KevHead0881 Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 Bruce Levine NEW REPORT: As heard on ESPN Radio 1000 Sportscenter update, Kenny will use the $6 M to target a starting pitcher. Of course he is. This deal is just as much about freeing up money for another FA as it is about getting Pods and Viscaino. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 Good example. BTW, ESPN 1000 just said that the Sox now have $6 million. Kenny is most likely to spend that money in a SP. Does anyone know what O. Perez price tag is? I think 3yr 18 million gets a deal done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quickman Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 You sound like my dad, he always says just wait and see. It's the generation gap, I want to know NOW! that's why we are rich and smart, and your still growing up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 You sound like my dad, he always says just wait and see. It's the generation gap, I want to know NOW! I agree with you, I want to know right now also. One thing I've learned, don't count the cows until they're all in the barn. Or something like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 But you can't guarantee his run support would have been significantly higher with the Sox, and if it was, you cannot predict the conditions under which he pitched would have added to his ERA. The guy has never won 15 games in a season, and he finished the season injured and worn down, just like the year before. He's a decent pitcher, he's just not worth $9 million a year. I have never suggested if he was with the sox he would have won more games. Others had said that. My point is when you have runs support in the 2's-3's every game how many pitchers are gonna win 15 games a year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoda Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 He made $5 mil last year. $6 or $7 mil should do it. Borass isn't his agent. Not bad, not bad. I don't think it'll hurt if we can raise the payroll by adding $1 million or $2 million... or would it JR? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tjones Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 Beltran would be way to expensive for us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 Guys, just finished reading this book of a thread. Man, I really need to study more often. At first I was a little pissed reading through the thread. Then I saw Vizcaino and Pos coming our way and when I read that Ginter was coming too I was really excited. However I think thats debatable. And right now I think they are saying a PTBNL because the Sox have to make a roster move and pull someone from their 40 first. Then I think things will open back up. I'm assuming Paulino Reynoso is pulled from the 40. This deal is something I like for two reasons, but as of now, it comes down heavily to who the Sox target and who the PTBNL is. The Brewers happen to have an oustanding farm system, so if they are getting a very good prospect, I'm quite pleased with the deal. If they get Ginter I'm very excited about the deal as well. I think Pos will probably hit .260 or so and have a poor OBP compared to what you'd like out of a leadoff hitter, but at the same time you can pencil in 50 stolen bases and he's going to help create some runs or at least score them. It kills to lose Lee, as I'd rather of dealt Konerko, but the Sox are gonna save about 7 million and now should have roughly 10 million to toss around if they have a budget around 72-74 million. What I do know is that the Sox all of a sudden have a very good bullpen. You don't know how happy this makes me cause I've long said the Sox need to add two good relievers and they have done EXACTLY that. I'm hoping Odalis Perez inks a deal with the Sox. I agree with everything you said. Give me Odalis, and call it an offseason. The key to the deal, though, is that we get Ginter. Because, if we get Ginter, he should be able to give us at least 20 HRs, especially playing at US Cellular. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanOfCorn Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 http://espn.go.com/mlb/s/transanctionsprimer.html Player To Be Named Later Quite often, you'll read that a player has been traded to another team for "a player to be named later." There are two restrictions at work here. First, the transaction must be completed within six months. And second, the player named later can't have played in the same league as the team he's being traded to. That's why the player named later is almost always a minor leaguer. And what if the teams can't agree on who that player will be? This happens rarely, but if no names are agreed upon initially, the clubs will agree on a price to paid in lieu of a player. Sometimes, at the time of the deal the team receiving the player will provide the other club a list of minor leaguers, and later the club will have their pick of the players on that list. This list is negotiated at the time of the trade. In recent years, the Minnesota Twins lost Enrique Wilson this way. When it came time for Cleveland to make their choice, the Twins did what they could to "hide" Wilson, but the Indians found him anyway. Finally, sometimes "Player to be named later" is used to trade players on the Disabled List, since it can be embarrassing for a club to trade for a guy who's on the DL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 3 year 17 and Odalis would be ours. The money for starting pitchers is starting to dry up, and he unlikely will get a bid from the Yankees or Red Sox. Also he was decimated by the Cardinals, and there should be some concerns on how deep into games he can go. But he is an excellent pitcher if you have a bullpen deep enough where you can take him out after 6. SB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 Just throwing out some names in the Brewers organization: Ben Hendrickson (RHP) - AA Mike Jones (RHP) - AA Both of those guys are high upside pitchers. Hendrickson has some of the best stuff in their system and is just beginning to put it together. Jones was around 20 and already in AA. Both put up good numbers their as well. I think that type of caliber prospect could be coming. Just like I think Ginter could be that guy, but the Sox would obviously have to first make a roster move. If it is an official PTBNL, thats another story cause an actual PTBNL can't be a major leaguer or on the 40 man roster (IIRC). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 He made $5 mil last year. $6 or $7 mil should do it. Borass isn't his agent. Came off of an excellent year last year and is one of the few lefties on the market. He will be making more like 7-9 if he holds out a while longer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 Just throwing out some names in the Brewers organization: Ben Hendrickson (RHP) - AA Mike Jones (RHP) - AA Both of those guys are high upside pitchers. Hendrickson has some of the best stuff in their system and is just beginning to put it together. Jones was around 20 and already in AA. Both put up good numbers their as well. I think that type of caliber prospect could be coming. Just like I think Ginter could be that guy, but the Sox would obviously have to first make a roster move. If it is an official PTBNL, thats another story cause an actual PTBNL can't be a major leaguer or on the 40 man roster (IIRC). http://www.brewerfan.net/ViewPower50.do This is alot like future sox, take a look. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 beltran?? i didnt realize that beltran wanted 6 mil a year. This goes back to the remake KW made about meeting with JR this more. Jason Stark, opr one of those guys has an article about Beltran and when he may sign and how they need to get that done. Actually I think it may be J.D. Drew. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shagar69 Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 Just throwing out some names in the Brewers organization: Ben Hendrickson (RHP) - AA Mike Jones (RHP) - AA Both of those guys are high upside pitchers. Hendrickson has some of the best stuff in their system and is just beginning to put it together. Jones was around 20 and already in AA. Both put up good numbers their as well. I think that type of caliber prospect could be coming. Just like I think Ginter could be that guy, but the Sox would obviously have to first make a roster move. If it is an official PTBNL, thats another story cause an actual PTBNL can't be a major leaguer or on the 40 man roster (IIRC). is there ne way in hell, they would give us weeks? cuz that would REALLY solve our 2b problem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 u r a f***in moron, not dumb. do u not see his ERA? IIRC that would be the BEST on our team. he WOULD have like 18 wins. And you know for a fact, Einstein, that that ERA would be just as good at USCF. Pitching against DH's and not pitchers. I never said he was a bad pitcher, he isn't worth the money. :dips*** :dips*** :dips*** :dips*** :dips*** :dips*** :dips*** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shagar69 Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 This goes back to the remake KW made about meeting with JR this more. Jason Stark, opr one of those guys has an article about Beltran and when he may sign and how they need to get that done. Actually I think it may be J.D. Drew. wat r u talkin about?? y the f*** would we get drew? LF-pods, CF-Arow, RF-Dye, DH-Jurassic/Hurt, wat part of that dont u understand? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 Well Kenny had some quotes and mentioned both Luis and Scott specifically so that tells me those two are here. The question is who the PTBNL is. Ginter could still be that guy since he hasn't played in the AL, meaning he could be a PTBNL. The Sox may want to figure some things out really quickly. Maybe if they can't sign a FA pitcher, then they don't get Ginter, but instead take a good pitching prospect from the Brewcrew. Now I think the Sox will target a picture relatively quickly and try to sign him. They are the one team (along with the Cubs) who can snag Clement away from Anaheim, imo. I don't know if monetarily its the move to make. Odalis Perez is a guy out there who could actually be signed at market value. 3 yr 17-18 million and you'll get him, imo. You could even potentially land him at near 5 mill a year and give the rest in incentives. I think you'll see Perez the next acquisition and then the Sox will use the remaining money on a non-tender guy or a middle infielder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanOfCorn Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 wat r u talkin about?? y the f*** would we get drew? LF-pods, CF-Arow, RF-Dye, DH-Jurassic/Hurt, wat part of that dont u understand? easy there buddy. ARow could be used in a trade. Slide Pods to CF and get Drew. It could happen. Just like CLee for Pods and Viz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 easy there buddy. ARow could be used in a trade. Slide Pods to CF and get Drew. It could happen. Just like CLee for Pods and Viz. Rowand is never getting traded this year and drew will not be coming here. He wants five years 50 million. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 easy there buddy. ARow could be used in a trade. Slide Pods to CF and get Drew. It could happen. Just like CLee for Pods and Viz. No, no, no.. Aaron isn't going anywhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 Mike Jones (RHP) - AA WHO???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AddisonStSox Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 I think 3yr 18 million gets a deal done. Funny ain't it Jas, That's the exact amount ($6M) ESPN reports we gained in this trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 is there ne way in hell, they would give us weeks? cuz that would REALLY solve our 2b problem I think Weeks is pretty much untouchable. But if the Sox got him I'd absolutely LOVE this deal. Also the one guy I suggested Jones is out for the entire season according to Brewerfan.net Its a very respectable site, I've talked to the guy that ran it once or twice a long time ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 WHO???? Cancel that name. He's out for 2005. The other guy would be an awesome pickup though. Jones was rated very highly in the Brewers organization though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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