beck72 Posted December 10, 2004 Author Share Posted December 10, 2004 I don't know how I feel about a CLee trade. I remember watching him this year and got the feeling he was turning into a SamMe clone. I got the feeling he was more interested in padding his own stats than getting us back in the division race. Did anyone else get the impression that something changed for the worse for him this year? Like he wasn't as hungry to win? Very much so. If Lee's traded, you can point to that as the reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted December 10, 2004 Author Share Posted December 10, 2004 Could Sea. be a possible trading partner for the sox? They need a big bat. Looking at their roster, who could be a decent fit for the sox? SP Joel Piniero and LF Randy Winn, plus a prospect for Lee. Piniero was hurt last yr [though maybe Freddy Garcia has some inside info on him, if he's healthy or not]. Was very solid and improving before last yr, is only 26. Signed through 2006, will make $4.83 mill in 2005, $6.30 mill in 2006. Winn could hit leadoff, is 30, will make $3.75 mill in 2005, has a $5 mill option in 2006 [sox should decline it]. Sox could get a pitching prospect as well, as the health concerns on Piniero would make him a risk. The salaries are about a wash. the sox pick up a UTL IFer like Miguel Cairo and they could be pretty well set. Then they'd still have Garland and PK on board. as far as the Sea. roster goes, Sea might want to sign a FA rather than hope Piniero comes back healthy. Ibanez could play 1B, Reed move to CF. Lee could reunite w/ Olivo, help him along. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchetman Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 over the next 5 years Lee will be a much better player than Konerko. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubKilla Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 What? She was saying that the payroll from was raised by $12 million dollars from the '03 season to the '04 season which was a direct response to this: Maybe my numbers are off. I have the Sox currently at $68 million + some change. What was the White Sox payroll for '03? $61-$62 million. How is that adding $12 million to '03's salaries? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 Maybe my numbers are off. I have the Sox currently at $68 million + some change. What was the White Sox payroll for '03? $61-$62 million. How is that adding $12 million to '03's salaries? 2003 was $51 million, 2004 was $63 million. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 Maybe my numbers are off. I have the Sox currently at $68 million + some change. What was the White Sox payroll for '03? $61-$62 million. How is that adding $12 million to '03's salaries? '03 was $50 or $51 million. '04 was approximately $64 million. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 2003 was $51 million, 2004 was $63 million. Thanks Mike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubKilla Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 2003 was $51 million, 2004 was $63 million. Ok. Thanks SS. My point was raise the '05 payroll around $10 million so you don't have to dump C Lee and/or PK. I'll go back and edit if I made a typo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted December 10, 2004 Author Share Posted December 10, 2004 over the next 5 years Lee will be a much better player than Konerko. Hence the higher trade value of Lee over PK. I've "debated" Lee's talent before. But the post is about a published report that said Lee could be dealt this weekend. I'm looking at the possbilities of who the Sox could get if they went this route. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 Ok. Thanks SS. My point was raise the '05 payroll around $10 million so you don't have to dump C Lee and/or PK. I'll go back and edit if I made a typo. Oh bulls***.. Here's your comment "For KW to continue to fly under the radar, he's going to have to move salary cause, GOD FORBID, the White Sox actually add considerable (around $10 million) salary over the course of one offseason." You were just trying to take another shot at them.. just admit it.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubKilla Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 Oh bulls***.. Here's your comment "For KW to continue to fly under the radar, he's going to have to move salary cause, GOD FORBID, the White Sox actually add considerable (around $10 million) salary over the course of one offseason." You were just trying to take another shot at them.. just admit it.. Nope. I should have specified. My bad. As pessimistic as I am, I truly believe the Sox could become problems for all in MLB with a payroll near $75 million. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AddisonStSox Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 Is this a walk year for Lee? If it is, he is going to put up some monster numbers. Please just hold off on trading him Kenny. Trade Paulie and get a second-tier starting pitcher, hell, you might even be able to grab Vazquez. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 Is this a walk year for Lee? If it is, he is going to put up some monster numbers. Please just hold off on trading him Kenny. Trade Paulie and get a second-tier starting pitcher, hell, you might even be able to grab Vazquez. He has a team option for 06. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackie hayes Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 Is this a walk year for Lee? If it is, he is going to put up some monster numbers. Please just hold off on trading him Kenny. Trade Paulie and get a second-tier starting pitcher, hell, you might even be able to grab Vazquez. Not really, Sox have an option on him in 2006 IIRC, at about the same salary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan562004 Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 Is this a walk year for Lee? If it is, he is going to put up some monster numbers. Please just hold off on trading him Kenny. Trade Paulie and get a second-tier starting pitcher, hell, you might even be able to grab Vazquez. I'm pretty sure this isn't his walk year... I want to say next year is... with that said if the Sox trade Lee they have to get a bat somewhere... It would be just losing to much offense, because then the Dye signing washing away fears that Borchard was going to get a shot suddenly come surging back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AddisonStSox Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 Not really, Sox have an option on him in 2006 IIRC, at about the same salary. Ok, thanks. Team option or mutual option? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3E8 Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 Could Sea. be a possible trading partner for the sox? They need a big bat. I'd trade Lee for Madritsch (he's from Oak Lawn, a +) plus a prospect. That would be a great deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan562004 Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 I'd trade Lee for Madritsch (he's from Oak Lawn, a +) plus a prospect. That would be a great deal. I would rather see the Sox trade Lee for a MLB player that can play right now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted December 10, 2004 Author Share Posted December 10, 2004 I don't know how I feel about a CLee trade. I remember watching him this year and got the feeling he was turning into a SamMe clone. I got the feeling he was more interested in padding his own stats than getting us back in the division race. Did anyone else get the impression that something changed for the worse for him this year? Like he wasn't as hungry to win? Just to go back to your point, one game sticks out in my mind. It was the April game [vs KC?] where 3, 4 guys ran onto the field. Lee was laughing so hard, at the second to last guy whose sweatpants came down after getting tackled by security. He was having a ball, laughing. What a true "winner" and serious baseball guy who you'd want to build a team around would have done is been pissed that the guy was on the field. Most people were booing the guy, yelling at him. Lee didn't have to tackle the guy. Just be pissed at him, not laugh it up like a clown and encourage more fools to come on the field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoIL Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 I don't know how I feel about a CLee trade. I remember watching him this year and got the feeling he was turning into a SamMe clone. I got the feeling he was more interested in padding his own stats than getting us back in the division race. Did anyone else get the impression that something changed for the worse for him this year? Like he wasn't as hungry to win? It seemed to me as the season went on he started getting into the habit of swinging for the fences too much. This may be because of the power loss Frank and Maggs. But I saw him take a lot of big swings when a base hit would've done the job. I'd still rather trade Konerko. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LosMediasBlancas Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 It seemed to me as the season went on he started getting into the habit of swinging for the fences too much. This may be because of the power loss Frank and Maggs. But I saw him take a lot of big swings when a base hit would've done the job. I'd still rather trade Konerko. Oh heeeeeeeeell yeah, I'd trade Konerko 1st. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFanForever Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 Just to go back to your point, one game sticks out in my mind. It was the April game [vs KC?] where 3, 4 guys ran onto the field. Lee was laughing so hard, at the second to last guy whose sweatpants came down after getting tackled by security. He was having a ball, laughing. What a true "winner" and serious baseball guy who you'd want to build a team around would have done is been pissed that the guy was on the field. Most people were booing the guy, yelling at him. Lee didn't have to tackle the guy. Just be pissed at him, not laugh it up like a clown and encourage more fools to come on the field. Just because he found something funny that you didn't is reason enough for you to want to trade him? If I was in his shoes I would have probably laughed too. He is an easygoing guy who laughs a lot. I don't see any correlation between that and a need to trade him. None at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AddisonStSox Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 Lee has more value. Its just that simple. We shouldn't look so deeply into it. If Kenny has an offer on the table for Lee that he can't refuse, he's going to pull the trigger. I think he has learned over the past few seasons that the offensive production is going to be there (especially playing at USCF), but its the rotation that comes back to bite us in August and Sept. Paulie won't bring in as much as Lee; that's just my opinion, but I think its a fair one. Maybe a trade involving Paulie can bring in Vazquez, but otherwise, trading Lee would probably bring in a SP of more value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackie hayes Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 Just to go back to your point, one game sticks out in my mind. It was the April game [vs KC?] where 3, 4 guys ran onto the field. Lee was laughing so hard, at the second to last guy whose sweatpants came down after getting tackled by security. He was having a ball, laughing. What a true "winner" and serious baseball guy who you'd want to build a team around would have done is been pissed that the guy was on the field. Most people were booing the guy, yelling at him. Lee didn't have to tackle the guy. Just be pissed at him, not laugh it up like a clown and encourage more fools to come on the field. Oh, c'mon. Sorry he's not serious enough for your tastes. Carlos has been a solid citizen and a good, almost great, player, and he's worked hard at his fielding. That's all I know. You claim to have some special knowledge of his soul b/c he laughed when someone got pantsed. Are you kidding me with this? One more thing -- you don't trade a guy just b/c his value's high. Only if it's artificially high -- I don't think that's the case with Carlos at all. Btw, Addison, as ss said, team option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted December 10, 2004 Author Share Posted December 10, 2004 Is this a walk year for Lee? If it is, he is going to put up some monster numbers. No offense, but Minn. never seems to have guys put up "monster numbers" and still win. They have a solid team. The Sox don't have that right now and if it means trading Lee to accomplish that, I'm all for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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