Chisoxfn Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 Pos will play left, no reason not to. He has the weaker arm and Rowand and Dye both have plus arms. Plus Rowand is a fantastic defensive outfielder. My one fear is that Posednik turns into Tony Womack who always had so much freaking speed but never really amounted into that great of a leadoff hitter (although he did a solid job last season). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 Has anyone took into consideration how Posednick numbers may be effected joining contending team? His entire career is spent in Milwaukee, where they've only sniffed contention for the first month of the regular season. Browsing his numbers with RISP (.209 AVG/.313 OBP), concern is growing within me. If ESPN weren't f***ed up, I'd be able to evaluate any trends from previous seasons. Ultimately, Williams may have bought into the hype; anxiously looking to add a player which fits his "grinder" mentality. Despite his astounding stolen base numbers, our club won't significantly improve if his low OBP and AVG continues. Maybe its just me overanalyzing, in an attempt to criticize Williams. EDIT: I realize he's not supposed to drive in runs, but the numbers are good indication of how he handles pressure. I agree, Flash. In fact, if Pods doesn't put up at least (and I'm being nice here) a .340 OBP, the stolen bases really won't mean a damn thing. He needs to take more walks, have a better average, whatever... For anyone who knows, does he K a lot? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnthraxFan93 Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 This f***ing sucks, antrax got one of his hard on players. Yeah but I would not have given up lee to get him, this is another KW f***-up..Lets see what scrub we can get for a pitcher as well.. The only way this makes sense They Sign Orlando Caberea and move Uribe to 2b, Then Sign a SP... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 I agree, Flash. In fact, if Pods doesn't put up at least (and I'm being nice here) a .340 OBP, the stolen bases really won't mean a damn thing. He needs to take more walks, have a better average, whatever... For anyone who knows, does he K a lot? He puts up a .340 OBP with his speed and I'll be pleased. Thats what i'm hoping for because he's going to turn so many plays into doubles and help create so many runs. I'm assuming he's a good bunter? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDsDirtySox Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 Has anyone took into consideration how Posednick numbers may be effected joining contending team? His entire career is spent in Milwaukee, where they've only sniffed contention for the first month of the regular season. Browsing his numbers with RISP (.209 AVG/.313 OBP), concern is growing within me. If ESPN weren't f***ed up, I'd be able to evaluate any trends from previous seasons. Ultimately, Williams may have bought into the hype; anxiously looking to add a player which fits his "grinder" mentality. Despite his astounding stolen base numbers, our club won't significantly improve if his low OBP and AVG continues. Maybe its just me overanalyzing, in an attempt to criticize Williams. EDIT: I realize he's not supposed to drive in runs, but the numbers are good indication of how he handles pressure. Don't get me wrong. We just traded my second favorite Sox player of all time. But I for one would like to think Podsednik's numbers would likely go up on a better team. Hopefully, on a team that is capable of winning every night, the Podsednik Adventure will rise to the top of his game. Oh well... Right now I am typing, not sure of what I am saying, just trying to stall leaving the office for fear that I might drive off the road in shock. Take Care Panama! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 Yeah but I would not have given up lee to get him, this is another KW f***-up..Lets see what scrub we can get for a pitcher as well.. The only way this makes sense They Sign Orlando Caberea and move Uribe to 2b, Then Sign a SP... Let's not bring cabrera into this alright? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WSFAN35 Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 They Sign Orlando Caberea and move Uribe to 2b, Then Sign a SP... For the love of God, please, stop it with your Cabrera banter. And take some time instead of mispelling something every time you post, just plain sloppy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurlyMan56 Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 Thanks for all of the clumsy ass plays in the OF.... The same guy that had 0 errors last year as well as 11 assists? The guy worked hard on his defense since he made the switch, and also made some brilliant plays last year. The diving catches, saved a couple hr's, turned doubles into singles. He was a great player here-no doubt. He had improved tremendously on defense. I have nothing but good things to say about Carlos Lee. Unfortunately, you have to give something to get something. Again, thanks for the memories El Caballo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bones Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 Wow, that was a lot of reading. I'll love this deal, as others have said, if KW uses the extra money to get an effective SP. I don't understand why everyone is falling in love with Carlos all the sudden, it seemed like everyone loved to rip on him when he was here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniKrush Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 Olney on SC just said something like "it may not be obvious why the Sox made this deal. It frees up some payroll which may mean another transaction is in the works" No reason to panic people Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFanForever Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 91 K's and 105 K's the last two seasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bones Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 Olney on SC just said something like "it may not be obvious why the Sox made this deal. It frees up some payroll which may mean another transaction is in the works" No reason to panic people Yeah, I saw that too. They talked about possibly getting RJ or Vasquez but said that was unlikely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurlyMan56 Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 Uh oh....Where is Heather Lee? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Beast Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 I don't really like Perez. I'd much rather have Clement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 I HIGHLY doubt KW is going sit on the added payroll we just got back. Im giving this trade at least two weeks before we really evaluate it. I'm assuming he talked to JR and said, I got a guy in mind for SP and I want to make this deal that will give us some good players that will help the club and give the flexibility to make this deal. But if for whatever reason I go over budget by 2-3 mill will it be alright? Thats how I'm assuming the talks went. If they go for Clement then thats probably the offseason. If they go for Perez, I think the Sox make one more signing following non-tenders. At the same time Kenny could wait for non-tenders entirely and see what starters are cut lose as well. I'm starting to get excited because with Perez or another good pickup the Sox will have one of the best pitching staffs in all of baseball. It will be combined with a strong bullpen AND rotation. The defense will be very good (good OF defense) and the infield with Crede, Uribe, Harris, and Konerko (with a potential pickup like Polanco or Ginter) will be very good defensively. We know Burke calls a good game and Davis is solid defensively. The Sox are going to be a much more dynamic team, but at the same time they should have power between Crede, Uribe, Konerko, Thomas, Dye, and Rowand. All of a sudden you have a very very good fundemental ball club. One that still has the homer power but also some speed and so so much pitching (you can never have too much pitching). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 And the two guys who were originally talked about as primary trade bait for Johnson or Vazquez are still on the team. Konerko and Garland. Interesting. Hmmmm ... Oh ... and I will not talk about which poster it was who said the Sox were interested in Scott Podsednik about two weeks ago ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thelatinoheat_30 Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 anyone know if we're sending cash to milwaukee? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 Just to add. For those that say the Sox are going to lose a lot of power. Going to make some assumptions here (I consider them conservative) Crede - 20 Uribe - 20 Konerko - 30 Thomas - 20 Dye - 25 Rowand - 20 Thats 135 homers right there. Thats between 6 players. Then you also have Scotty P who will hit 10, the catchers who combine for maybe 10 and Gload/Everett who get 10 or so. So thats 165 homers. That isn't fantastic, but lets also remember that I think thats a conservative estimate. On the high end you get more from Thomas, Dye, Uribe, Crede, and Konerko. So my guess is they hit 180 plus homers which isn't too shabby. They also will have a lot more steals with Harris, Pod, Rowand out there. The average and OBP is definately a questionmark but we'll have to see how that goes. Get me Pyrz and Perez and I'll be so so happy or Perez and Polanco or whomever. Hell get me Perez and I'll just hope for another signing after that How many of us b****ed that we wanted a team built around pitching, and defense and guys that are better fundemenatally. Well in one offseason Kenny has almost done that (still needs a good starter and I'd like to see a catcher) and the team will have a very good pitching staff, very good defense, still above average power, better speed, and probably a lesser average. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quickman Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 And the two guys who were originally talked about as primary trade bait for Johnson or Vazquez are still on the team. Konerko and Garland. Interesting. Hmmmm ... Oh ... and I will not talk about which poster it was who said the Sox were interested in Scott Podsednik about two weeks ago ... I remember that thread, didn't the board hang you up from your nads? Yea I remember now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 Jason, I never really thought about it like that. We're really going to have one of the best pitching staffs (overall, bullpen and rotation) in the league. If we get Ginter, it makes me think that this deal is good, too, because it gives us another (somewhat) power guy in the lineup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 Wow...right again Nostrodamus. From Rotoworld: From MLB: What else was i wrong about? Be nice to hear. Also i bet podsednik will be in center for 50 or more games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AddisonStSox Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 Wow Jas, Nice post, that made me like the trade just a little bit more. Fellas, don't be so quick in saying we have just dramaticly improved our pitching staff. Until two hours ago you had no idea Vizcaino existed. Be honest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 anyone know if we're sending cash to milwaukee? Nothing has been said yet, but its possible the Sox will send some cash for next season. I think this part still has to be worked out, just like the PTBNL part. I'm assuming if any it would be pretty minimal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 Until two hours ago you had no idea Vizcaino existed. Be honest. Speak for yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 Fellas, don't be so quick in saying we have just dramaticly improved our pitching staff. Until two hours ago you had no idea Vizcaino existed. Be honest. Your not speaking for me because I've watched Vizcaino pitch against the Cubs for a few years. Power pitcher with good stuff. I always wondered why he wasn't their closer and if I recall he never did too well in that role, but has been a good set-up guy for a while. I figured he wasn't going to be dealt. I did always think he was a little younger (he's actually 31). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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