kapkomet Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 And for what they signed him for, I'll take it. I get the feeling that Jurassic will become trade bait, assuming the Sox stay healthy next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshPR Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 Dye is Paul Konerko for the outfield.. He's not going to put up a gaudy average, but he's going to benefit greatly from the short porches, and should easily be penciled in for 30 HR's. I would not be surprised by 35. He plays good defense in RF, equal to, if not better than, Maggs. He'll ground into his fair share of DP's, and fits right along side the sox other 100K right handed sluggers. I think he'll put up right around career average numbers, plus some USCF inflation... .270+/.340/.490 -- 30 HR's 90+ RBI's 120K's Those are Fair Numbers Gene. Good Call Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomsonmi Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 According to Bruce Levine, Dye turned down more money from the Diamondbacks and a similar deal from the Rangers. It's good to hear that he wanted to be here. Dye himself had some good things to say about the White Sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 I liked what he brought to the table in Boston, but after the comments he made I lost interest in the guy. The fact of the matter is this, you don't spend 2-3 million dollars on a bench player in my opinion especially when you already have Carl Everett making four million next season and on the bench. A ten million dollar bench is not in the best interest of the team. The starting lineup itself is not real deep right now, so to compensate for that, you should make the bench as deep as you can...that's exactly how I feel. By doing that, you have to spend money on it. The amount of money the bench makes means nothing to me. We need our bench to be as good as possible, especially if we were to go into the year with Gload, Harris, and Crede starting. That could either be really scary, or really good. I just do not see how having a deep bench hurts us, even if it costs around $10 mill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3E8 Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 The starting lineup itself is not real deep right now. LF - solid CF - solid RF - solid 1B - solid DH - solid (assuming Frank doesn't miss too much time) SS - solid 3B, 2B, C - ???. I think our starting lineup is pretty deep. If Willie, Crede, and Davis can extend those 'good' periods that usually last only a month or so, then it is an extremely good lineup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxycardnals Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 LF - solid CF - solid RF - solid 1B - solid DH - solid (assuming Frank doesn't miss too much time) SS - solid 3B, 2B, C - ???. I think our starting lineup is pretty deep. If Willie, Crede, and Davis can extend those 'good' periods that usually last only a month or so, then it is an extremely good lineup. right feild will never be solid ever again! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevHead0881 Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 right feild will never be solid ever again! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 Because ordonez is gone i take it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnthraxFan93 Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 right feild will never be solid ever again! Yeah Vladdy is playing in LA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshPR Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 right feild will never be solid ever again! Really??? Dye is better Defensivly than Ordonez. Dye Won't hoit .330 but he can easly crank 30 dingers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 Dye Won't hoit .330 Neither will Maggs The best Maggs has ever hit in a season is .320, and he normally hits around .310-.315. Not much noteworthy there, just saying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 Just for clarification, not a big deal or anything, but Dye will be making four million in '05, and five million in '06 -- IIRC, reading the whitesox.com article about it, that's the way the contract breaks down. Same thing with Hermanson, too. I think it's something like two million in '05, three million in '06, with a 500K buyout (rather than the 2.75 million per year). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 Well... in light of this signing, Konerko will probably be moved soon. So, as a Sox fan, who would you rather have starting? Everett or Gload? I myself would take Everett if he can stay in shape. Why not have Everett play LF, then move Lee to 1b? I'm sure he can learn 1b quick enough, he started his sporting career as a 3bman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 Just for clarification, not a big deal or anything, but Dye will be making four million in '05, and five million in '06 -- IIRC, reading the whitesox.com article about it, that's the way the contract breaks down. Same thing with Hermanson, too. I think it's something like two million in '05, three million in '06, with a 500K buyout (rather than the 2.75 million per year). I also believe the Dye contract features about a 1.15M buyout in '07. I've seen the total guarenteed value at $10.15M, so that would indicate to me that the contract is 4+5+1.15=10.15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 I also believe the Dye contract features about a 1.15M buyout in '07. I've seen the total guarenteed value at $10.15M, so that would indicate to me that the contract is 4+5+1.15=10.15 Can you explain the whole buyout thing to me? What if the Sox decline the buyout in '07? Does that mean that the Sox get another year of Dye @ five million, or what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 Can you explain the whole buyout thing to me? What if the Sox decline the buyout in '07? Does that mean that the Sox get another year of Dye @ five million, or what? Keith, The Sox can either accept the option and pay him 6 million a year or buyout his option for 1.15 million. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 Keith, The Sox can either accept the option and pay him 6 million a year or buyout his option for 1.15 million. Oh yeah -- forgot about the team option. Team option for '07 is for six million, then? Damn. That's a good deal. Halfway there, but definitely a very nice start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 Can you explain the whole buyout thing to me? What if the Sox decline the buyout in '07? Does that mean that the Sox get another year of Dye @ five million, or what? Yeah,there is a chance he could be around for '07, but I don't know what the '07 salary is. If the sox don't want Dye back in '07 they have to pay to not have him back, I'm speculating that that figure is $1.15M based on what I've heard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 Oh yeah -- forgot about the team option. Team option for '07 is for six million, then? Damn. That's a good deal. Halfway there, but definitely a very nice start. Since they can buy him out for 1.15 million they have to ask themselves if he is worth 4.85 million or not. That is how i take it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 Oh yeah -- forgot about the team option. Team option for '07 is for six million, then? Damn. That's a good deal. Halfway there, but definitely a very nice start. Yep and I completely agree. This is a good deal, for both sides too. Its even better when you think that Dye actually wants to be here. I know one thing, if Dye is healthy this move will be one of the better ones in recent history, imo. I think Cheat had some pretty good numbers posted as a prediction in another thread. I also like what this move and the Hermanson one did. It basically allows Kenny to spend the rest of the offseason looking for another starting pitcher and a maybe a non-tender infielder. I highly doubt the Sox will go after Polanco now that the Phils offered him arb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 Yeah,there is a chance he could be around for '07, but I don't know what the '07 salary is. If the sox don't want Dye back in '07 they have to pay to not have him back, I'm speculating that that figure is $1.15M based on what I've heard. Its six million, which isn't bad. With the Sox potentially losing Lee then as well, it gives the Sox at least a backup plan if they don't think they can resign Lee, whom I'd like to see remain a White Sox for a long time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 Its six million, which isn't bad. With the Sox potentially losing Lee then as well, it gives the Sox at least a backup plan if they don't think they can resign Lee, whom I'd like to see remain a White Sox for a long time. Me and witesoxfan (at least us two) are on paper (or somewhere, on Soxtalk) down as saying we think that Lee is going to have an absolutely monster year this season. MVP-like. Carlos Lee.... Yes! Getting to your point, if Cora is non-tendered, I bet he's signed by us. All of the connections on the team, plus he's a low-strikeout, pretty high OBP guy. Solid defensively, I assume, too, but you've seen him more than I have. He's a lefty too, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 Me and witesoxfan (at least us two) are on paper (or somewhere, on Soxtalk) down as saying we think that Lee is going to have an absolutely monster year this season. MVP-like. Carlos Lee.... Yes! Getting to your point, if Cora is non-tendered, I bet he's signed by us. All of the connections on the team, plus he's a low-strikeout, pretty high OBP guy. Solid defensively, I assume, too, but you've seen him more than I have. He's a lefty too, right? Yep a lefty. Only real concern I'd have with him is his ups and downs. He tends to be a little streaky, although he really is a gutsy player. Management seems to be talking about finding a replacement for him every year yet he just plays through it. Really solid role player though, I think most of us would be fans. At the same time, his upside isn't what Willie's is, but he's a great pickup because of his versatility. The Sox would have him and Uribe both capable of playing most infield positions and then Harris. All of them are good defensively and Cora is nothing but classy attitude wise. One question, maybe you know, is Joey his dad or uncle? And I agree with you guys on Lee. I think he's insanely underrated and I could see him having a Pujols like year. Don't ask me why, they just look like each other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 Yep a lefty. Only real concern I'd have with him is his ups and downs. He tends to be a little streaky, although he really is a gutsy player. Management seems to be talking about finding a replacement for him every year yet he just plays through it. Really solid role player though, I think most of us would be fans. At the same time, his upside isn't what Willie's is, but he's a great pickup because of his versatility. The Sox would have him and Uribe both capable of playing most infield positions and then Harris. All of them are good defensively and Cora is nothing but classy attitude wise. One question, maybe you know, is Joey his dad or uncle? And I agree with you guys on Lee. I think he's insanely underrated and I could see him having a Pujols like year. Don't ask me why, they just look like each other. Aren't he and Joey brothers? Agreed on the rest of your post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 Aren't he and Joey brothers? Agreed on the rest of your post. That could be it. Actually how the hell could he be the dad now that I think about it. Alex is 29 and Joey is what, barely 40? That be pretty cool then. You know Cora fits as an Ozzie type of guy plus Joey at 3rd. Hopefully they work better then the Alomar brothers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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