GoodAsGould Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 im just wondering where Dye will hit... 3rd 4th or 5th? and then how will the rest of our lineup look like from where he is batting will he hit in front of carlos lee or stuff like that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 He will hit behind Lee/Konerko -- Which ever one is still here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quade36 Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 Ideally, I'd love to see Rowand Bat 3rd. Even if we are less fortunate to start the season with Willie Harris at second, I'd love to see a lineup like this. Harris Uribe Rowand Konerko Lee Everett (Thomas would still be injured) Dye Crede Davis. AHHHHHH. Now that I look at this lineup, they have to trade Konerko. Way too many right handed power hitters. I'll miss him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 When at full strength, the lineup will likely be... Willie - 2B Rowand - CF Thomas - DH Lee - LF/Konerko - 1B Dye - RF Gload - 1B/Everett - LF Uribe - SS Crede - 3B Davis - C Not nearly as strong as we've had in years past..but it's capable of being good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 arow did a great job leading off last year id be up for 1. rowand 2. lee 3. thomas / everett 4. konerko 5. dye 6. uribe 7. crede 8. davis 9. harris kinda wacky but hey, so am i Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 When at full strength, the lineup will likely be... Willie - 2B Rowand - CF Thomas - DH Lee - LF/Konerko - 1B Dye - RF Gload - 1B/Everett - LF Uribe - SS Crede - 3B Davis - C Not nearly as strong as we've had in years past..but it's capable of being good. That lineup is very good if we can add two more things to it. First, add a guy to platoon with Harris to hit vs. LHP's. Next, make sure you have FIVE competent starters, so the pressure isn't on the offense to put up double digits every fifth night. I'm tellin' ya, give me Cairo and Vazquez (+ cash with Vazquez), subtracting Konerko, and we got ourselves one hell of an offseason... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamTell Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 It's sad to see either Konerko or Lee going, but that's the business of baseball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 It's sad to see either Konerko or Lee going, but that's the business of baseball. Definitely true. While I've advocated trading Konerko, seeing him go will be tough. I'll admit it. He had me in tears when, in 2003, amidst one of the worst slumps I've ever seen, Paully manages to jack an 0-2 off of Eddie Guardado into the left-centerfield stands. I was in tears, so happy for the guy... Wanted to add, in the tenth inning. What a f***ing game that was... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 Definitely true. While I've advocated trading Konerko, seeing him go will be tough. I'll admit it. He had me in tears when, in 2003, amidst one of the worst slumps I've ever seen, Paully manages to jack an 0-2 off of Eddie Guardado into the left-centerfield stands. I was in tears, so happy for the guy... Wanted to add, in the tenth inning. What a f***ing game that was... I'm in the same boat. Paulie is such a class act and the way he handles himself on and off the field is really something to take pride in. Realistically the Sox could pickup an overpaid pitcher for Carl Everett or someone, but this is highly unlikely. Still Konerko may not be gone. I won't be sad if he's still around, I know he's a very good player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 I'm in the same boat. Paulie is such a class act and the way he handles himself on and off the field is really something to take pride in. Realistically the Sox could pickup an overpaid pitcher for Carl Everett or someone, but this is highly unlikely. Still Konerko may not be gone. I won't be sad if he's still around, I know he's a very good player. Wow, a thought just popped into my mind. If we keep Konerko, we'll have SEVEN different guys in our lineup who will, most likely, hit at least 20+ homers (Thomas, Konerko, Uribe, Crede, Lee, Dye, Rowand) -- and, at least two of those guys would hit 30+ homers, with the possibility of FOUR. Bombs away... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 Wow, a thought just popped into my mind. If we keep Konerko, we'll have SEVEN different guys in our lineup who will, most likely, hit at least 20+ homers (Thomas, Konerko, Uribe, Crede, Lee, Dye, Rowand) -- and, at least two of those guys would hit 30+ homers, with the possibility of FOUR. Bombs away... And minus Konerko and Thomas (who won't even be playing part of the season) you wouldn't really have a slow moving lineup. Crede isn't too quick either. Dye is also the only guy thats a major strikeout threat, well and Crede. Thats whats nice about some of the Sox big bats, they aren't the protypical slugger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redandwhite Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 I think its safe to say with the White Sox molding Aaron Rowand into a player who looks at more pitches and walks more, that they have him pencilled into that two hole. one and two in the order is pretty much all we know as of now in terms of the White Sox 1-9 next season in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 I think its safe to say with the White Sox molding Aaron Rowand into a player who looks at more pitches and walks more, that they have him pencilled into that two hole. one and two in the order is pretty much all we know as of now in terms of the White Sox 1-9 next season in my opinion. Red&White, I'm curious, you think they're going to give Harris full reigns to the first spot in the order? It's probably pounded into your head by (if) you've read all the crap I've typed, but I'm definitely willing to give that 2B platoon the leadoff spot... (Cairo/Harris, preferably). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redandwhite Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 Red&White, I'm curious, you think they're going to give Harris full reigns to the first spot in the order? It's probably pounded into your head by (if) you've read all the crap I've typed, but I'm definitely willing to give that 2B platoon the leadoff spot... (Cairo/Harris, preferably). Of course, but until the White Sox acquire that Cairo or whomever, Willie is the man in the leadoff spot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodAsGould Posted December 10, 2004 Author Share Posted December 10, 2004 i just hope willie gets steady playing time if we dont sign cairo... against lefties too just mebe not leading off against them... its about time we officially find out what we have in Willie so hopefully Ozzie doesnt toy around with him again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 i just hope willie gets steady playing time if we dont sign cairo... against lefties too just mebe not leading off against them... its about time we officially find out what we have in Willie so hopefully Ozzie doesnt toy around with him again. .186/.234/.233 -- It's pretty clear that Willie should never face a lefty. EVAR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodAsGould Posted December 10, 2004 Author Share Posted December 10, 2004 yeah but how many AB's did he get against lefties... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 129 too many. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 Red&White, I'm curious, you think they're going to give Harris full reigns to the first spot in the order? It's probably pounded into your head by (if) you've read all the crap I've typed, but I'm definitely willing to give that 2B platoon the leadoff spot... (Cairo/Harris, preferably). Honestly I have absolutely no problem with Willie in the leadoff spot but its obvious Ozzie has some flaws. Personally I think their is a chance that Ozzie ruins the potential Willie has. He already handled him like an idiot earlier in the year. The only thing I don't liek about Willie is the stuff being said about him lately about his attitude. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerhead johnson Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 Wow, a thought just popped into my mind. If we keep Konerko, we'll have SEVEN different guys in our lineup who will, most likely, hit at least 20+ homers (Thomas, Konerko, Uribe, Crede, Lee, Dye, Rowand) -- and, at least two of those guys would hit 30+ homers, with the possibility of FOUR. Bombs away... Our pitching staff had a 5.09 ERA in USCF last year. That's bombs away for our opponents, correct? Who wants to see 10 to 8 type games? It might be fun if you're like 12 years old. Buehrle with a 5.02 ERA at home :puke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 And minus Konerko and Thomas (who won't even be playing part of the season) you wouldn't really have a slow moving lineup. Crede isn't too quick either. Dye is also the only guy thats a major strikeout threat, well and Crede. Thats whats nice about some of the Sox big bats, they aren't the protypical slugger. Regarding Thomas missing part of the season, I found this in an AP article about the Dye signing. Williams said he wants the extra depth in case Frank Thomas’ recovery from ankle surgery takes longer than expected. Thomas had surgery Oct. 6 and Williams said he’s still expected back sometime in spring training. “But as I mentioned ... we have to prepare in the event that there is a slower road of recovery for him,” Williams said. “This certainly covers us in a variety of ways.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Socks Posted December 11, 2004 Share Posted December 11, 2004 Regarding the Dye signing, I certainly don't mind it, but when the 2005 season is over, future injuries notwithstanding, Jeremy Reed will have finished his first big league season, and I feel pretty safe in predicting that he will have put up better numbers than Dye, and he definitely will have a better future than Dye. Dye will cost about $5.5MM in 2005, Reed will cost about $.350MM in 2005. That's a difference in over $5MM. Basically the same difference in 2006. And we would save the $9MM/yr we gave Freddy. With all that money, KW would have been able to attract a couple of very good pitchers. I still hate that trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchetman Posted December 11, 2004 Share Posted December 11, 2004 Our lineup isn't going to have too many high OBP guys.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted December 11, 2004 Share Posted December 11, 2004 Regarding the Dye signing, I certainly don't mind it, but when the 2005 season is over, future injuries notwithstanding, Jeremy Reed will have finished his first big league season, and I feel pretty safe in predicting that he will have put up better numbers than Dye, and he definitely will have a better future than Dye. Dye will cost about $5.5MM in 2005, Reed will cost about $.350MM in 2005. That's a difference in over $5MM. Basically the same difference in 2006. And we would save the $9MM/yr we gave Freddy. With all that money, KW would have been able to attract a couple of very good pitchers. I still hate that trade. Have you seen the salary pitchers are commanding this winter? I mean the Russ Ortiz signing was sick. Leiber had half a season in NY and he's signed a gauenteed 3 year contract at 8 million per. Garcia is a bargain. He'd be pulling in 12 to 13 million on the free agent market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 11, 2004 Share Posted December 11, 2004 Have you seen the salary pitchers are commanding this winter? I mean the Russ Ortiz signing was sick. Leiber had half a season in NY and he's signed a gauenteed 3 year contract at 8 million per. Garcia is a bargain. He'd be pulling in 12 to 13 million on the free agent market. Yeah if Russ Ortiz is in the 11-12 mil/yr range, there is no doubt that Garcia has to be at least there, if not a notch above that. The sheer fact that we have our pitchers locked up at under market long term deals is a huge bonus for this team, as it gave them the cash to grab other players. If we had kept Olivo and Reed, and tried to sign a pitcher, we would be looking at probably having both Grilli and Diaz in the rotation next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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