thelatinoheat_30 Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 How about "none of the above" unless it's for Konerko, not Lee Lets not get to excited till I hear what KW manages to do.. If we land RJ or Hudson/ and sign them to extentions then I would be happy.. more with Hudson than Rj ditto to both Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 JR hangs around the office all day? What does he do? I'm assuming JR is in Anaheim with Kenny still. They are probably getting ready to head off, but sometimes GM's stick around longer if necessary to get a deal done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 Batista did well in AZ before he left via free agency. And they didn't seem to want Garland w/ PK for RJ. Move C. Lee for Hinske and Batista, move Batista and Pk for RJ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 How about "none of the above" unless it's for Konerko, not Lee If it were Konerko I think I'd do that Posednik and Ginter deal. And I have my doubts as to how good Posednik is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 JR hangs around the office all day? What does he do? He spends his time owning Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 With the Tor deal, then either Crede or Hinske could go to MIL as part of a deal for Podsednik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AddisonStSox Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 Fellas, since when would Kenny tell Bruce that a deal is on the way? Maybe he was just alerting Bruce of his next bowel movement. That's my bet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 With the Tor deal, then either Crede or Hinske could go to MIL as part of a deal for Podsednik If they shipped Hinske out fine by me. I just don't see the value of those deals. Batista isn't that grand. Just give me Elo back without dealing Lee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 If it were Konerko I think I'd do that Posednik and Ginter deal. And I have my doubts as to how good Posednik is. Per the brewer board, Pod is a lousy defender; that and his poor obp last year, leave me with doubts. Ginter is a utility infielder. If Pod was a .360 OBP man, I'd do it with Konerko. Otherwise, those 2 just don't excite me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 If they shipped Hinske out fine by me. I just don't see the value of those deals. Batista isn't that grand. Just give me Elo back without dealing Lee. I agree about Batista. But he was "grand" with AZ. If they wanted him over Garland in a deal for RJ, fine by me take him. I'd rather keep Garland anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 Per the brewer board, Pod is a lousy defender; that and his poor obp last year, leave me with doubts. Ginter is a utility infielder. Those 2 just don't excite me. Trust me, I'm not overly excited but at least the Sox get 8 million to spend on pitching or whatever else. Assuming they go out and spend Konerko's money I have no problem with the deal. However that Toronto deal gives the Sox no such options. And jesus I don't want Miguel Batista. He was moved to the pen last season for the Jays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 Trust me, I'm not overly excited but at least the Sox get 8 million to spend on pitching or whatever else. Assuming they go out and spend Konerko's money I have no problem with the deal. Unless we already spent it on Everett and Dye Perez is a decent pitcher - how much does he want? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 How would people feel about the Sox losing Pk and Lee and getting RJ and Podsednik, which in essence could happen if the deals to 3 teams went down? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 Unless we already spent it on Everett and Dye Nah, right now payroll still has a little wiggle room, but not much. Enough to probably make one signing around 2-3 million a season. If the Jays took Everett's contract off the Sox hands along with PK for say Batista and Rios and Hinske then I could potentially see something work out. The Sox get a good prospect in Rios (potential leadoff hitter whose really been working out hard this offseason) and save about 4-5 million with Hinske sliding over to 1st or being sent out in a deal elsewhere. Then the Sox clear some more payroll in that deal and set themselves up semi decent to make a run at a free agent pitcher or two or can deal one of Garland/Batista. Or they could turn and deal Batista and Hinske to the brew crew for Pos and Ginter. They'll net Pos, Ginter, and Rios for Konerko and Everett...which is about as ugly as it gets, but at the same time they have now wiggled around to shedding 13 million in payroll. Only problem is all things considering it doesn't sound like Kenny wants to go the free agent route. But that would give him the money to sign Delgado or make a run at a starting pitcher and a solid bat. Plus the Sox still have Lee around and Rios is a solid player as is Pos and Ginter. The Sox also have some extra pieces laying around now for deals too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 How would people feel about the Sox losing Pk and Lee and getting RJ and Podsednik, which in essence could happen if the deals to 3 teams went down? If Frank is out for a prolonged period, or he can't return to form, the White Sox would have a lot of trouble scoring runs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AddisonStSox Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 If, in fact, Kenny was seraching for JR to ask for more dough or the like... Could this be the Shortstop deal? Edgar/Cabrera perhaps? OR Could this be the Chacon deal? This has White Sox written all over it. He'll start the year as the fifth starter and if he fails, he'll be moved to the pen. I really hope this ain't it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilJester99 Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 If it were Konerko I think I'd do that Posednik and Ginter deal. And I have my doubts as to how good Posednik is. Only problem with that is I am sure Mil has no interest in a 1B since they have Overbay....I would love to get Overbay on the Sox...never going to happen though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 Both the Score and AM1000 are talking about Milwaukee, the Posednik thing. That's the latest update at 12:20 pm CST. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AddisonStSox Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 Both the Score and AM1000 are talking about Milwaukee, the Posednik thing. That's the latest update at 12:20 pm CST. Aw crap. I'm getting nervous. I think Melvin might fleece us. Anything involving Lee to the Brewers makes my stomach turn. Please, Please, Please don't let it be Carlos to Milwaukee. This could get ugly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 Both the Score and AM1000 are talking about Milwaukee, the Posednik thing. That's the latest update at 12:20 pm CST. They wouldn't want PK so that throws a hamper into the whole thing, imo. But if their is truth to the Hinske coming over, could they offer Crede for Posednik in a smaller deal? Or turn things into a 3 way deal like I suggested earlier where the Sox walk away winners. Of course I highly doubt Mil would want any part of my suggested 3 way, I see every reason why Toronto and the Sox would though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 I'm going to just hope its a huge deal for Ben Sheets. Please, PLEASE, PLEASE If the Sox are dealing Lee they better get more then just Pos, Ginter and I'm talking about one of their very best prospects, at least that. I don't like the idea of dealing Lee to anyone. The only benefit to this is the Sox at least get payroll. But why the hell would JR have to approve something along these lines (I mean obviously Kenny would want to tell him about it) but its not like the Sox would be spending more money. So it would be as if that money would immediately get directed somewhere else?? Which tells me potential 3 way where the Sox land Pos and someone else maybe??? I can see Mil wanting Lee, maybe Arizona likes some of the Brewers stud prospects? Or Oakland (lord knows that Mil has the middle infield prospects Oakland would like). s*** new idea, 3 way where the Sox ship Lee for Pos and some prospects and then deal someone else along with the prospect or two they get (maybe teh A's want Ginter) for Huddy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MinnesotaSoxFan Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 Of course this happens when I am still in school....can't wait o hear some more news when i get home at around 4 pm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winninguglyin83 Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 Podsednik and Ginter for Caballo is a terrible trade. Carlos has much more value than that. Podsedsik performed well below the league average offensively last year. Ginter is just a glorified utility guy. It's almost like we're tying to pay the Brewers back for ripping them off on the Valentin, Eldred for Navarro/Snyder deal. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winninguglyin83 Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 Maybe they're going to put Crede in the deal and sign the Japanese third baseman they watched work out yesterday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 They wouldn't want PK so that throws a hamper into the whole thing, imo. But if their is truth to the Hinske coming over, could they offer Crede for Posednik in a smaller deal? Or turn things into a 3 way deal like I suggested earlier where the Sox walk away winners. Of course I highly doubt Mil would want any part of my suggested 3 way, I see every reason why Toronto and the Sox would though. I could very well see a Crede for Podsednik swap. Though a Hinske for Podsednik swap would give the sox more payroll flexibility, as Hinske will make $3 mill this yr. Hinske's SLG was undr .400 this yr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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