able to help you, and you flew out to see him or her, and said doctor recommended surgery and performed it on you, your employer, who already determined you would be able to work for the rest of the length of your contract, wouldn't be shocked by your decision to have surgery. They gave you the benefits book, they didn't recommend a doctor. Magglio is gone. Maybe he could have handled things better. He was being advised by his new agent. People need to get off of the Magglio is an asshole kick they are on, and remember how he represented this team with class and all star performance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 8, 2004 Author Share Posted December 8, 2004 why has it taken him more than a month to refute the report then? I'm sure the timing has everything to do with the arbitration deadline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanOfCorn Posted December 8, 2004 Share Posted December 8, 2004 How is Boras giving paperwork instead of an actual workout helping Magglio? He'll be lucky to get the 1 year/$8 mil Nomar got. if a team signs him for more than that, I'll be shocked and amazed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted December 8, 2004 Share Posted December 8, 2004 That's a little different. If your employer knew of your hand injury and told you of a european doctor who may be able to help you, and you flew out to see him or her, and said doctor recommended surgery and performed it on you, your employer, who already determined you would be able to work for the rest of the length of your contract, wouldn't be shocked by your decision to have surgery. They gave you the benefits book, they didn't recommend a doctor. Magglio is gone. Maybe he could have handled things better. He was being advised by his new agent. People need to get off of the Magglio is an asshole kick they are on, and remember how he represented this team with class and all star performance. What's different.. you just explained the exact same scenerio. And you're right.. they wouldn't be shocked... IF I told them I was going to have it. The benifits book was a tad bit of sarcasm by me - hense the " " And, although I don't care enough to waste energy calling him one, people have every right to call him an asshole and be pissed. It seems to be a trait of being a Sox fan. One more thing about his "new agent"... Maggs inquired with and aside from legal forms signed agreed to terms with Boras last winter. That, IMO, wasn't a very "honest" thing to do... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 8, 2004 Author Share Posted December 8, 2004 How is Boras giving paperwork instead of an actual workout helping Magglio? He'll be lucky to get the 1 year/$8 mil Nomar got. if a team signs him for more than that, I'll be shocked and amazed. So you're saying the White Sox haven't put a spin on this entire situation. That Magglio and/or his people are to blame? FWIW, my source with the White Sox swears they knew about his surgery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanOfCorn Posted December 8, 2004 Share Posted December 8, 2004 So you're saying the White Sox haven't put a spin on this entire situation. That Magglio and/or his people are to blame? FWIW, my source with the White Sox swears they knew about his surgery. Sure the Sox put a spin on it. So has Boras. I have no problem with going to Vienna for surgery, whether the name was supplied by the Sox or not. I DO have a problem with Magglio and Boras not allowing his current employer not allowing a look at the knee. I don't think ballplayers only get payed when they are playing...i would imagine they spread the payments over the year, since they are doing offseason work for the club. Therefore, if he's still getting paid, why can't he get that knee checked out. That's spin. I don't think he's an asshole, but he's definitely not the person I thought he was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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