YASNY Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 I'm not blaming Magglio ... I'm not blaming the Sox. I am just saying that I hate this negativity every time a player leaves the team. And yes, Texsox, it effects free agency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Critic Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 Makes it hard to sign free agents. At least we've been able to keep Frank Thomas smiling every year and happy as hell with the organization and his contracts. I am certain no one here would get their feelings hurt if they knew their boss was trying to get rid of them. Imagine not knowing where you would be living that season? Which schools your kids would be going to? Should you sign a new lease, buy that home? I know they are well compensated, but with all that money comes some real s***ty stuff. I remember how stressful my relocation was, and I had options. Basically being told by your boss that they thnk they can do better wthout you and you may have to move and work for a different company, must really suck. I am just thankful he didn't accept that last Sox offer. We already have a great DH, and if he's slowed or worse, it would have been a mess. I understand the point you're making, Tex, but you can't really equate the world of the professional athlete with the "real" world. I don't know how many of the White Sox make their off-season home in Chicago, but I'm guessing it's not many. I assume most players rent a home or apartment for the duration of the season. Therefore, the team they play for would have no bearing on their home purchase, children's schooling, etc. As for the "my boss likes someone better than me" thing, that same player didn't give a s*** about the person he replaced to get his shot, so boo-f***ing-hoo when it's time for the next guy to step in. It's part of the game, always has been. The main problem IMO is that these athletes have had their asses kissed ever since ever, and they just can't adjust to the idea that someone doesn't think that they're Jesus anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greasywheels121 Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 As for the "my boss likes someone better than me" thing, that same player didn't give a s*** about the person he replaced to get his shot, so boo-f***ing-hoo when it's time for the next guy to step in. It's part of the game, always has been. The main problem IMO is that these athletes have had their asses kissed ever since ever, and they just can't adjust to the idea that someone doesn't think that they're Jesus anymore. Seriously....the guy got paid $14M to sit on his ass for half the year. I can't feel that bad for him, unless he's trying to help Sprewell feed his kids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NO!!MARY!!! Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 First of all, let me say that when it comes to the White Sox, I am the worst pessimist in the world. That being said, here is what I think will happen, and I will take it to the bank: Magglio will sign with the Cubs. Chicago media has extended orgasm. The Cubs will win the National League pennant, and I'd bet they'll win the World Series. At the very least, they'll win the division. Ordonez will be a key contributor. As for the White Sox, get ready for another year of mediocrity, abuse, low attendance, and Thomas on the DL, to be joined by the banged-up Jermaine Dye. Sorry, but when it comes to the White Sox, that is as optimistic as I am going to get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngelasDaddy0427 Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 First of all, let me say that when it comes to the White Sox, I am the worst pessimist in the world. That being said, here is what I think will happen, and I will take it to the bank: Magglio will sign with the Cubs. Chicago media has extended orgasm. The Cubs will win the National League pennant, and I'd bet they'll win the World Series. At the very least, they'll win the division. Ordonez will be a key contributor. As for the White Sox, get ready for another year of mediocrity, abuse, low attendance, and Thomas on the DL, to be joined by the banged-up Jermaine Dye. Sorry, but when it comes to the White Sox, that is as optimistic as I am going to get. ...and your still here why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 Exactly. From both sides. The owners want the players to be loyal and work for less, the players want the owners to be loyal and show "respect" (Player to English dictionary lists respect = money) and of course everyone wants the fans to be loyal. Alomar and Kelly are gone. No one complains about owner loyalty. If the team wanted either one to stay we would be hearing some crap about the players being loyal and staying. No one complains about owner loyalty? There were tons of complaints when lots of players left town. People were pissed off at the way Fisk was treated, people were pissed at the contract Ventura was offered, there was an uproar over the white flag trade, etc. Plenty gets said about owner loyalty. The only reason Maggs is getting crucified over this is because they made a big stink and lied at every stage of these negotiations to do it. Plenty of players have left Chicago and they are still idolized by lots of people. Maggs is about the only one that has achieved this level of dispisement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 No one complains about owner loyalty? There were tons of complaints when lots of players left town. People were pissed off at the way Fisk was treated, people were pissed at the contract Ventura was offered, there was an uproar over the white flag trade, etc. Plenty gets said about owner loyalty. The only reason Maggs is getting crucified over this is because they made a big stink and lied at every stage of these negotiations to do it. Plenty of players have left Chicago and they are still idolized by lots of people. Maggs is about the only one that has achieved this level of dispisement. I stand corrected, there have been complaints about owner loyalty. I am not privy to insider information so I do not know who is lying. It seems to me that a WS Doctor would be the contact point for a player, not Kenny or someone else. So when Boras says the WS provided the surgeons name, I accept that. I wouldn't expect the travelling secretary to say "here's the guy to call". I am just happy Maggs didn't accept that last contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greasywheels121 Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 I am just happy Maggs didn't accept that last contract. So am I. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FUCKREINSDORF Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 So let me get this straight... Maggs is telling the truth, the Sox are lying... But no MLB team is allowed to give him a physical on his knee until after he signs the contract, just a work out? Good luck with that liar. The Cubs have one overpaid worthless outfielder they don't need another one. If you didn't have anything to hide you'd let other teams give you a physical even if you hated the Sox. Good point.If there's nothing to hide,you say "Sure,go ahead,look at these X-Rays.Wanna see me workout?? The knee's 100 %.Honest". Sox fans will see who the liar is shortly. My money's on Bora$ keeping everyone in the dark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AddisonStSox Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 Players that possess loyality and chivalry are a dying breed. Owners that possess loyality and chivalry are a dying breed. Its just that simple. Sports now-a-days are about the almighty dollar. I don't care how much these players say they love their fans and such because they are just being PC. This doesn't apply for all players, but I have to think it applies for the majority. So long Mags, don't let the door hit you on the ass on the way out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 Players that possess loyality and chivalry are a dying breed. Owners that possess loyality and chivalry are a dying breed. Its just that simple. Sports now-a-days are about the almighty dollar. I don't care how much these players say they love their fans and such because they are just being PC. This doesn't apply for all players, but I have to think it applies for the majority. So long Mags, don't let the door hit you on the ass on the way out. Loyalty has to be a two-way street. Thank Curt Flood for this. I would not want a career that allowed the company to tell me where to live. I support the players having free agency. Too bad it never is pretty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisox05 Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 Maggs, we know you will never be a whitesock again but this is just disrespectful Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 Maggs held his workout for interested teams today --- Oh wait, No that was cancelled. I'm sure the knee is fine. :rolly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nokona Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 Honestly, i would be crushed if Mags went to the Cubs. This is our ex-franchise player going to The Dark Side. It's absolutely f***ing disgusting. How could you do something like that? That's like me getting into heaven, staying awhile and then deciding that i'd rather be in hell. Jesus f***ing Christ. However, i do think that he won't last the year without a few stints on the DL. If he does go to the Cubs, i hope he spends the entire season there. That's all there is to say. You don't go to the Cubs if your a White Sox. You dont go to the White Sox if you're a Cub. (Unless your Matt Clement *crosses fingers*). It's like an unspoken rule. And if Mags breaks that, he'll break my heart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 Maggs held his workout for interested teams today --- Oh wait, No that was cancelled. I'm sure the knee is fine. :rolly How healthy is Frank today? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 How healthy is Frank today? Not very, but he's not going around telling everyone that he's fine. All the reports I've heard have frank back about a month into the season. (though as I noted in another thread, I think we'll see him back on the field around June) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted December 11, 2004 Share Posted December 11, 2004 Not very, but he's not going around telling everyone that he's fine. All the reports I've heard have frank back about a month into the season. (though as I noted in another thread, I think we'll see him back on the field around June) Sorry I should have started a new thread. I was just thinking Maggs health today isn't really an issue, it's how it will be come May. And then I remembered Frank was still questionable. Sorry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted December 11, 2004 Share Posted December 11, 2004 Sorry I should have started a new thread. I was just thinking Maggs health today isn't really an issue, it's how it will be come May. And then I remembered Frank was still questionable. Sorry Maggs health today is an issue when he's looking for a new contract and has stated that he's fine, and that he would demonstrate that today... It was just an meniscus tear after all :rolly -- Maggs has said that the White Sox "were saying bad things about him" Well he had a day today to prove the White Sox wrong, to make them look like idiots. All he did was reinforce the belief that he will never be the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoIL Posted December 11, 2004 Share Posted December 11, 2004 I just hate the way this kind of crap makes the Sox look in the eyes of other players. We get Jermaine Dye saying he thinks the Sox are a good fit for him and turning down more money from others to play for us, and then this garbage. It seems that every time a player leaves the Sox, this kind of thing happens. Why? I was thinking about this some. I don't which happened first, Dye's signing and comments about keeping his word or Maggs comments about his treament by the Sox. But could the Maggs and Boras statements be a reaction to the Dye signing? Maggs with some hurt feelings and Boras trying to make his client look better? Maggs has been getting some bad press with Sox fans and Dye's comments didn't help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted December 11, 2004 Share Posted December 11, 2004 Not very, but he's not going around telling everyone that he's fine. All the reports I've heard have frank back about a month into the season. (though as I noted in another thread, I think we'll see him back on the field around June) Kenny said yesterday that he expected Frank back sometime during spring training, fwiw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisox2334 Posted December 11, 2004 Share Posted December 11, 2004 frank most likely miss first month. Now for maggs issue move on and forget about it. Dye is our right fielder and cant wait to see him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted December 11, 2004 Share Posted December 11, 2004 frank most likely miss first month. Now for maggs issue move on and forget about it. Dye is our right fielder and cant wait to see him. Do you have more insight on Frank than KW? EDIT: Now I see where Ozzie is saying June. So .... Who knows? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted December 11, 2004 Share Posted December 11, 2004 Maggs health today is an issue when he's looking for a new contract and has stated that he's fine, and that he would demonstrate that today... It was just an meniscus tear after all :rolly -- Maggs has said that the White Sox "were saying bad things about him" Well he had a day today to prove the White Sox wrong, to make them look like idiots. All he did was reinforce the belief that he will never be the same. I should have said, Maggs health isn't an issue to the White Sox. He wasn't going to play for the Sox next year no matter what. The lowest they could offer (per SS) was a 20% pay cut and no matter what condition the knee was in, that wasn't going to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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